(BL: Week 19) FC Bayern München : SV Werder Bremen [R]

[Dead Fingers]

Will open thread AFTER midweek games.

[BayernWake]

By midweek games do you mean international friendlies?

[Dead Fingers]

Go to it!

[leisha]

As we all know, Ribery is out. Hope Kroos will fill in.

[ForeverRed]

---------------------Kahn--------------------

Sagnol---------Lucio-------Micho--------Lahm

------------MvB------------Ze Roberto-------

Sosa-------------------------------Schweiny

----------Toni----------Klose----------------

I think Ottmar will give Sosa and Bastian the starts but I'd like to see Kroos and Schlaudraff start for once.

[checkmate]

It is time for Schweni to give it his best. He was a fine LM after all. And I am hoping too, that Sosa will contribute more than he usually does.

These last 3 matches will tell the fans what is Munich capable of. Is the team all only about Ribery?I am hoping not!

[Klask]

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9572/20070818werderbayern34ox8.jpg

Lets repeat this score in favor of the home team this time :D

[ZimbabweBob]

---------------------Kahn--------------------

Sagnol---------Lucio-------Micho--------Lahm

------------MvB------------Ze Roberto-------

Sosa-------------------------------Schweiny

----------Toni----------Klose----------------

I think Ottmar will give Sosa and Bastian the starts but I'd like to see Kroos and Schlaudraff start for once.

i'd like to see schlaudraff play for once :p

he so rarely gets in


i think altintop will start over sosa though

[dzoni87]

i would like
to see:
kahn
demichelis
van buyten
lahm
sangol
ze roberto
van bommel
altintop
schweiny or kroos
toni
klose

[ForeverRed]

Most of all I am curious to see how we will click without our most important player. Bremen are a dynamic team but they've been exposed at the back moreso this season than last and Ribery would have been the perfect foil for that. We will need a big game from our wide players if we are going to win, not only because Ribery isn't playing but because he is usually the player that links up with Klose and Toni.

[BayernWake]

I'm just going to throw this out there:

If we win this game I predict we'll win the Meisterschaft.

[ForeverRed]

I'm just going to throw this out there:

If we win this game I predict we'll win the Meisterschaft.

I think I'll be more comfortable saying that if we don't lose or beat Shalke and HSV.

[raf fcb]

i'd like to see schlaudraff play for once :p

he so rarely gets in


i think altintop will start over sosa though

I believe so too, that Altintop will start.

[eissman]

---------------------Kahn--------------------

Sagnol---------Lucio-------Micho--------Lahm

------------MvB------------Ze Roberto-------

Sosa-------------------------------Schweiny

----------Toni----------Klose----------------



I think this will be the line-up for this week. I just don't see Ottmar deviating from his normal plan. However, personally, I would like to see Ze Roberto in a more creative role as he played with Santos (I mentioned this in the "Team News" thread). If so, we are limited in our options in the center, but likely Ottl woud get the nod. The midfield would more like: Sosa.....MVB.....Ottl.....Ze Roberto. Not the preferred lineup of potential 'stars' in midfield, but without Ribery, I really don't see Ottmar going on limb and attacking like we would with Franck, but rather almost playing content for a point. I hate to say that aloud, but I just see this happening.

I thing Sosa deserves the start, not Ailtontop or Kroos. Sosa proved he can at least play on the right and hold his own for 45 minutes. Perhaps he goes even longer if we keep him on one side of the pitch as opposed to switching him like last match. He is deadly on deadball service as well. Ailtontop doesn't offer us those options... he has never faired well this season starting, and seems to excel at the role of coming on the last 30 minutes... so let him own that role. Kroos simply is not ready for the big game atmosphere like this... if he was, Ottmar would have been grooming him to do so. I am not sure how people on these boards don't quite see or get that - there is no rush for Toni Kroos here, he is with us for many years to come - and to compare his situation to that of other players in his age bracket getting more playing time at smaller clubs is just ignorance at its best.

Schweini needs to step up, if he is fit and ready. I actually wouldn't mind seeing he and Ze switch roles for the match, but again, I seriously doubt Ottmar will deviate... he has proven that many times in the past.

Let go Bayern!!! Should be a cracking match!
:)

[bltleo]

I'm just going to throw this out there:

If we win this game I predict we'll win the Meisterschaft.

i hope Bayern will win...
my prediction for this game is 3 goals for Bayern..1 from Bremen..
3:1

[nekkibasara]

[Sosa] is deadly on deadball service as well. Ailtontop doesn't offer us those options...

I am pretty sure you are the only one here that thinks this about Sosa. He is every bit as bad at deadball deliveries as Schweini.

Here is what I want to see:

----------Kahn------------
Sagnol---Lucio---Demi---Lahm
------MVB---Schweini-------
Schlaudraff----------ze Roberto
-------Klose----Toni----------

Second half subs:
Altintop for Sosa
Kroos for Schweini (if we are winning comfortably)
If Jansen is fit, bring him on for Sagnol and switch sides with Lahm.

[eissman]

I am pretty sure you are the only one here that thinks this about Sosa. He is every bit as bad at deadball deliveries as Schweini.




Thinks about his dead ball ability? Or as a player in general?

Here is what I think. I think Sosa has been injured nearly all of the first half of the season. I think that given the few opportunities to play, he has shown at the least, some improvement over each match. I think that this is better than what we have seen yet at the right mid position from anyone. I think that no one really delivers a killer service for us since Scholl's departure... Kroos is talented, yes... but Sosa was the primary freekick taker at his former club and thus has some proven worth there. I think Sosa has maybe had a total equaling any number of fingers on just one hand to prove all this. I think all others in contention for the right mid spot have had either the same amount of games to prove themselves or more.

In a nutshell, as I said, the guy simply has earned another start. I don't think his service to Toni that nearly scored last match will take him off dead ball duties either.

[Dead Fingers]

Thinks about his dead ball ability? Or as a player in general?

Here is what I think. I think Sosa has been injured nearly all of the first half of the season. I think that given the few opportunities to play, he has shown at the least, some improvement over each match. I think that this is better than what we have seen yet at the right mid position from anyone. I think that no one really delivers a killer service for us since Scholl's departure... Kroos is talented, yes... but Sosa was the primary freekick taker at his former club and thus has some proven worth there. I think Sosa has maybe had a total equaling any number of fingers on just one hand to prove all this. I think all others in contention for the right mid spot have had either the same amount of games to prove themselves or more.

In a nutshell, as I said, the guy simply has earned another start. I don't think his service to Toni that nearly scored last match will take him off dead ball duties either.

Now the negatives....bad passes in the middle and slow reaction time. Simply put, and AS was said before, more time on the pitch is what is needed for him. Like a lot of players who come from other leagues/countries, it takes time to get adjusted to the game.

Funny, people mention negatives and all of a sudden..they are "bashing" players. :rolleyes:

Get a grip people. :D

[Projekt4]

Kroos simply is not ready for the big game atmosphere like this... if he was, Ottmar would have been grooming him to do so. I am not sure how people on these boards don't quite see or get that - there is no rush for Toni Kroos here, he is with us for many years to come - and to compare his situation to that of other players in his age bracket getting more playing time at smaller clubs is just ignorance at its best.


Eissman, I'm not here again to tell you who Bayern should play, but I may well have seen more of Bayern's test matches than you and it's clear to me, to former players and some journalists that Kroos is your second most dangerous offensive midfielder already. He's not the finished product, and yes, he had very serious defensive lapses again in one of the test matches, but this much we do know.

[eissman]

Eissman, I'm not here again to tell you who Bayern should play, but I may well have seen more of Bayern's test matches than you and it's clear to me, to former players and some journalists that Kroos is your second most dangerous offensive midfielder already. He's not the finished product, and yes, he had very serious defensive lapses again in one of the test matches, but this much we do know.

I do not disagree with that statement one bit... nor was I posting on Kroos... but Kroos is the future. We need the now, and now he is just not season enough. Some will say that Hitzfeld is at fault for this because he could be getting some seasoning, but I think they are simply protecting their investment and wisely... he will hopefully be the next "Scholl". :)