Seven subs idea agreed

[Father Ted]

The Premier League have announced that all 20 clubs will be allowed to name seven substitutes in matches from next season.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3118251,00.html

Good idea. Hmmm, I think I like it!

I wonder how this will effect "jack-of-all-trades" players like John O'Legend...

[Invincible]

Don't play with my emotions man. Is this true? What's up with that link. Omg I've been praying for this.

[RichardL]

Great. Another rule that helps those who can stockpile their squads, in turn making it harder for those other clubs to acquire players.

[Achtung]

Great. Another rule that helps those who can stockpile their squads, in turn making it harder for those other clubs to acquire players.

But wouldn't it also make room for more tactical managers, often found at smaller clubs, to have more flexibility later in the game? I'd think that most clubs would have more players than will normally fit on the bench (aside from the truly mismanaged ones, of course).

This could also have a positive effect on the England team, since it might give bigger clubs a chance to put young English talent onto the field if the situation arises.

[SirManchester]

But wouldn't it also make room for more tactical managers, often found at smaller clubs, to have more flexibility later in the game? I'd think that most clubs would have more players than will normally fit on the bench (aside from the truly mismanaged ones, of course).

This could also have a positive effect on the England team, since it might give bigger clubs a chance to put young English talent onto the field if the situation arises.

Sure that could benefit tactical managers often found at smaller clubs, but ultimately it also means more Essiens, Tevezs, van Persies, etc...

I can't say I agree with this too much.

[Invincible]

Oh don't be such a Debbie Downer....

Are you kidding me? This will give us a LOT more options. Now we can have a few kids on the bench with the subs. Depending on the situation we'll be ready. If we dont get any injuries, we can blood some kids. If we have injuries, we'll have backups. This is great! I can't think of anything good about having 5 subs, it's archaic in the modern game so I don't see WHY anyone would be against it.

[johno]

Great. Another rule that helps those who can stockpile their squads, in turn making it harder for those other clubs to acquire players.

Only 11 players on the field at once for both sides. This may in theory, allow for a side like United to have more top notch players on the bench, but it will also open the door for players like Pique and Simpson (at least one of them) to be on the bench in every game. That leads to more development for them as they are more likely to get playing time.

[Vermont Red]

Great new rule as it helps United. I wouldn't like it if I was a fan of a team outside of the Big Three.

[Father Ted]

I think this could hurt someone like John O'Shea. Having an extra player on the bench could allow Sir Alex to have a full back and center back e.g. O'Shea can play either role adequately when needed but Simpson is probably a better FB than O'Shea and Pique a better CB.

[sdotsom]

As a fan of United, this is great. But I can easily see how teams outside the Big 3 could be against this. We could stockpile more players who have a better chance at regular games at a midtable club, but only a few appearances a year with us. On the other hand, those few players would be taken away from midtable clubs. As a United fan, it's great, but I don't think it was totally necessary for the league as a whole.

And Father Ted is spot on. O'Shea's inability to carve out one position for himself will now bite him in the ass. We could now stock 1 GK, Simpson, Pique, Evans, Manucho, Park, and the one of Hargreaves/Carrick/Scholes/Anderson not playing.

[SirManchester]

Only 11 players on the field at once for both sides. This may in theory, allow for a side like United to have more top notch players on the bench, but it will also open the door for players like Pique and Simpson (at least one of them) to be on the bench in every game. That leads to more development for them as they are more likely to get playing time.

Teams could already have had youngsters on the bench. What makes you think this will automatically guarantee players like Pique and Simpson or even younger or more unknown players, accross all teams spots on the bench? The older system has been around and it's worked. I honestly don't think youth development was kept in mind when this was made, more like more star players.

[holytoledo]

Well seeing as the 20 teams met I assume a majority were in favor of the rule change, which means that some teams outside the big three were in favor of the rule.

I wonder if they will restrict the age of the extra two subs, ala Scotland. A requirement that the player being U-21 or U-23?

I'm glad that they've made the switch. Long overdue.

[johno]

SirM, star players don't sit on the bench.

At United, we've had Nani participate in just a handful of games this year, not because he's not talented enough, but because he lacked the experience and we wanted a more flexible/dependable player on the bench.

