Cristiano Ronaldo or Brazilian Ronaldo

[Antonio81]

I agree he has been exceptional and is probably among the best in the world now, if not the best. But he is still a young player who hasn´t even reached his peak, and it makes little sense to compare him to an accomplished legend. And using the logic that he was a top scorer from the wing position is akin to claiming that Jairzinho(who managed to score in every single World Cup game in 1970, a feat still unmatched) was greater than Pele simply because he scored less as a foward. And none of what I was about Ronaldo was incorrect.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Except people are comparing CR7 with peak, by that I mean Barcelona, R9. The time frames are comparable.

[ChelseaForTheCup(s)]

Whatever the case, Cronaldo is hardly a player that can be respected. The laughing stock of everyone that's not hanging on his balls. His incessant whining, his ridiculous diving. That's what I will always remember him for, as well as many many other people.

The real Ronaldo, was, or still is, a national hero, and a high performer season after season for whatever team he would be playing for. He's a World Cup legend.

[Joelzinho]

Whatever the case, Cronaldo is hardly a player that can be respected. The laughing stock of everyone that's not hanging on his balls. His incessant whining, his ridiculous diving. That's what I will always remember him for, as well as many many other people.


:rolleyes:

How will you remember Drogba?

[krassi007]

brazilian ronaldo and cristiano ronaldo are my favorite players, CR is in better shape right now, but BRazilian Ronaldo still has potential he is not as old as people think

[ChelseaForTheCup(s)]

:rolleyes:

How will you remember Drogba?

As a bitchy, yet extremely talented person.

[Antonio81]

Whatever the case, Cronaldo is hardly a player that can be respected. The laughing stock of everyone that's not hanging on his balls. His incessant whining, his ridiculous diving. That's what I will always remember him for, as well as many many other people.

The real Ronaldo, was, or still is, a national hero, and a high performer season after season for whatever team he would be playing for. He's a World Cup legend.
I agree with everything about CRonaldo but you´re acting like the Brazilian Ronaldo doesn´t have issues too.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

As a bitchy, yet extremely talented person.

You missed out several key words there. Say whatever shite you want about Ronaldo but Drogba is far, far, far worse.

Whatever the case, Cronaldo is hardly a player that can be respected. The laughing stock of everyone that's not hanging on his balls. His incessant whining, his ridiculous diving. That's what I will always remember him for, as well as many many other people.

Utter rubbish, particularly if your rant was because of the Bolton game.

[Joelzinho]

You missed out several key words there. Say whatever shite you want about Ronaldo but Drogba is far, far, far worse.



Not really, they are the same.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Nope. Drogba leads the way. He also shows no sign of stopping.

[ChelseaForTheCup(s)]

Drogba isn't really know for completely unnecessary no-contact falldowns.

Cronaldo is able to do it consistently.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Glad to see you highlight you know neither player.

[Hyuuga Neji]

Nope. Drogba leads the way. He also shows no sign of stopping.
Cronaldo dives more often than Drogba, and he is more likely to be rewarded by the referee because, frankly, he is far better at it.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Drogba being out injured has clouded your opinion.

[novastar400]

Drogba being out injured has clouded your opinion.

Actually, I think it hasn't... There's no doubt that Drogba is a diver and does it quite often... It is a little disappointing from such a powerful player to resort to such tactics... But, Ronaldo I must say is a much more accomplished diver... He's been doing it for a while and sells his dives much better... I've watched him in games Teso and seen him go down only to see the replay and see that he was actually going down before there was any contact... Or how about those situations in which he went down when there was no contact at all??? I watch him play too Teso so don't tell me my eyes are deceiving me... C. Ronaldo is a fantastic player who might not have even reached his peak, but we are comparing him to Ronaldo... We can only speculate as to where he would have gone had he not sustained any injuries which seriously altered the outcome of his career... I say that because if we did compare them from 19-22 there would be no comparison... But comparing them after that is the problem... It is a problem because C. Ronaldo has been brilliant for the last couple of seasons... And based on the famed statistics, who knows what Ronaldo would've done in that time... At the end of the day, it comes down to our own subjective preference of the players... I'm willing to give C. Ronaldo his props and admit that he is one of the world's best(personally I don't feel he is the world's best atm), but my own subjective belief is that Ronaldo was one of a kind who, if he had not been injured, would've permanently cemented his place in the top 5 of players who have ever played the game... If C. Ronaldo leads Portugal to a World Cup victory, I think this would definitely warrant him serious consideration as the real Ronaldo...

