Cristiano Ronaldo or Brazilian Ronaldo

[Joelzinho]

---------------C.Ronaldo
Nani--------------------------Quaresma
---------------Deco
-------Moutinho----Petit/Veloso

Looks like a decent team to me.

Queiroz doesn't want Ronaldo up there alone, and personality, neither do I. He spends too much time off the ball that way.

You might see something like this in the future.

----------------- Djalo -----------
------- Ronaldo (free roam) -------
Nani -------------------- Quaresma
-------- Deco ----- ? ------------

[ChelseaForTheCup(s)]

Brazilian Ronaldo, any day.

He was untouchable in his prime. A real legend.

Not knocking Cristiano, but people love to talk about how he scores from his position......considering he's usually where ever the ball is, of course he's going to get more goals than the average winger.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Look at what you said about Brazilian Ronaldo and then contrast his best ever season (at his peak) to that of Ronaldo last season. It's clear the latter does not get the praise he merits.

[zippy85]

Look at what you said about Brazilian Ronaldo and then contrast his best ever season (at his peak) to that of Ronaldo last season. It's clear the latter does not get the praise he merits.
You have to take into account the leagues they were playing in, it's quite easy to score against PL teams(especially the lower ones), look at Torres, he would have never scored that many goals in La Liga.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Nonsense. Last season Ronaldo only failed to score against Man City (who he only played once in all competitions). He scored against every other Premiership team. In Europe he scored against every team he faced bar Barcelona. All of the teams he faced finished in the top two in their respective leagues bar Barcelona who finished third. If it is so easy to score against that calibre of opposition then why is no-one else doing so? He's not a striker but he has put them all to shame. My point about Brazilian Ronaldo stands and thus far no-one has been able to refute it.

[Cool Rob]

There are questions about who the best player in the world is currently, but during Ronaldo's prime (when there were arguably more world stars in the game) there was no argument. Ronaldo was the best, head and shoulders above the best, and that was that. Barring Maradonna, there had not been a footballer of that level for 20 odd years, and 10 years later, there still hasn't been. Even when Ronaldinho was at his absolute best, he was not on Ronaldo (9)'s level.

Who knows, I might be wrong and C. Ronaldo might reach those heights - but it is a seriously tall order.

This year is a big one for the sake of the Christiano arguments. My suspicion is that he is the best player in the world...in the Man U system. As long as he is flanked by no less than Rooney and Tevez, and coached by Sir Alex, he will shine. Unfortunately as everyone obviously noticed this summer, his production for Portugal was nowhere comparable. One goal at Euro 2008 isn't actually the stuff of legends. He was impressive in Euro qualifying but many of those goals came against countries you can't find on a map unless you have the deluxe Borat DVD.

Ronaldo is a seriously great player, the best at the moment, but until we get to multiple WC finals, all-time WC scoring records, all time WC win streak records... etc, any comparison with R9 is seriously premature.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Unfortunately as everyone obviously noticed this summer, his production for Portugal was nowhere comparable. One goal at Euro 2008 isn't actually the stuff of legends. He was impressive in Euro qualifying but many of those goals came against countries you can't find on a map unless you have the deluxe Borat DVD.

Despite that he was heavily involved in everything Portugal did well. They scored seven goals in total and Ronaldo was involved in five of them. He also got them there in the first place and despite what you might claim about some of the countries involved, as I stated previously, if it is so easy for players to score against them they why isn't everyone else doing it? Everything you stated above deals with scoring goals but Ronaldo is not a striker. His game is far, far more than that.

Ronaldo is a seriously great player, the best at the moment, but until we get to multiple WC finals, all-time WC scoring records, all time WC win streak records... etc, any comparison with R9 is seriously premature.

All of which has everything to do the team involved as opposed to the individual. Take the WC scoring record as the perfect example. In order for Ronaldo to finally get it Brazil had to cripple their attacking game and chances of overall success.

[Cool Rob]

[QUOTE=Teso Dos Bichos;15763382]Despite that he was heavily involved in everything Portugal did well.

Everything you stated above deals with scoring goals but Ronaldo is not a striker. His game is far, far more than that.
QUOTE]

I totally agree with you that his game is far more than that. It is amazing and last season I sat here in Chicago with my jaw dropped watching him and ManU. However, the reason I am involved in this thread is that 42 goals from a non-striker is incredible and the goals are the reason we are comparing him to the all-time greats, of which R9 is obviously a member.

About R9 and the team argument- the same holds true for Man U; Ronaldo is playing for the best, most exciting, best coached, and most innovative team in the world. His team has maximized his talent in a way that has few precedents. If C. Ronaldo keeps this up for an extended period of time he in definitely is the game.

[Kulspruta]

FFS, this is a no-brainer. Ridiculous, to speak the truth. Teso amuses me.

[pepinointer]

LUIS NAZARIO DE LIMA!!!! he was great!!

[ChelseaForTheCup(s)]

[quote=Teso Dos Bichos;15763382]Despite that he was heavily involved in everything Portugal did well.

Everything you stated above deals with scoring goals but Ronaldo is not a striker. His game is far, far more than that.
QUOTE]

I totally agree with you that his game is far more than that. It is amazing and last season I sat here in Chicago with my jaw dropped watching him and ManU. However, the reason I am involved in this thread is that 42 goals from a non-striker is incredible and the goals are the reason we are comparing him to the all-time greats, of which R9 is obviously a member.

About R9 and the team argument- the same holds true for Man U; Ronaldo is playing for the best, most exciting, best coached, and most innovative team in the world. His team has maximized his talent in a way that has few precedents. If C. Ronaldo keeps this up for an extended period of time he in definitely is the game.

Yeah, after years of being a diving ball hog, he's finally learned to do it effectively. Good for him. :rolleyes:

Ronaldo, on the other hand, was good from the get go.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Even then he was still one of the best around for his position. Whether Brazilian Ronaldo was ready from day one or not is an irrelevance.

[akindele12]

There's only one Ronaldo, and he's from Rio.

[pepinointer]

There's only one Ronaldo, and he's from Rio.

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif exactly

[Teso Dos Bichos]

There's only one Ronaldo, and he's from Rio.

He will be forgotten long before Cristiano reaches his peak years.

[pepinointer]

He will be forgotten long before Cristiano reaches his peak years.

ok, the time is going to give the reason to someone.

[Antonio81]

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif exactly

Seconded. I want to see Cristiano Ronaldo take over three World Cups, finishing highest scorer ever, and perform his stunts in La Liga and Serie A, the way Ronaldo did.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Pity what you claimed above is not true. Nor should it be applied to CR7.

[Antonio81]

Pity that people use 1 season at Manchester United to proclaim a player one of the greatest of all times. Particularly when said player played in a WC with a world-class midfield behind him, and had enough opportunities to come out on top, if he was really the greatest player.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

He has been superb for several seasons and was exceptional last season. His last season being key as he blew everyone away and delivered a consistent level of performance that none of his peers could or have ever matched in a single season. He changed the level of expectation. However what it does not change is the incorrect claims you posted above. It even extends into your subsequent post.