Even Everton have had to leave one of Anichebe and Vaughn (usually Vaughn) out of matches entirely because of space available to them.

Any team with decent management can afford 3 extra players who bring something to the squad. They might not be of the standard of Nani, Pique and Simpson, but they might be good enough to help against much of the league.

The Sunderlands, Readings and Birminghams don't play the big four all season long they've got matches against each other too.

[RichardL]

But wouldn't it also make room for more tactical managers, often found at smaller clubs, to have more flexibility later in the game?
a bit of tactical tinkering v another couple of £8 million subs?


This could also have a positive effect on the England team, since it might give bigger clubs a chance to put young English talent onto the field if the situation arises.
or it could result in more promising young players playing for 15 minutes twice a month rather than playing every week, and thinking they've "made it" as a result.

[Invincible]

Teams could already have had youngsters on the bench.
That's such a blanket statement. Teams could already have had youngsters on the bench in place of whom? Proven, dependable backup to first team players?

What makes you think this will automatically guarantee players like Pique and Simpson or even younger or more unknown players, accross all teams spots on the bench?
Because there'll be two extra spots for them?...

The older system has been around and it's worked. I honestly don't think youth development was kept in mind when this was made, more like more star players.
The old system, the old days dem dayum kids they sure don't make em like they used to! Quit yer whining.

[SirManchester]

SirM, star players don't sit on the bench.

At United, we've had Nani participate in just a handful of games this year, not because he's not talented enough, but because he lacked the experience and we wanted a more flexible/dependable player on the bench.

Even Everton have had to leave one of Anichebe and Vaughn (usually Vaughn) out of matches entirely because of space available to them.

Any team with decent management can afford 3 extra players who bring something to the squad. They might not be of the standard of Nani, Pique and Simpson, but they might be good enough to help against much of the league.

The Sunderlands, Readings and Birminghams don't play the big four all season long they've got matches against each other too.

The problem with this is, that the Premiership is experiencing an influx of star players, moreso with every passing season. Players that are stars and starters at their previous clubs come here and don't neccessarily become first team members and oftentimes spend time on the bench. Either this or already established players are pushed out of the team.

This new rule will benefit teams like United, Chelsea, and Arsenal much more, and we're already seeing a little bit of it at Chelsea if they're not injured. They have an incredible bench. Say Terry returns and plays with Carvalho. Alex is benched and will almost make it impossible for one of their youth CB's to break into the team. Even when an injury occurs to Alex, upon his return he will be ahead of the youngster again. Policies of developing youngsters in general have declined and there's less emphasis on it in the last five to six years. It's not guaranteed that this will force teams to automatically bring up their youngsters but more like encouraging them to spend more and aquire players from abroad (or in the big three's instance players from abroad and star players from within the league) and use them to fill in those extra gaps on the bench.

[SirManchester]

That's such a blanket statement. Teams could already have had youngsters on the bench in place of whom? Proven, dependable backup to first team players?

Teams ten and twenty yers ago, and even some now (but it's very rare) have developed youth with the same system. Obviously it takes a lot more to win nowdays because money virtually buys success - teams cannot afford to develop youth because it takes time, time that could be used to win trophies instead of building a strong foundation for future success. Given the direction football is headed in, I find it hard to believe that coaches will use these extra seats on the bench from young players exclusively.

[Invincible]

Teams ten and twenty yers ago, and even some now (but it's very rare) have developed youth with the same system. Obviously it takes a lot more to win nowdays because money virtually buys success - teams cannot afford to develop youth because it takes time, time that could be used to win trophies instead of building a strong foundation for future success. Given the direction football is headed in, I find it hard to believe that coaches will use these extra seats on the bench from young players exclusively.
Well that might be true for a joke club like Chelsea, but I'm thinking in terms of us, and our beliefs. We were forced to take a new direction when Chelsea showed up, now we can continue our tradition of blooding youngsters WHILE having adequate backups in case of an emergency. I love it.

[Stud83]

Great news for us, no question about it.

[Republic of Mancunia]

Awful idea.


Should've made it 11.