[akindele12]

My opinion on Cristiano, I think he's a very good player, but also vastly overrated. Yes he had a great season, but in my opinion that had a lot more to do with the system that Man U played last season, which gave him the license to play as he wanted. Most of those goals he scored were strikers goals, i.e. he just happen to be the player at the end of the final pass. I'm not taking anything away from him, but we all saw in the Euros when he was playing in more traditional set up with Portugal where he didn't have the freedom to roam around and he was basically a wide player, and for most part he got shut down. As good as he is, he can get taken out of games too easily, we've seen it time after time, Man U or Portugal go up against a team with athletic and fast defenders, you can pretty much expect him to be invisible.

Yes very good player, but in my opinion even with his performance last season I still don't think he's the best attacking player in the world, becomes easily invisible against top level opponents.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Actually, I think it hasn't... There's no doubt that Drogba is a diver and does it quite often... It is a little disappointing from such a powerful player to resort to such tactics... But, Ronaldo I must say is a much more accomplished diver... He's been doing it for a while and sells his dives much better... I've watched him in games Teso and seen him go down only to see the replay and see that he was actually going down before there was any contact... Or how about those situations in which he went down when there was no contact at all??? I watch him play too Teso so don't tell me my eyes are deceiving me... C. Ronaldo is a fantastic player who might not have even reached his peak, but we are comparing him to Ronaldo... We can only speculate as to where he would have gone had he not sustained any injuries which seriously altered the outcome of his career... I say that because if we did compare them from 19-22 there would be no comparison... But comparing them after that is the problem... It is a problem because C. Ronaldo has been brilliant for the last couple of seasons... And based on the famed statistics, who knows what Ronaldo would've done in that time... At the end of the day, it comes down to our own subjective preference of the players... I'm willing to give C. Ronaldo his props and admit that he is one of the world's best(personally I don't feel he is the world's best atm), but my own subjective belief is that Ronaldo was one of a kind who, if he had not been injured, would've permanently cemented his place in the top 5 of players who have ever played the game... If C. Ronaldo leads Portugal to a World Cup victory, I think this would definitely warrant him serious consideration as the real Ronaldo...

Ronaldo is one of the most fouled players around. When he first started out (and was not as developed physically) a lot of his dives were self-preservation. He then went through a phase of getting nothing as a direct result, which perversely forced him to make the most of contract to highlight the foul. Since he has matured (both mentally and physically) he has cut an awful lot of it out. Unfortunately the diving tag has stuck and even when he is fouled or the referee makes a mistake he is the one being blamed regardless. The second he goes down people think dive which is prejudice and nothing more. Contrast him to someone like Gerrard who dives and completely gets away with it. Contrast him to Drogba who goes down for fun and continues to do so despite his age. You don't even need to tackle him. It's a key difference.

Getting back to the Ronaldo comparisons you need to remember that Brazilian Ronaldo is remember for his brief spell pre-injury. The time frame for that and what Cristiano has done is directly comparable. You also need to look at the figures involved and their positioning. It's a lot easier and fairer to compare than most think. In your defense of Ronaldo you have falled into the 'what-if' trap. You need to put that to one side and compare like for like. Asking Ronaldo to lead Portugal to something is wrong because it depends entirely on the team, not the individual.

My opinion on Cristiano, I think he's a very good player, but also vastly overrated. Yes he had a great season, but in my opinion that had a lot more to do with the system that Man U played last season, which gave him the license to play as he wanted. Most of those goals he scored were strikers goals, i.e. he just happen to be the player at the end of the final pass. I'm not taking anything away from him, but we all saw in the Euros when he was playing in more traditional set up with Portugal where he didn't have the freedom to roam around and he was basically a wide player, and for most part he got shut down. As good as he is, he can get taken out of games too easily, we've seen it time after time, Man U or Portugal go up against a team with athletic and fast defenders, you can pretty much expect him to be invisible.

