Pregame talk: France VS Colombia in June 2008

[GavoCol]

JC Escobar es titular en su equipo ruso desde el inicio de la temporada, y ya ha marcado un gol (creo que se han jugado 3 o 4 partidos de la nueva temporada).

[jinks]

I like you're passion.............hehe he..... About the list, I'm ok with it. People are always gonna have if's and but's........this list is ok. We have the injury bug going around and i'll give a chance to some players who have not had NT exposure, but that deserve an opportunity. The only complaint I do have is not calling Nelson Rivas...........In my opinion, and I know he did well while there, but Walter Moreno has not shown a lot lately. If anything, our CB's should always have the pressure to play their best at their clubs because they should know that the competition is fierce. We have a lot of depth at the position and we shouldn't just go with " what worked last time"..............It would've been a good message by Pinto if he could've put RIvas in and Moreno out. That way he could've put other people on notice (Amaranto, {Velez}, Bustos, Renteria, Macnelly, Amaya, Sanchez, Anchico, Rodallega, Edixon......etc)........that they are not gonna just "fall" into La Seleccion and that if you want to be in it you really have bust your a$$.......although we all know Pinto has it's 'preferidos', but you get the picture......

..... Lastly, if this is not Giovanni's last chance, I don't what is. He's been given chance after chance after chance after chance.........even by different coaches. I know there's some people who are in favor of him being called up, but he to me is like reading last week's paper: Been there done that. If he hasn't made most of his opportunities in the past, why will he now??????? If the excuse is that he's more mature, I don't buy it..........he's in his early 30's....That's when players are past their maturity and are in their declining stage..........Players, and I mean good players, are on their peak between the ages of 23ish-28ish.......and if they haven't done anything by that time, it's because they can't give anything extra to what they have already shown.

Anyway, I hope we get some good practices going and make the most of the friendlies so we get in top form in time for the Peru and Ecuador matches. I also hope the players keep building their team chemistry and we get some true camadery

agree with all but 1 thing :) Some players mature at different stages in their career, people forget easily that Gio was one of the reasons we got to hold the Copa America in 2001, him and Aristi. Gio's decline after that was shocking but he is back now, and showing that he has something still and I think we have to give him at least these last 2 friendlies, (i think him and mcnelly will be jelling the team) especially in Paris to show the world what he is about. He wont be signed now by a major club but we need some serious distributing and holding play up in our midfield and he can deliver for another 2-3 years.

[jinks]

This is the squad which we will face. Notably no Trezeguet. Digo Gracias a Dios pero estos nos matan en otras areas. Los mas fuertes los pongo en bold.

Squad:

Goalkeepers: Gregory Coupet (Olympique Lyon), Sebastien Frey (Fiorentina), Mickael Landreau (Paris St Germain), Steve Mandanda (Olympique Marseille).

Defenders: Eric Abidal (Barcelona), Jean-Alain Boumsong (Lyon), Francois Clerc (Lyon), Sebastien Squillaci (Lyon), William Gallas (Arsenal), Julien Escude (Sevilla), Patrice Evra (Manchester United), Philippe Mexes (AS Roma), Willy Sagnol (Bayern Munich), Lilian Thuram (Barcelona).

Midfielders: Alou Diarra (Girondins Bordeaux), Lassana Diarra (Portsmouth), Mathieu Flamini (Arsenal), Claude Makelele (Chelsea), Jeremy Toulalan (Lyon), Patrick Vieira (Inter Milan).

Forwards: Nicolas Anelka (Chelsea), Hatem Ben Arfa (Lyon), Karim Benzema (Lyon), Sidney Govou (Lyon), Djibril Cisse (Marseille), Samir Nasri (Marseille), Bafetimbi Gomis (St Etienne), Thierry Henry (Barcelona), Florent Malouda (Chelsea), Franck Ribery (Bayern Munich).



No es Ribery un CM and Malouda a RM?

