Cristiano Ronaldo or Brazilian Ronaldo

[MavadoDribblez]

^^^ I agree with your statements, but personally, I think a midfeilder who can score at C. Ronaldos rate is more rare than a striker who can.

I think that its a hard comparison for sure. While a midfielder scoring at C Ronaldo's rate is hard to find....the Brazillian Ronaldo was scoring more than anyone on the planet at his height (even Wilt Chamberlain :rolleyes:). Not only is Ronaldo a multiple WC winner (although he didn't play a prominent role in '94), but he holds the record for most goals in WC play all-time. Not to mention being a European Cup Winner.
C Ronaldo is just starting and is a great talent, but for now, its hands down the Original Ronaldo. One phenomenal season doesn't mean much against years and years of great work.

[mak9]

who's better.......what a stupid comparison

lets just put it this way...........Ronaldo at age 17 won the world cup, at age 22 helped his team reach the final again only to lose cause of his convolution, and at age 26 wins the world cup again with him scoring 8 goals in 7 matches.

lets see if C. Ronaldo can win a world cup when he's 26 with the same coach.

[Spartak]

I think that its a hard comparison for sure. While a midfielder scoring at C Ronaldo's rate is hard to find....the Brazillian Ronaldo was scoring more than anyone on the planet at his height (even Wilt Chamberlain :rolleyes:). Not only is Ronaldo a multiple WC winner (although he didn't play a prominent role in '94), but he holds the record for most goals in WC play all-time. Not to mention being a European Cup Winner.
C Ronaldo is just starting and is a great talent, but for now, its hands down the Original Ronaldo. One phenomenal season doesn't mean much against years and years of great work.
He never won a European Cup. Besides the injuries the one black mark on Ronaldo's resume is his relatively empty trophy cabinet at club level. He has played for some of the biggest clubs in the world and all he has to show for it is 1 league title with Real and a UEFA Cup with Inter. For all his talents(which few can compare) he wasn't able to lift his clubs to great success. However, with Brazil it was a different story...

[mak9]

He never won a European Cup. Besides the injuries the one black mark on Ronaldo's resume is his relatively empty trophy cabinet at club level. He has played for some of the biggest clubs in the world and all he has to show for it is 1 league title with Real and a UEFA Cup with Inter. Fo all his talents(which few can compare) he wasn't able to lift his clubs to great success. However, with Brazil it was a different story...

he had like 4 trophey's with barca......btw with Inter he could of won the league if there weren't refereeing issues against Juventus, with PSV he won a couple trophys there

[Spartak]

he had like 4 trophey's with barca......btw with Inter he could of won the league if there weren't refereeing issues against Juventus, with PSV he won a couple trophys there
I'm talking about major trophies. Few would consider the Copa del Rey, Dutch Cup, or UEFA Cup major trophies. For someone that played for Milan, Inter, Real, Barca, and PSV during the past 14 years it's somewhat staggering that he only won 1 league title and never played in a CL final.

[MavadoDribblez]

He never won a European Cup. Besides the injuries the one black mark on Ronaldo's resume is his relatively empty trophy cabinet at club level. He has played for some of the biggest clubs in the world and all he has to show for it is 1 league title with Real and a UEFA Cup with Inter. For all his talents(which few can compare) he wasn't able to lift his clubs to great success. However, with Brazil it was a different story...

My bad, I stand corrected, although I thought European Cups were either UEFA Cups or CL trophies.

[vietnamredstar]

Neither. Jon Stead is far superior than the both, in every way.

[Hyuuga Neji]

Neither. Jon Stead is far superior than the both, in every way.
Jon Stead isn't fit to clean Ronaldo's boots, talent wise. sorry.

[vietnamredstar]

Jon Stead isn't fit to clean Ronaldo's boots, talent wise. sorry.

I disagree. Stead is quality.

