Cristiano Ronaldo or Brazilian Ronaldo

[TKORL]

Less analytical but - I personally think Cronaldo deserves the second best player in the world tag, and quite legitimately to some people he is the very best. With that said, I don't think opposition teams fear him nearly as much as they did Ronaldo. He's well respected and well marked but he's not "scary". The only player I can think of that's "scary" is Messi.

[erick]

Less analytical but - I personally think Cronaldo deserves the second best player in the world tag, and quite legitimately to some people he is the very best. With that said, I don't think opposition teams fear him nearly as much as they did Ronaldo. He's well respected and well marked but he's not "scary". The only player I can think of that's "scary" is Messi.

shud i start my messi posting???

nah

[O Fenômeno]

Please..Cristiano isn't any worst than most of the players today in the diving category...

Today most players dive....cristiano has stopped that WC 06 jumping up in the air, landing on his knee on purpose then rolling around crap...cristiano like pretty much all players today besides the "gritty english lads :rolleyes:" overexaggerate. Meaning they get nipped on, and then fall and roll over..Drogba goes overboad and has the arms up in the air liek he getting stuck up...

[TKORL]

shud i start my messi posting???

nah
What does Messi have to do with this?

[Mysterious]

What does Messi have to do with this?

You said Messi is "scary" C. Ronaldo is not.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Less analytical but - I personally think Cronaldo deserves the second best player in the world tag, and quite legitimately to some people he is the very best. With that said, I don't think opposition teams fear him nearly as much as they did Ronaldo. He's well respected and well marked but he's not "scary". The only player I can think of that's "scary" is Messi.

I would disagree and here is my reasoning. Cristiano is always marked by multiple opponents who are quite happy to foul him if required. However he is a complete attacking player in that he can hurt you in numerous different ways and from numerous different positions. You cannot say the same, certainly not to the same extent, of old Ronaldo or even Messi. Both are very, very good but they are less complete and therefore more linear in their play. You know what they are going to do and that gives you a chance to stop them. You will probably still fail but you know what is coming and it makes it slightly easier on the defender. Cristiano is scary because you cannot do similar.

[TKORL]

I wouldn't say CRonaldo is more complete, but just a much more lethal goalscorer from a deep position. Tight marking also gives him a lot of scope for assists as defenders will be dragged out of position when he has the ball.

Actually I would argue that due to their superior skills in running wiht the ball, Messi and Ronaldo were much more unpredictable.


Not to say Cronaldo doesn't deserve his plaudits, but his main attribute is that he's the world's premier goalscorer and not a striker, but as a wing forward. (Frankly we've seen this talent in Totti before who's also not a striker.)
But to those who get into the argument with the reasoning that since he's the world's best goalscorer, he's also automatically the world's best player is . Why not the world's best passer as the best player? The best player in recovering the ball in midfield? The best shot stopper?

So I personally think the best player in the world is Xavi.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

I fail to see how anyone could claim that Ronaldo is not more complete. Goals are merely one facet of his game but even if you look at those he can hit them with either foot, his head, from all sorts of range, from freekicks... It is why he is so dangerous, so exceptional and so coveted. Attacking players who can do it all are few and far between.

[phil80]

I would disagree and here is my reasoning. Cristiano is always marked by multiple opponents who are quite happy to foul him if required. However he is a complete attacking player in that he can hurt you in numerous different ways and from numerous different positions. You cannot say the same, certainly not to the same extent, of old Ronaldo or even Messi. Both are very, very good but they are less complete and therefore more linear in their play. You know what they are going to do and that gives you a chance to stop them. You will probably still fail but you know what is coming and it makes it slightly easier on the defender. Cristiano is scary because you cannot do similar.
Simple logic...a player that takes defenders on, scores goals, opens up play, has superior vision and passing and has played decently well in the CAM role is not linear. If anything it is Ronaldo who is linear, he is constantly in attack mode and seldomly hurts a team with a splitting pass. That is not a slight at him, a player can be linear and still be considered the best, but your categorization of the players is way off.