[Siempreconlamecha]

No es Ribery un CM and Malouda a RM?

son jugadores que sus funciones principales son de ataque. Ribery juega suelto en el bayern y Malouda juega por la banda del chelsea

[FelipeMillos]

para los que no saben quien es JC Escobar...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpI1687kzI4&NR=1
(es dificil juzgar a un jugador por sus mejores jugadas pero su habilidad y sus qualidades fisicas son indudables.)

[FelipeMillos]

Midfielders: Alou Diarra (Girondins Bordeaux), Lassana Diarra (Portsmouth), Mathieu Flamini (Arsenal), Claude Makelele (Chelsea), Jeremy Toulalan (Lyon), Patrick Vieira (Inter Milan).

Forwards: Nicolas Anelka (Chelsea), Hatem Ben Arfa (Lyon), Karim Benzema (Lyon), Sidney Govou (Lyon), Djibril Cisse (Marseille), Samir Nasri (Marseille), Bafetimbi Gomis (St Etienne), Thierry Henry (Barcelona), Florent Malouda (Chelsea), Franck Ribery (Bayern Munich).


Como es posible que no traigan a Tyson?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[crzdcolombian]

Como es posible que no traigan a Tyson?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Guys we all love inter and its prob one of the biggest teams in europe but he is their 5th choice CB !!!

he only played Copa Italia, and like 5-6 games of the italian league... did he do great ??? Yes but give him a little more time.... and this much playing time is because the 2 starters of inter were injured for the full season very early on in the season if Cordoba-Samuel wall that Inter has was 100% the season he would have never played

lets see how he does never season b4 we all call for Pintos head for not calling him

as for Zapata after his injury he and Udinese have been very weak on defense, and hope he regains form as well as Walter Moreno(feel more secure with him than Luis Perea) before Qualifiers

Id take 2 loses in Europe and 2 wins in Qualifiers :D but I am expecting to beat Ireland, tie/lose to France tho hope Rodagella comes in big so everyone shuts the ******** up about him, and then win Peru, tie/win Ecuador is my big dream for the next 2 weeks

[minus]

Guys we all love inter and its prob one of the biggest teams in europe but he is their 5th choice CB !!!

he only played Copa Italia, and like 5-6 games of the italian league... did he do great ??? Yes but give him a little more time.... and this much playing time is because the 2 starters of inter were injured for the full season very early on in the season if Cordoba-Samuel wall that Inter has was 100% the season he would have never played

lets see how he does never season b4 we all call for Pintos head for not calling him

as for Zapata after his injury he and Udinese have been very weak on defense, and hope he regains form as well as Walter Moreno(feel more secure with him than Luis Perea) before Qualifiers

Id take 2 loses in Europe and 2 wins in Qualifiers :D but I am expecting to beat Ireland, tie/lose to France tho hope Rodagella comes in big so everyone shuts the ******** up about him, and then win Peru, tie/win Ecuador is my big dream for the next 2 weeks

Walter Moreno has been benched! I would much rather have Rivas who is in much better form.

[Catel]

son jugadores que sus funciones principales son de ataque. Ribery juega suelto en el bayern y Malouda juega por la banda del chelsea
Nah, Domenech just considers a midfield can only be a defensive player. :D Aimé Jacquet's school.

[ryu79]

agree with all but 1 thing :) Some players mature at different stages in their career, people forget easily that Gio was one of the reasons we got to hold the Copa America in 2001, him and Aristi. Gio's decline after that was shocking but he is back now, and showing that he has something still and I think we have to give him at least these last 2 friendlies, (i think him and mcnelly will be jelling the team) especially in Paris to show the world what he is about. He wont be signed now by a major club but we need some serious distributing and holding play up in our midfield and he can deliver for another 2-3 years.

Jinks - With all due respect, Colombia would have won that cup with or without Gio. We didn't let a goal in - the whole tournament - unless my memory fails me. Cordoba y Yepes won that trophy, IMHO.