Ok, you're right. <_<

[Kazuma]

Comparing the two is absolutely hilarious. One is possibly at the end of his career while the other is simply warming up. But it's Ronaldo. Scoring goals at a rate like his is phenomenal, and even with Milan (9 in 16 games) he is still good. Give Cristiano time.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

I find it interesting that numerous people correctly mention Ronaldo's superb scoring record as a striker but fail to recognise Cristiano Ronaldo's superb scoring record from the wing, which is unparalleled.

[Hyuuga Neji]

I find it interesting that numerous people correctly mention Ronaldo's superb scoring record as a striker but fail to recognise Cristiano Ronaldo's superb scoring record from the wing, which is unparalleled.
Don't get me wrong, C. Ronaldo is an amazing player. But Ronaldo was the most talented striker of the last decade. C. Ronaldo has only been one of the best players in the world for just over a year.

[Excape Goat]

Comparing the two is absolutely hilarious. One is possibly at the end of his career while the other is simply warming up. But it's Ronaldo. Scoring goals at a rate like his is phenomenal, and even with Milan (9 in 16 games) he is still good. Give Cristiano time.

You are right. Even when he became the overweight "Ronaldo", he was scoring goals left and right.

[lanman]

... but fail to recognise Cristiano Ronaldo's superb scoring record from the wing, which is unparalleled.

Over what period? His record this season is truly outstanding, but there are a number of wingers who have had similar or better career records (Ronaldo is currently at 59 in 177). Not a huge amount, but enough that it is not unparralleled unless you are simply taking this season into account.

[Sampe]

Besides the injuries the one black mark on Ronaldo's resume is his relatively empty trophy cabinet at club level. He has played for some of the biggest clubs in the world and all he has to show for it is 1 league title with Real and a UEFA Cup with Inter. For all his talents(which few can compare) he wasn't able to lift his clubs to great success. However, with Brazil it was a different story...

Ronaldo did help both Barcelona and Inter improve their record in his debut seasons, though. Barcelona had a goal difference of 102-48 with Ronaldo compared to previous seasons' 72-39 without him, while Inter's numbers were 62-27 vs. 51-35. Both teams collected 10 points more and finished one spot higher with Ronaldo.

But on the other hand, I think Ronaldo's impact in international football falls a bit short of what's been advertised. Despite the impressive numbers, his performance in the '98 World Cup was nowhere near his club form from what I can remember and the man lost the ball almost every time he went on a run. In 2002 he played well but was still outplayed by Rivaldo and in 2006 he looked like a mere shadow of his former self. His resume is definitely far superior to Cristiano Ronaldo at this point, but not something I would expect from a player who was supposed to be the best ever in the late 90s.

[MavadoDribblez]

Ronaldo did help both Barcelona and Inter improve their record in his debut seasons, though. Barcelona had a goal difference of 102-48 with Ronaldo compared to previous seasons' 72-39 without him, while Inter's numbers were 62-27 vs. 51-35. Both teams collected 10 points more and finished one spot higher with Ronaldo.

But on the other hand, I think Ronaldo's impact in international football falls a bit short of what's been advertised. Despite the impressive numbers, his performance in the '98 World Cup was nowhere near his club form from what I can remember and the man lost the ball almost every time he went on a run. In 2002 he played well but was still outplayed by Rivaldo and in 2006 he looked like a mere shadow of his former self. His resume is definitely far superior to Cristiano Ronaldo at this point, but not something I would expect from a player who was supposed to be the best ever in the late 90s.

I don't know if losing the ball every time he went on a run is being fair. He scored goals and created opportunities. That's what strikers are supposed to do. Brazil would not have made the finals without him in 1998. His goal against the Dutch in the semi-finals displayed the explosiveness of his pace (scored pretty much in the opening minutes of the second half).
On what grounds are you claiming Rivaldo outplayed him? They both played very well in 2002....and Ronaldo scored 8 goals, again doing what a striker is supposed to do.
Of course in the last WC, he was overweight, and took a lot of abuse, but what does that say about the world class defenses if he still scored 3 goals? Including the one against Ghana, where he did a fair bit of running.
I think that you could find more flaws with him at the club level in European tournaments than you can internationally. I don't mean to come across so critical, but I think most people will argue that his service to his country was much better than his service to any club (save, for his ridiculous scoring exploits at Barcelona :eek:).