[phil80]

It is why he is so dangerous, so exceptional and so coveted. .

I guess the fanboyism is out in full force tonight.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Simple logic...a player that takes defenders on, scores goals, opens up play, has superior vision and passing and has played decently well in the CAM role is not linear. If anything it is Ronaldo who is linear, he is constantly in attack mode and seldomly hurts a team with a splitting pass. That is not a slight at him, a player can be linear and still be considered the best, but your categorization of the players is way off.

You clearly know nothing of Cristiano Ronaldo. Why do you continue to post on the topic? Perhaps your time would be better invested by increasing your shaky knowledge in this area.

I guess the fanboyism is out in full force tonight.

You cannot dispute what I posted.

[lionmessi]

You clearly know nothing of Cristiano Ronaldo. Why do you continue to post on the topic? Perhaps your time would be better invested by increasing your shaky knowledge in this area.



You cannot dispute what I posted.

listen cockface..you are the most vile cumstain I've ever encountered on this forum. You monopolize every thread you come across with some half arsed one liner that wouldn't qualify for the Joe Longthorne show and then present yourself like you are the King of comedy on American prime time. You epitomize most of what I detest about the internet...opinions formed at the drop of a hat....petty jokes at the expense of others with no thought for their feelings and most of all the self absorbing egotistical self correction of spelling that really points out to every other poster that the highlight of your day is a wank to "big tit weekly". You dont have the friends here you perceive yourself to have and have the intellect of a gnat and the culmanation of this sceario will be your demise in a slow and agonising manner. Be warned.

[phil80]

You clearly know nothing of Cristiano Ronaldo. .

I do know one thing. Anyone who puts Ronaldo in an ALL-TIME best 11 list, like you have done, is screaming out desperate naive fanboyism. Plain and simple, try again teso

[Teso Dos Bichos]

listen cockface..you are the most vile cumstain I've ever encountered on this forum. You monopolize every thread you come across with some half arsed one liner that wouldn't qualify for the Joe Longthorne show and then present yourself like you are the King of comedy on American prime time. You epitomize most of what I detest about the internet...opinions formed at the drop of a hat....petty jokes at the expense of others with no thought for their feelings and most of all the self absorbing egotistical self correction of spelling that really points out to every other poster that the highlight of your day is a wank to "big tit weekly". You dont have the friends here you perceive yourself to have and have the intellect of a gnat and the culmanation of this sceario will be your demise in a slow and agonising manner. Be warned.

Grow a pair or eat a bullet. Your choice.

I do know one thing. Anyone who puts Ronaldo in an ALL-TIME best 11 list, like you have done, is screaming out desperate naive fanboyism. Plain and simple, try again teso

Try reading for once.

[phil80]

Try reading for once.
Yup, I have read your ridiculous all time 11 with CRonaldo. You fail, plain and simple.

[DaveyGorgeous]

I havent re-read some of the numerous previous pages of posts, so my response may have already been mentioned, but to me Cristiano Ronaldo is undoubtedly one of the best players in the world at the moment, if not the best. He is still young and has much, much more to offer to the game. However, Cristiano plays more of a wing role but has had great success in scoring goals though he is not an out-and-out striker. To compare him to Ronaldo would be unfair because the two play much different roles.

If I had to compare which is better, undoubtedly the answer is Brazilian Ronaldo. His achievements, shown in statistics alone, would make it hard to argue he is not one of the best strikers in the modern game. And, he can surely rival those of history. I couldnt find a more complete, accurate source, but these are his statistics of goals scored in club and national team, courtesy of wikipedia:

Years Club App (Gls)
1993–1994 Cruzeiro 32 (34)
1994–1996 PSV Eindhoven 46 (42)
1996–1997 Barcelona 37 (34)
1997–2002 Internazionale 68 (49)
2002–2007 Real Madrid 127 (83)
2007–2008 A.C. Milan 20 (9)

National team
1994–2006 Brazil 97 (62)

[Pekerman]

You clearly know nothing of Cristiano Ronaldo. Why do you continue to post on the topic? Perhaps your time would be better invested by increasing your shaky knowledge in this area.