Gio played decent, but I remember Ferreira playing in his place in the second round, and looking even better...He's never played consistently for the NT, and has always been terrific for his clubs. He's a consistent deceiver so to speak.

[pepinointer]

Primer partido de la era pinto donde colombia va a tener menos negros q el otro equipo :D ........se me hace q estamos sinedo muy injustos con el chef walter, despues de q este tipo humilde fue capaz de neutralizar a robinho( carroloc brasileño) y a messi y se gano con trabajo el puesto nada de nombre, en vez de elegirlo a el pa q entrar tyson, deberian quejarse por amaranto q si esta jugando horrible y ademas no ha hecho un papel destacable con la seleccion ultimamnte. aunque para mi los titulares deben ser aquivaldo-zapata

[elviejomen]

pinto se pega unas enamoradas si no es vallejo, es amaranto, nelson rivas hubiera sido bueno que lo llamara porque anda en buen momento, y no solo por eso sino para que se vaya familiarisando con la sele, no digo que lo pongan de titular ni mucho menos, pero si llaman a amaranto para eso llamen a rivas y uff ya quiero ver como funcionan esos dos laterales armero y zuniga

[MrPaisa]

pinto se pega unas enamoradas si no es vallejo, es amaranto, nelson rivas hubiera sido bueno que lo llamara porque anda en buen momento, y no solo por eso sino para que se vaya familiarisando con la sele, no digo que lo pongan de titular ni mucho menos, pero si llaman a amaranto para eso llamen a rivas y uff ya quiero ver como funcionan esos dos laterales armero y zuniga



zuniga no viene

[dapip]

Jinks - With all due respect, Colombia would have won that cup with or without Gio. We didn't let a goal in - the whole tournament - unless my memory fails me. Cordoba y Yepes won that trophy, IMHO.

And with the teams other countries sent, we could have put Martin Garcia as striker....

Gio played decent, but I remember Ferreira playing in his place in the second round, and looking even better...He's never played consistently for the NT, and has always been terrific for his clubs. He's a consistent deceiver so to speak.

I don't know why people don't understand that Giovanny will never offer any consistency and that he disappears when he's needed the most. Look for him to do a "David Copperfield"-like performance against France (he'll dissapear). I'd rather go with Ferreira or Macnely that can carry a team under pressure...

[crzdcolombian]

Gio saved his NT career by coming back to Colombia this made Pinto love him... if he was still in Chile he would have been dropped from the team

I always disliked NT GIO but last game him and Motta togehter too less pressure off Gio and made him play well tho Venezulea is a small team and Rodagella did score in like the 1st minute of the game....

The real hero of the game was Rodagella... scored 2, pk against him, Polo goals was a rebound off a Rodagella shot....

Yea everyone giving GIO the thumbs up but it was Rodagella + 10 , much like the sub 20 2005... sure it was a hell of a 10 but Rodagella was the whole team that game

[FLFootballFan]

Gio saved his NT career by coming back to Colombia this made Pinto love him... if he was still in Chile he would have been dropped from the team

I always disliked NT GIO but last game him and Motta togehter too less pressure off Gio and made him play well tho Venezulea is a small team and Rodagella did score in like the 1st minute of the game....

The real hero of the game was Rodagella... scored 2, pk against him, Polo goals was a rebound off a Rodagella shot....

Yea everyone giving GIO the thumbs up but it was Rodagella + 10 , much like the sub 20 2005... sure it was a hell of a 10 but Rodagella was the whole team that game

Hey, just checking with ya.............do you intentionally say Rodagella as a joke , nickname or what???? If it is, explain because I missed the boat on that one......

[FelipeMillos]

para clarificar..

a mi simplemente me parece absurdo que no convoquen a Rivas porque por muy bueno que sea Walter, Rivas tiene mas experiencia marcando a jugadores de nivel mundial.
Tambien devo notar que esta es mi humilde opinion y que tengo mucha confianza en lo que hace Pinto por muy extranas que parescan sus decisiones.