[Sampe]

I don't know if losing the ball every time he went on a run is being fair. He scored goals and created opportunities. That's what strikers are supposed to do. Brazil would not have made the finals without him in 1998. His goal against the Dutch in the semi-finals displayed the explosiveness of his pace (scored pretty much in the opening minutes of the second half).
On what grounds are you claiming Rivaldo outplayed him? They both played very well in 2002....and Ronaldo scored 8 goals, again doing what a striker is supposed to do.
Of course in the last WC, he was overweight, and took a lot of abuse, but what does that say about the world class defenses if he still scored 3 goals? Including the one against Ghana, where he did a fair bit of running.
I think that you could find more flaws with him at the club level in European tournaments than you can internationally. I don't mean to come across so critical, but I think most people will argue that his service to his country was much better than his service to any club (save, for his ridiculous scoring exploits at Barcelona :eek:).

I won't argue with the suggestion that his international career is superior to his club career. I just think that it's a bit overrated in relation to it. Compared to his club form roughly at the time of those World Cups, I'd say that his 2002 performance was clearly better than anything he did for Real Madrid (and he was world class for Real for several seasons), but while his level of play in the first 6 games of the '98 World Cup was even greater it failed to meet the standards he had set in club football in '96-97 and '97-98 IMO.

As for Rivaldo being better than Ronaldo in '02, I admit that it's arguable. Rivaldo combined goals with decisive passes and was at least as instrumental as Ronaldo in the games that mattered.

And finally on Cristiano Ronaldo: he's now had two outstanding seasons, collecting 52 goals and 24 assists (according to Wikipedia) in his last 86 games for United. Those are insane numbers for a midfielder, even if his playing style is quite unique. The only question mark remaining is his performance in the big games, but other than that he's already proven himself.

[MavadoDribblez]

I won't argue with the suggestion that his international career is superior to his club career. I just think that it's a bit overrated in relation to it. Compared to his club form roughly at the time of those World Cups, I'd say that his 2002 performance was clearly better than anything he did for Real Madrid (and he was world class for Real for several seasons), but while his level of play in the first 6 games of the '98 World Cup was even greater it failed to meet the standards he had set in club football in '96-97 and '97-98 IMO.

As for Rivaldo being better than Ronaldo in '02, I admit that it's arguable. Rivaldo combined goals with decisive passes and was at least as instrumental as Ronaldo in the games that mattered.

And finally on Cristiano Ronaldo: he's now had two outstanding seasons, collecting 52 goals and 24 assists (according to Wikipedia) in his last 86 games for United. Those are insane numbers for a midfielder, even if his playing style is quite unique. The only question mark remaining is his performance in the big games, but other than that he's already proven himself.

You make valid points, I just think that he's not overrated for his international exploits. Whether or not Rivaldo was better than him in the 2002 World Cup, shouldn't make Ronaldo's international career less astonishing. Yes, he was surrounded by another elite player, and that may have made it easier for him, but he still had to score. I guess we could go back and forth but we'll leave it at that :cool:
As for Christiano Ronaldo, he's still young I think this thread was a few years too early (if not a decade too early).

[phonecardlinks]

Right! Two players of different ages and abilities..
If CR7 can be the #1 Fifa Player of the Year for more than what Ronaldo had received, then he will be better than Brazilian Ronaldo. That will happen if CR7 will be the age of Ronaldo. I do hope.

My choice: Brazilian Ronaldo

[Teso Dos Bichos]

What is it with newbies basing everything on awards and dodgy ones at that? :confused: