Cristiano Ronaldo or Brazilian Ronaldo

[phil80]

I am specifically talking about people immediately chastising him the second he has a match during which he does not score. You know this full well. No player maintains his level for the entire season. Particularly not when they are injured at the start and have to use matches in order to get back to match fitness/sharpness. That you would make your comments in a match against a current top four Premiership side and immediately following Ronaldo playing the full game in Brazil days beforehand says it all. He had a reasonable game in the circumstances despite being kicked around the pitch. When you take all of this into account his record this season is quite good. Joint second in Premiership scoring despite missing a month and a half of football highlights this. As I said before Ronaldo is the best player in the world at the moment (it is indisputable) and when you are on top of that pedestal you always have people trying to knock you off. Sadly Ronaldo has experienced this his entire career. In the eyes of some people he can never win.
You, as usual, did not respond to the post, but decide to dwell on an obscure note referring to the Villa match. It was on an off the cuff example to portray his less than stellar impact on games since euros (and you have done exactly the same elsewhere, especially when referring to lampard). Why are you shying away from the main issue brought up, that Ronaldo has not been the best player since the beginning of euros AND he is not deserving of a spot in the all time best 11 AND he has not been the 1st, 2nd and 3rd best player in the world that he himself has claimed.

[Inter Addicted]

A disgraceful thread. A joke. The likes of C.Ronaldo will never be anywhere near Ronaldo who overshadowed the likes Baggio in Serie A once and was near Maradona in his prime. Ronaldo could have become one of the best ever. C.Ronaldo has talent but is way to one dimensional when attacking it's based on extreme speed and physical ability. He lack true technical ability and creativity (not step overs) the current top players like Ibrahimovic, Messi and Del piero have for example.

[Butcher_Pele_Platini]

I'm sorry but the a team containing "the best player" of the world does not get assraped 6-2. This thread is a joke.

Don't compare that shit on a stick to Messi or the likes of the great ones like Ronaldo, Baggio, Zico, Beckenbauer or legendary ones like Maradona, Cryuff, or Pele....

[Tribune]

I'm sorry but the a team containing "the best player" of the world does not get assraped 6-2. This thread is a joke.

Don't compare that shit on a stick to Messi or the likes of the great ones like Ronaldo, Baggio, Zico, Beckenbauer or legendary ones like Maradona, Cryuff, or Pele....

Your example is flawed. I know for instance of a game when Santos with Pele got owned in 1963 by Penarol in a 0-5 drubbing and in 1963 Pele was the best player in the world by a mile.
True that Penarol was a legendary team, while current Brazil is not even close to that, but still...

[Offlimp]

ID take O Fenomeno easily...you mancs are right...there is only one ronaldo...he wears number 9,from brasil, and will go down as one of the greatest strikers, if not the greatest of all time.

Cristiano is good though....best player right now...however..he hasn't achieved or proven anything yet. But he claims himself to be the best..


Only One Ronaldo..


Ronaldo luis Nazario de Lima


yeeeeeah

[zippy85]

A disgraceful thread. A joke. The likes of C.Ronaldo will never be anywhere near Ronaldo who overshadowed the likes Baggio in Serie A once and was near Maradona in his prime. Ronaldo could have become one of the best ever. C.Ronaldo has talent but is way to one dimensional when attacking it's based on extreme speed and physical ability. He lack true technical ability and creativity (not step overs) the current top players like Ibrahimovic, Messi and Del piero have for example.
Ronaldo is not quick and looks retarded when he trys to run fast, even Rooney has breezed him when they sprint and he is fat.

I bet thats you Bartio.

[phil80]

I disagree, his speed is one of his strengths, especially the short sprint.

[Joelzinho]

Ronaldo is not quick and looks retarded when he trys to run fast, even Rooney has breezed him when they sprint and he is fat.

I bet thats you Bartio.

Ah man you've lost it. Ronaldo and not quick shouldn't even be utilized in the same sentence unless he suffers a massive injury or is over 31....

[phishnchipz]

C. Ronaldo's first touch is a joke for a player of his supposed caliber.
C. Ronaldo is soooo awkward when he does anything at full speed.
C. Ronaldo has very little feel for the game - he never passes at the right time, even if it is to the right place.
But C. Ronaldo is one of the top 3 athletes in soccer right now, in terms of running and physique.