You cannot dispute what I posted.


Well you clearly don't know anything about la liga or Messi, doesn't prevent you from opening your mouth now does it ? Learn about football...you know by actually watching games and get a life.

[mak9]

here is ronaldo's comments on kaka, cristiano ronaldo and about the FPY

“Kaká is the most complete footballer in the game today,” says Ronaldo of his former AC Milan team-mate. He is fast, quick, tall, skillful, scores goals and also does a defensive job.

“He's not the type of player who does tricks, but, without dribbling past the defender, he is able to create space for himself to shoot, and he can also win out when it comes to a battle of speed.

“He has good timing on the ball and sees clearly how to find the best solutions.

“Cristiano Ronaldo is excellent as well, and he has got even better since he started playing in a more advanced position, but I prefer Kaká.

“He is more decisive – he will never spend time down the flank unecessarily, trying to dribble past three players before delivering a cross.”

http://www.fobazo.com/en/latest_news.asp?AjrDcmntId=5240

[ChelseaForTheCup(s)]

Yeah, but a footballing legend clearly has no idea what he's talking about.

Let's leave it to the experts, like Teso. :rolleyes:

The line you underlined is a perfect example of the 2006 WC. Time and time again, I would see Cristiano sprint down the flank, trying to beat his marker, wasting so much time on the ball, letting the move either break down, or having the 2nd or 3rd defender either clear it or foul him.

To his credit, he played far more intelligently at Euro, but Fergie encourages his style of simply running at people and playing incredibly selfish football. But hey...it works I guess.

[Tribune]

You cannot dispute what I posted.

I can.


However he is a complete attacking player in that he can hurt you in numerous different ways and from numerous different positions. You cannot say the same, certainly not to the same extent, of old Ronaldo or even Messi

Cristiano Ronaldo being more complete is completely irellevant if those players, while more one-dimensional, are significantly ahead of him in several fundamental areas. Being more complete does not automatically equate being better than your rivals. You can have more weapons in your arsenal than your competitors, but them, on the other hand, while having less, can have sharper ones. That's why only Pele and (in some rare instances) Di Stefano/Cruyff are argued to have been better than Maradona, although there have been many more players more complete than Diego. Ruud Gullit, for instance, was also more complete and could have hurt you in more numerous ways than Maradona, yet you are not going to hear anyone claiming that Gullit was better.



Both are very, very good but they are less complete and therefore more linear in their play. You know what they are going to do and that gives you a chance to stop them. You will probably still fail but you know what is coming and it makes it slightly easier on the defender. Cristiano is scary because you cannot do similar.




I find this statement highly ironic since it's Cristiano Ronaldo who was stopped more often that the other two when confronted with his actual peers. He scored a goal there and then, he did ok on several occasions, but at no single moment did he looked truly unplayable when he faced the elite of world's football.
His goal tally is extremely misleading because it suggests a progress to an extent which does not exist in reality. While his goal-tally increased almost four times, his improvement ability-wise is not even close to that and this can be easily deducted from the way he performs against the best teams in the world, which has changed little since 2004-2006. Every time when someone wanted to point out Ronaldo's best performances against the elite, the outcome was an amalgam of games from 2004 until now, which tells the whole story and his best is considered by many the game vs Arsenal from 2005 in the FA cup, almost 2 years before he started to steal the highlights with his current run of form.

And, Teso, before starting to tell me how C.Ronaldo scored against certain big teams, here is what I call "big game performance" :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga2HWOJSM50

When C.Ronaldo does something similar against Liverpool or Arsenal, then we shall talk. "Big game performance" does not mean just scoring a goal or simply doing OK.
Ronaldo (the brazilian) has a similar one in 1996 against the same Valencia, but I couldn't find a link.