top five players

[phil80]

talent is natural

and that's why i said on talent alone he would be in the top5 or10. Reading comprehension is not your strong point is it?

[Hendrixforpope]

When have I questioned what Riquelme can do? Go back and read the part where I said based on talent alone he would be in the top 5 or 10 in the world. The fact that you cant comprehend this only makes you look silly.

You're just the kind of person who likes to stir things up and create arguments. THAT IS SILLY

EDIT: Throw in personal insults as well

[Dr. Know]

The fact that you fan-boys can not tell that his form has dropped slightly in the past few years (as did Henry's and Ronaldinho's) is purely laughable.

The fact that you clearly haven't watched him play regularly and are just speculating like a fool is purely laughable.

Trying to claim that I haven't watched his games is a childish, foolish arguement and a poor excuse of dodging the discussion.

Of course it isn't. It's completely valid especially when you make stupid comments like the ones coming up....

I will ask again, how many games has he played against the top competition in the world since Copa America? Quit squirming and answer the question.

What do you want me to answer? The fact that he doesn't play in Europe anymore doesn't mean that he's dropped his form or that he's still not one of the best players in the world. Which he clearly is.

As far as Argentina, Riquelme has missed games this year and Messi had the task of playing central attacking mid, way to show your ignorance Dr. Know

The only person showing their ignorance here is you. Riquelme quit the NT a bit after the WC. During that period Argentina played a few friendlies and Messi played as an AM. Riquelme returned to the NT right before the CA and has been in every squad for Argentina since(he's even playing in the Olympics). He hasn't missed anything. Again, if you don't know what you're talking about just shut up so you don't keep on making yourself look like a fool.


and way to foolishly question Robinho's influence in Copa America, purely insane.

I'm not questioning Robinho's influence in CA :rolleyes:. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying it's debatable if he "outplayed Riquelme". Care to question any of the facts that I stated?

And yes to be rated as the best, a player needs to play against the best week in and week out. Pablo Angel and Roberto Carlos look like monsters in their inferior leagues. That's the nature of the game.

The MLS and Turkish league are nowhere near the level of the Argentine league.

And Riquelme has shined at every level he's playing in right now. The NT, the Libertadores, and the league. The fact that he routinely outperforms practically every single one of the european based players in the Argentine NT shows the level of his play is still very high.

I'm not saying he's the best player in the world but like I said just because he's playing in Argentina now doesn't take away from his level of play or the fact that he's still one of the best in the world, especially as an AM/playmaker.

[Hendrixforpope]

"Never underestimate the capacity of idiots [phil80] to be idiotic". The source of this quote being somewhat regrettable :o.

[phil80]

"Never underestimate the capacity of idiots [phil80] to be idiotic". The source of this quote being somewhat regrettable :o.
Way to show your immatury with your insults. Giving my opinion on the discussion and having someone typing 'get a clue' and telling me to shut up, and I am the one trying to stir things up? Great logic hendrix, you never fail to disapoint.

[phil80]

The fact that you clearly haven't watched him play regularly and are just speculating like a fool is purely laughable.



Of course it isn't. It's completely valid especially when you make stupid comments like the ones coming up....



What do you want me to answer? The fact that he doesn't play in Europe anymore doesn't mean that he's dropped his form or that he's still not one of the best players in the world. Which he clearly is.



The only person showing their ignorance here is you. Riquelme quit the NT a bit after the WC. During that period Argentina played a few friendlies and Messi played as an AM. Riquelme returned to the NT right before the CA and has been in every squad for Argentina since(he's even playing in the Olympics). He hasn't missed anything. Again, if you don't know what you're talking about just shut up so you don't keep on making yourself look like a fool.




I'm not questioning Robinho's influence in CA :rolleyes:. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying it's debatable if he "outplayed Riquelme". Care to question any of the facts that I stated?


So much drivel dont know where to begin. So I'm not going to waste my time, especially if you're going to act like an immature troll.
Bottom line, Riquelme is not the same Riquelme of Villareal when he practically dominated the Champions league single-handedly. He is not playing against the best week in and week out. Other players have surpassed him and that is why he does not merit inclusion in the current top 5 or 10 in the world.

