Cristiano Ronaldo or Brazilian Ronaldo

[zippy85]

I swear to god people make rediculous statements. What do people want from Ronaldo before he gets credited? Fly a spaceship to the moon?
Ronaldo does get credit.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Today's match is a perfect example.

You mean the one against a current top four English side who were happy to kick him around the pitch and immediately after Ronaldo played 90 minutes in Brazil? What a fair example for you to use. Notably when one of his so-called peers could not even be bothered travelling to Scotland to play a friendly. No doubt you will be back here after a fully rested Messi, playing on the Sunday no less, has fun against a bottom of the table side.

[phil80]

Would you rather I use the example against Brazil?

[Teso Dos Bichos]

You can use whatever example you wish so long as you take the relevant factors into consideration instead of simply jumping on any individual game in which Ronaldo is not at his best.

[phil80]

These were just off the cuff examples of how the current ronaldo (since coming back this season and euros) has not been up to the standard that you and other posters and even himself (saying he's 1st, 2nd, 3rd best player) have regarded him.

[Tribune]

If Ronaldo is not one of the top 3 players in the World, then your view on the game probably needs some readjustment. I will watch the Aston Villa game tonight, make a further assessment, and then return here. Messi's form so far has never been in question, I stated previously that he has been playing better so far this season.

But last season was simply a no brainer. He scored 42 goals, top scorer in his domestic league as well as in the Champions League, numerous assists, aided his team in winning the EPL and the Champions League.

I believe that what phil80 was trying to say wasn't that C.Ronaldo is NOT top 3 players in the world, but simply that his form does not live up to a hype which would make an unaware fan believe he is the second coming of Pele in his prime.
The expression "someone claiming to be the first, second, and third best player of the world." seemed intent to suggest through the use of a sarcastic analogy the uber-praise C.Ronaldo (and his some of his fans) is directing at himself, as if CR7 stands alone on the podium and all the other mere mortals must stand aside and bow.

[phil80]

Yes, i missed that post by joelzinho. What i was alluding to was the fact that ronaldo himself proclaimed he was the first, second, and third best player in the world and this statement in addition to posters claiming he would make an all time best 11 squad, was overrating his performances and influence over the year. To clairfy, i think ronaldo was probably the most productive player this year and would deserve the player of the year (as would messi).

So bottom line, i did not say he was not one of the best three players in the world, in contrast, he would desere player of the year. But this season and during euros, he has not lived up to the praise posters on here and comments that he himself makes about his influence on the game.

[Dr. Know]

Notably when one of his so-called peers could not even be bothered travelling to Scotland to play a friendly.

The only reason Messi didn't play that game was because the AFA and Barcelona made a deal that Messi won't play friendlies for a while as long as Barcelona let him play in the Olympics.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

I am fully aware of that but the reasoning is an irrelevance.

[Dr. Know]

Well you say that he couldn't be bothered playing in the friendly. It wasn't his choice.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

There was nothing preventing him from playing had he wanted to but, as I said previously, the reasoning is irrelevant. Since Messi missed Barca's latest match as well the fundamental point I was making is moot. Suffice to say I would not have been whining about Messi in a game against one of the better sides in the league and immediately after he had played 90 mins in Brazil. It is unrealistic to expect a stunning performance in those circumstances. The fact that people tried to do likewise for Ronaldo is disappointing but we unfortunately have to expect shite like that from the haters. It seems that if Ronaldo does not score or has an average, by his standards, game then everyone is out in force to chastise him. I guess that is what happens when you are firmly atop the best player in the world pedestal.

[Dr. Know]

There was nothing preventing him from playing had he wanted to

Of course there was. You can't play if the coach doesn't call you up. Maradona specifically said he wasn't going to call up Messi honoring the deal made with Barcelona. Stop trying to act as if Messi intentionally decided not to play the friendly.

[Kulspruta]

Robinho played for almost 90 minutes in Brazil and still managed to score 2 (one incorrectly disallowed) goals against Arsenal.

-- Ah, but Arsenal didn't have it's best players on the pitch!
-- Robinho plays alongside Darius Vassel and Benjani.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Of course there was. You can't play if the coach doesn't call you up. Maradona specifically said he wasn't going to call up Messi honoring the deal made with Barcelona. Stop trying to act as if Messi intentionally decided not to play the friendly.

If Messi wanted to play he could have played. If Maradona wanted to call up Messi he could have. For the nth time the reasoning is an irrelevance and has nothing to do with the fundamental point I was making. Do you even know what that was?

Robinho played for almost 90 minutes in Brazil and still managed to score 2 (one incorrectly disallowed) goals against Arsenal.

-- Ah, but Arsenal didn't have it's best players on the pitch!
-- Robinho plays alongside Darius Vassel and Benjani.

You can always point to exceptions here and there. It is pointless to do so because we would go round in circles. I will say the following however. Aston Villa >> Arsenal. The number of players called up and used from both Manchester clubs differ greatly, as do the respective state of their squads.

[Dr. Know]

If Messi wanted to play he could have played. If Maradona wanted to call up Messi he could have. For the nth time the reasoning is an irrelevance and has nothing to do with the fundamental point I was making. Do you even know what that was?

Maradona could have which would have lead to problems with Barcelona. It wasn't under normal circumstances and it's not as simple as you make it out to be.

Yes I know the point you were making. That still doesn't take away from the fact that your claims are wrong.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Pity they are not. Unless of course you can point to the law that prevents Messi from playing...

[phil80]

There was nothing preventing him from playing had he wanted to but, as I said previously, the reasoning is irrelevant. Since Messi missed Barca's latest match as well the fundamental point I was making is moot. Suffice to say I would not have been whining about Messi in a game against one of the better sides in the league and immediately after he had played 90 mins in Brazil. It is unrealistic to expect a stunning performance in those circumstances. The fact that people tried to do likewise for Ronaldo is disappointing but we unfortunately have to expect shite like that from the haters. It seems that if Ronaldo does not score or has an average, by his standards, game then everyone is out in force to chastise him. I guess that is what happens when you are firmly atop the best player in the world pedestal.
Here we go with Teso's fanboyism again. It is not being a hater to point out Ronaldo has not been the best player in the world since Euros, that is just the circumstance. And players have to accept criticism if posters like you include them in their all time best 11 squad and the player himself claims he is first second and third best player in the world.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

I am specifically talking about people immediately chastising him the second he has a match during which he does not score. You know this full well. No player maintains his level for the entire season. Particularly not when they are injured at the start and have to use matches in order to get back to match fitness/sharpness. That you would make your comments in a match against a current top four Premiership side and immediately following Ronaldo playing the full game in Brazil days beforehand says it all. He had a reasonable game in the circumstances despite being kicked around the pitch. When you take all of this into account his record this season is quite good. Joint second in Premiership scoring despite missing a month and a half of football highlights this. As I said before Ronaldo is the best player in the world at the moment (it is indisputable) and when you are on top of that pedestal you always have people trying to knock you off. Sadly Ronaldo has experienced this his entire career. In the eyes of some people he can never win.

[zippy85]

The fact Ronaldo has so many 'haters' as you put it the world over should tell you something.

Ronaldo of 2 years ago was a more talented player anyway.

[Joelzinho]

Ronaldo of 2 years ago was a more talented player anyway.

:rolleyes: