Let's discuss the Webster ruling and it's implications on the Bundesliga

[F96]

This section of the forums is too quiet anyway.

The ruling:
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2249715,00.html

Some first reactions:
Rummenigge expresses concern at CAS's Webster verdict (http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/181532,rummenigge-expresses-concern-at-cass-webster-verdict.html)
Angry Sepp Blatter raps Andy Webster ruling as ‘very damaging’ for game (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/scotland/article3285825.ece)

Imo the huge winner here are the players and because they will be payed more and the big clubs tbecause they often don't have to pay huge fees anymore if they are smart and of course a big wage means more money if the players leave?!

The gap between the very rich and the poor will widen even more and developing good players will not really be that profitable anymore.

Let's take Huszti. He doesn't earn much here and could leave after two or three years and 96 would only get 500.000 Euro from him. That would be really bad for us.

[Projekt4]

This section of the forums is too quiet anyway.

The ruling:
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2249715,00.html

Some first reactions:
Rummenigge expresses concern at CAS's Webster verdict (http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/181532,rummenigge-expresses-concern-at-cass-webster-verdict.html)
Angry Sepp Blatter raps Andy Webster ruling as ‘very damaging’ for game (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/scotland/article3285825.ece)

Imo the huge winner here are the players and because they will be payed more and the big clubs tbecause they often don't have to pay huge fees anymore if they are smart and of course a big wage means more money if the players leave?!

The gap between the very rich and the poor will widen even more and developing good players will not really be that profitable anymore.

Let's take Huszti. He doesn't earn much here and could leave after two or three years and 96 would only get 500.000 Euro from him. That would be really bad for us.

Difficult to foresee. On the long run it makes transfers easier for the big clubs, but on the short term it's their massive player assets which are slashed or at least put at risk.

Clubs obviously will resort to more frequent extensions of short-term contracts. The idea of buying talent earlier and earlier might disappear to some extent, which is perhaps good; big clubs shouldn't buy 17-19 year olds and then almost never give them playing time solely for having them already on long-term contracts when they are really ready to play (or to sell).

Unstructured ramblings...

The leagues might also decide to modify the rules to prevent any changes.

PS I know at least of HSV and Hoffenheim whose transfer strategy is almost completely build on the idea of buying young and cheap with at least partly a view to transfer gains. Poor guys.

[Cirdan]

The question is will that Article stay? Different to Bosman, this is based on a FIFA rule, not EU law, so the FIFA can simply rewrite that article. And since pretty much every official including Blatter stated he was horrified by that ruling, I guess that is very likely to happen.

Apart from that, it will be good for the rich clubs, who can get their players more easily, and for the players, not so good for the vast majority of clubs who will find it even harder or impossible to hold on to their players. For the Bundesliga as a whole, I think it will be problematic, since only Bayern is big enough to hold on to the really big stars - fot Werder, HSV or Schalke it will get even more difficult to keep the likes of Diego and van der Vaart in their teams after they made a lasting impression.

[Borussia]

PS I know at least of HSV and Hoffenheim whose transfer strategy is almost completely build on the idea of buying young and cheap with at least partly a view to transfer gains. Poor guys.

HSV and just Hoffenheim? Are you serious, mate? :eek:


The question is will that Article stay? Different to Bosman, this is based on a FIFA rule, not EU law, so the FIFA can simply rewrite that article.


If it isn't too late now...:rolleyes:

[Projekt4]

HSV and just Hoffenheim? Are you serious, mate? :eek:


Probably others as well, but regarding Hoffenhiem, look at who they bought last summer, they're all very young and comparably cheap due to being at the "talent" stage, just not cheap in second division terms. They only bought a few ready-made ~28 year olds in recent times.

[Borussia]

Yeah, € 20 millions for 3 young players is very, very cheap...:p

And please don't tell me that just Hoffenheim badly needs transfer gains and therefore would be affected the most by the Webster ruling...:rolleyes:

[Projekt4]

Yeah, € 20 millions for 3 young players is very, very cheap...:p

And please don't tell me that just Hoffenheim badly needs transfer gains and therefore would be affected the most by the Webster ruling...:rolleyes:

I know what I'm talking about regarding Hoffenheim. Developing young players was their model. Just that they work in different spheres than all second division clubs and most Bundesliga clubs. And that it's all heading for failure.:rolleyes:

[Borussia]

Developing young players was their model.


Yep, it might have been their model some years ago...


Btw: If there's a club to regularly develope talented players and sell them in order to "survive", it's my local club SpVgg Greuther Fürth! I don't think that a club like Hoffenheim, which can pay high wages, would be more affected by the Webster ruling than clubs like Fürth or Freiburg.

[Cirdan]

If it isn't too late now...:rolleyes:

Why should it be? I mean, it might be too late for the next transfer window, but I don't see why the FIFA couldn't change its own rules.

[GladbachPat]

I think the global implications are incredible. For the Bundesliga, I see players leaving their contracts not for their combined market worth but solely on their remaining salary, which would hit each club hard. Still, smaller clubs will be affected most, as they won't be compensated for their footballers' development AND market value (promotional, sporting, and contractual).

I think the Huszti example is pertinent for discussion, but you could also make cases for young talent arriving in the Bundesliga, like the future of Martin Fenin at Frankfurt, which might be much shorter than expected and become a financial loss for the club.

[Borussia]

You are right, Pat. Let's hope that the FIFA will do a favour to itself & the football by following @ Cirdan's idea. ;)


Btw: Nice to meet another Gladbach supporter! :) Did you notice the BMG forum in the "German clubs" section?