[Hendrixforpope]

Way to show your immatury with your insults. Giving my opinion on the discussion and having someone typing 'get a clue' and telling me to shut up, and I am the one trying to stir things up? Great logic hendrix, you never fail to disapoint.

You're the one who came onto this board spouting garbage (don't call me a hypocrite because I redeemed myself) especially after the argument I had with Moishe. You're the one who brought it back from the dead. You're "immatury" is very "disapoint"-ing.

[phil80]

You're the one who came onto this board spouting garbage (don't call me a hypocrite because I redeemed myself) especially after the argument I had with Moishe. You're the one who brought it back from the dead. You're "immatury" is very "disapoint"-ing.
Spouting garbage? Saying Riquelme is a debatable top 30 is garbage? At first I thought it was harsh the way Moishe kept pointing out your lack of information on the game, but now it seems it is just. Just because some people don't agree with Moishe's views doesn't mean they are wrong to bring up the discussion. And I'm so happy for you that you 'redeemed yourself', I didnt know it was so easy for you to believe whatever someone tells you. Pathetic.

[Moishe]

The fact that you fan-boys can not tell that his form has dropped slightly in the past few years (as did Henry's and Ronaldinho's) is purely laughable. Trying to claim that I haven't watched his games is a childish, foolish arguement and a poor excuse of dodging the discussion. I will ask again, how many games has he played against the top competition in the world since Copa America? Quit squirming and answer the question.
As far as Argentina, Riquelme has missed games this year and Messi had the task of playing central attacking mid, way to show your ignorance Dr. Know, and way to foolishly question Robinho's influence in Copa America, purely insane.
And yes to be rated as the best, a player needs to play against the best week in and week out. Pablo Angel and Roberto Carlos look like monsters in their inferior leagues. That's the nature of the game.

Please tell us fan-boys how his form has dropped? What aspects of his game are suffering, where are the deficiencies and in what matches did you make these observations? As for Riquelme missing a some friendlies, what exactly is the point. It's not like we cleaned house against all opposition with Messi in the middle leading the way. The team played like crap without Riquelme which is something any Argentina fan will tell you. The biggest haters were also the same posters acknowledging how missed he was. As for the Copa, Riquelme was clearly the most influential player in the tournament. You'd know this had you actually watched a game.

[Dr. Know]

So much drivel dont know where to begin. So I'm not going to waste my time, especially if you're going to act like an immature troll.
Bottom line, Riquelme is not the same Riquelme of Villareal when he practically dominated the Champions league single-handedly. He is not playing against the best week in and week out. Other players have surpassed him and that is why he does not merit inclusion in the current top 5 or 10 in the world.

You wouldn't know if he's the same Riquelme of Villarreal or not since you clearly don't watch him play regularly. As I said if you had been watching him play you'd know that his form over the past year or so has been some of the best of his career for both club and country. Your claims that he's lost his form ala Henry are ridiculous. His level of play has been excellent. This is coming from someone who's watched him play for years in Argentina and in Spain.

Just admit that you don't know what you're talking about and move on.

[Hendrixforpope]

Spouting garbage? Saying Riquelme is a debatable top 30 is garbage? At first I thought it was harsh the way Moishe kept pointing out your lack of information on the game, but now it seems it is just. Just because some people don't agree with Moishe's views doesn't mean they are wrong to bring up the discussion. And I'm so happy for you that you 'redeemed yourself', I didnt know it was so easy for you to believe whatever someone tells you. Pathetic.

I suppose I could ask you to list 30 players who are better than Riquelme but you wouldn't be able to do it (I couldn't) :D. It's not that I am soon to believe what other's say, but rather I admit my mistakes before I get backed too far into a corner and look like a complete idiot.

[Moishe]

When have I questioned what Riquelme can do? Go back and read the part where I said based on talent alone he would be in the top 5 or 10 in the world. The fact that you cant comprehend this only makes you look silly.

and that's why i said on talent alone he would be in the top5 or10. Reading comprehension is not your strong point is it?

You are acknowledging his talent which should end any argument yet you are so insistent that unless he is playing against a few good European teams and a bunch of mediocre sides, he can't be rated. That's biased garbage. The man can play anywhere against anyone. No matter your stance, he is that good.

So much drivel dont know where to begin. So I'm not going to waste my time, especially if you're going to act like an immature troll.
Bottom line, Riquelme is not the same Riquelme of Villareal when he practically dominated the Champions league single-handedly. He is not playing against the best week in and week out. Other players have surpassed him and that is why he does not merit inclusion in the current top 5 or 10 in the world.

Dr. Know is far from a troll. Riquelme is the same player that Villarreal had and without question better as a leader and on field coach. Physically where has he dropped off since leaving Spain? Now who are these other players that have surpassed him and how exactly are they going to fill his shoes on the national team based on how El Coco plays?

[phil80]

I suppose I could ask you to list 30 players who are better than Riquelme but you wouldn't be able to do it (I couldn't) :D. It's not that I am soon to believe what other's say, but rather I admit my mistakes before I get backed too far into a corner and look like a complete idiot.
I have already listed them, look at my post history. I'm glad you could admit to your mistake, now if others have a different view you should respect it and grow up, same goes for the other Riquelme fan-boys on this thread.

[Hendrixforpope]

Can't we all just get along? Let's stop the bitch-fest.

[Moishe]

I have already listed them, look at my post history. I'm glad you could admit to your mistake, now if others have a different view you should respect it and grow up, same goes for the other Riquelme fan-boys on this thread.

Save us the trip Phil and post those 30 players so we can have a go at it. It's amazing to find someone so sure of their views more than Teso. At least Teso can recognize that talent is talent regardless of where it is utilized. Newsflash Phil but European futbol while very good in some leagues, in many many others it's crap and definitely of a lower level than that of Brazil and Argentinas top sides.

[Hendrixforpope]

Save us the trip Phil and post those 30 players so we can have a go at it. It's amazing to find someone so sure of their views more than Teso. At least Teso can recognize that talent is talent regardless of where it is utilized. Newsflash Phil but European futbol while very good in some leagues, in many many others it's crap and definitely of a lower level than that of Brazil and Argentinas top sides.

Teso is never wrong though, if he were, the whole universe would implode. I didn't want to sift through 30 pages of posts to find Phil's list :D

[phil80]

Please tell us fan-boys how his form has dropped? What aspects of his game are suffering, where are the deficiencies and in what matches did you make these observations? As for Riquelme missing a some friendlies, what exactly is the point. It's not like we cleaned house against all opposition with Messi in the middle leading the way. The team played like crap without Riquelme which is something any Argentina fan will tell you. The biggest haters were also the same posters acknowledging how missed he was. As for the Copa, Riquelme was clearly the most influential player in the tournament. You'd know this had you actually watched a game.
I will answer your points when you decide to answer the original question ....How many games has Riquelme played in against TOP TEAMS since copa america?

And if the discussion is focussing on Riquelme's form (and not whether he deserves inclusion in the top 5 players in the world which is what it should be), then i will address it quickly. Riquelme has slightly dropped form since his Villareal days when competing against top sides (and i dont mean top argentinian clubs), this in combination with playing in an inferior league is enough to keep him off the list. And if you want to know what other players i think should be on the list over him, then i'll either post it later or look in my post history in the top 20 players thread

[Moishe]

Teso is never wrong though, if he were, the whole universe would implode. I didn't want to sift through 30 pages of posts to find Phil's list :D

I've seen Teso admit he's wrong before. The universe didn't implode but their was a rash of mall and school shootings in North America. I'd like to see Phils list of 30 players that can step into Riquelmes role for both club and country.

[Hendrixforpope]

I've seen Teso admit he's wrong before. The universe didn't implode but their was a rash of mall and school shootings in North America. I'd like to see Phils list of 30 players that can step into Riquelmes role for both club and country.

That must have been a glorious day to behold (do you know what he admitted being wrong about by any chance? :D).

[phil80]

Save us the trip Phil and post those 30 players so we can have a go at it. It's amazing to find someone so sure of their views more than Teso. At least Teso can recognize that talent is talent regardless of where it is utilized. Newsflash Phil but European futbol while very good in some leagues, in many many others it's crap and definitely of a lower level than that of Brazil and Argentinas top sides.
I will post it, but i have a meeting tomorrow morning that i have to prepare for. And once again moishe, i never doubted riquelme's talent so I dont know why you keep bringing it up. Lastly, many european leagues are inferior to Argentina's but the spanish league is not one of those.