R9 was probably THE best athlete that soccer has seen (faster than Henry in his prime, stronger than players much bigger than him, etc.)
R9 has one of the best techniques that soccer has seen (just look at the way he strikes a ball while running compared to C. Ronaldo, not even close. And let's not even talk about comparing their touch...)
R9 had a great feel for the game, although it was a bit too Brazilian for my tastes.

[phishnchipz]

And Ronaldo did not have an average game against Aston Villa "by his standards"...he had a crap game by anyone's standards. And he always has crap games when someone physically able to cope with him marks him. When Man Utd plays Liverpool and Gerrard is in the mood for being a hero, Ronaldo is bad. When Ronaldo played against A. Cole, he was bad. And so on. I'm not saying anyone can mark him, probably < 20 people in the world right now, but when he goes up against any of them, he is almost completely useless. You can't say the same thing about someone like Messi, Robben, Ribery, etc. There's no legitimate kryptonite for players like them because they have more than one dimension to their game. If you saw Fiorentina vs Bayern, there was one pass that Ribery gave when he was double-teamed, an effortless ball to van Bommel from the sideline. This is one of the most difficult passes to make in football with the right kind of weight, not a lob, but not a drive. Ronaldo would not be able to give a ball like that because he DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE TECHNIQUE TO DO SO and would most likely have been stripped by the double team.

[phil80]

C. Ronaldo has very little feel for the game - he never passes at the right time, even if it is to the right place.
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You can't say the same thing about someone like Messi, Robben, Ribery, etc. There's no legitimate kryptonite for players like them because they have more than one dimension to their game.
agree, those players are not as one dimensional and can set up their teammates just as well as they can open up the field of play and attack defenders

[Teso Dos Bichos]

I'm not even going to bother responding to phishnchipz's cross-thread Ronaldo trolling.

[phishnchipz]

Well I guess that is great for everyone :)

[Teso Dos Bichos]

You not copying and pasting the same shite everywhere would be great for everyone. You have a reply in one of the numerous threads. Have fun finding it. When you do keep your Ronaldo related discussion there.

[phishnchipz]

I'm sorry, I will lay off Ronaldo until the world becomes a saner place.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

If you don't personally like a player for reasons of aesthetics then that is fine but don't try to use that as reasoning when objectively discussing or rating a player. If you just want to have a moan then there are appropriate threads for doing so:
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=761075

Either that or start a thread to deal with aesthetics and aesthetics alone.

[Big Soccer Member]

C. Ronaldo's first touch is a joke for a player of his supposed caliber.
C. Ronaldo is soooo awkward when he does anything at full speed.
C. Ronaldo has very little feel for the game - he never passes at the right time, even if it is to the right place.

I don't know why I should reply to such a troll, but here I go.

All three of these things are wrong. Ronaldo has a great first touch. Over the years Scholes has done many a cross field pass to him on the right wing. Every time, despite a defender being a meter away, he plucks in out of the sky and retains possesion.

Building on the first touch point, and moving onto the 'he never passes right point', Ronaldo is actually very good a first time passes right into another players path. Witness his cross for Rooney's miss against Arsenal, or his years of link up play with Evra.

Finally, awkward is not a criticism, its a style and has nothing to do with how good a player is.

[zippy85]

Ronaldo is not fast, end of, his running style hampers him.

[Bronaldo]

Ronaldo is not fast, end of, his running style hampers him.

How is he not fast?

If it was known that his running style hampered his pace, the club would have done something about it. Hell, you develop a running style from a young age, Sporting CP would have worked it out to optimize his speed a long time ago.

I don't think there is a player on United who could beat Ronaldo in a race from touch line to half

[zippy85]

I can't prove it with words, just use your eyes, zambrotta outpaced him last year, Ronaldo lost the ball and for once tries to win it back and ran back down the left flank and zambrotta matched him and a little bit more whilst dribbling the ball, you lot think i don't know football but i must look at different things whilst watching than you lot because i seem to see things you lot don't.