Yes very good player, but in my opinion even with his performance last season I still don't think he's the best attacking player in the world, becomes easily invisible against top level opponents.

I can only assume that you failed to read the thread before posting.

Ronaldo is still underrated which is a strange thing to say about the best player in the world. Your claim that he merely had a great season is yet more proof of this. The system he was used in is an irrelevance. If you want to bring that in to the equation then I could point to when he was misused (see Barcelona twice as an example). I assume all of his freekicks were strikers goals as well? His drives from distance? His runs from deep which he finished? His back heel flick (etc)? Ronaldo is not a winger. He starts from the wing and moves inside. If he stays on the wing (as a traditional winger) then he loses a lot of his game. It also means he has been misused. Since you are an Arsenal fan consider Henry being forced to play as a left-winger and whether he would still have been so good.

If he can be taken out of games too easily then why did only two teams he faced last season at club level manage to stop him scoring? If you call that him being easily taken out of the game then what does that say about everyone else who not only failed to score at the same level but against fewer opposition? Did you even watch last season or consider the quality of teams he scored against? He's more than performed against so-called top level opposition. In the summer he was carrying an injury, playing in a flawed team and despite that was still a big factor in the majority of their goals.

[novastar400]

Ronaldo is one of the most fouled players around. When he first started out (and was not as developed physically) a lot of his dives were self-preservation. He then went through a phase of getting nothing as a direct result, which perversely forced him to make the most of contract to highlight the foul. Since he has matured (both mentally and physically) he has cut an awful lot of it out. Unfortunately the diving tag has stuck and even when he is fouled or the referee makes a mistake he is the one being blamed regardless. The second he goes down people think dive which is prejudice and nothing more. Contrast him to someone like Gerrard who dives and completely gets away with it. Contrast him to Drogba who goes down for fun and continues to do so despite his age. You don't even need to tackle him. It's a key difference.

Getting back to the Ronaldo comparisons you need to remember that Brazilian Ronaldo is remember for his brief spell pre-injury. The time frame for that and what Cristiano has done is directly comparable. You also need to look at the figures involved and their positioning. It's a lot easier and fairer to compare than most think. In your defense of Ronaldo you have falled into the 'what-if' trap. You need to put that to one side and compare like for like. Asking Ronaldo to lead Portugal to something is wrong because it depends entirely on the team, not the individual.


Okay I'll give you that he dives less frequently as opposed to earlier in his career, but he's still a diver, I'm not comparing him as a diver to Drogba and who dives more, I was simply pointing out that Drogba is a habitual diver, but C. Ronaldo still dives quite often as well... it just seemed as you were implying that C. Ronaldo isn't as much of a diver when he still is... Back to Ronaldo, I did say that based on his pre-injury form that there would be no comparison, I would consider Brazilian Ronaldo the better of the two based on his pre-injury form... And I didn't actually compare them after that because it is too speculative... Mate I'll admit C. Ronaldo is a fantastic player, top 3 no doubt, but that's as far as my praise of him will go... The reason I said that if he led Portugal to a World Cup is simply because it will probably be endless discussions of who the 'Real Ronaldo' is... And by him doing something of that nature is just a showing of how truly great of a player he really is... You are right in that it depends on the team, and not the individual, but truly great players are able to raise the level of their performances beyond that of any other player on the field... He will continue to get accolades at the club level, but he will always play for a team that will arguably be the best team in the world... I think that will always be something people will point at as a way to try and diminish his impact as a player... That's why I think his place in history will be determined on how he performs at the national team level... We aren't talking about Giggs or Best whose national teams had absolutely no chance and club was all we had to go on... Portugal have a pretty good national team and have a realistic shot at winning the big titles during C. Ronaldo's career... I'd say the same is going to apply to Messi as well and probably more than it would to C. Ronaldo...

[ChelseaForTheCup(s)]

Cristiano has put on a shameful display of diving so far this season, absolutely shameful.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Utter drivel but thanks for proving my point.