[FLFootballFan]

para clarificar..

a mi simplemente me parece absurdo que no convoquen a Rivas porque por muy bueno que sea Walter, Rivas tiene mas experiencia marcando a jugadores de nivel mundial.
Tambien devo notar que esta es mi humilde opinion y que tengo mucha confianza en lo que hace Pinto por muy extranas que parescan sus decisiones.

Estoy de acuerdo contigo. Como dijo hace unos cuantos posts, nuestros jugadores deberian dar al maximo en sus clubes para que "ganen" un puesto en la seleccion. Me parece que es un incentivo leal querer que haya competencia entre nuestros jugadores por hacer parte de la Seleccion. Caso especial es la situacion de los centrales. Tenemos muchos centrales de mucha calidad y me parece que no se deberia simplemente dar los puestos a los ultimos que estuvieron porque simplemente fueron los ultimos. Tenemos la fortuna que varios de nuestros centrales juegan en las mejores ligas del mundo y se deberia llamar al que mejor este en su respectiva Liga.......Walter Moreno fue convocado a la seleccion por sus buenas actuaciones en el Cucuta ( Pinto lo conocia por haber sido su coach) y cumplio muy bien cuando fue llamado. Lamentablemente, el muchacho ha estado lesionado y no ha presentado un buen nivel durante su semestre en Nacional. En cambio, Rivas ha dejado chupando banca a Materrazzi y otras veces a Burdisso y ha sido elogiado por la prensa de italia por sus solidez y Pinto ni le llama. Deberiamos crear una ambiente positivo y hacer que nuestros jugadores la suden para llegar a la Seleccion porque estar ahi no es un DERECHO sino un PRIVILEGIO................y no queremos que se nos vayan acomodando solo porque si.......Espero que Pinto no deje que esto sucede y llame siempre a los mejores, especialmente si tenemos tantos como en la posicion de central

[elviejomen]

para clarificar..

a mi simplemente me parece absurdo que no convoquen a Rivas porque por muy bueno que sea Walter, Rivas tiene mas experiencia marcando a jugadores de nivel mundial.
Tambien devo notar que esta es mi humilde opinion y que tengo mucha confianza en lo que hace Pinto por muy extranas que parescan sus decisiones.
el cuento esque rivas se merese una oportunidad con la sele por lo que ha demostrado pero hay algo rivas tiene que adaptarse con la sele, crear quimica.... eso es algo muy importante mira la quimica de equipo que tiene paraguay por todos esos anos jugando en grupo y por eso esque tienen tan buenos resultados lo mismo ecuador cuando jugo la eliminatoria pasada, asi que en eso walter le tiene la ventaja a rivas, ya que tiene mas quimica con los otros jugadores y como dice el dicho lo que no esta danado mejor no lo arregles, pero es ahora trabajo de pinto llamar a rivas para que vaya creando quimica con el grupo y tambien para saber si rivas suda la camisa (problema de mucho jugador colombiano)

[FelipeMillos]

el cuento esque rivas se merese una oportunidad con la sele por lo que ha demostrado pero hay algo rivas tiene que adaptarse con la sele, crear quimica.... eso es algo muy importante mira la quimica de equipo que tiene paraguay por todos esos anos jugando en grupo y por eso esque tienen tan buenos resultados lo mismo ecuador cuando jugo la eliminatoria pasada, asi que en eso walter le tiene la ventaja a rivas, ya que tiene mas quimica con los otros jugadores y como dice el dicho lo que no esta danado mejor no lo arregles, pero es ahora trabajo de pinto llamar a rivas para que vaya creando quimica con el grupo y tambien para saber si rivas suda la camisa (problema de mucho jugador colombiano)

Estoy de acuerdo con su prioridad de la quimica pero dejeme preguntarle algo.. No son para eso los amistosos? Entenderia su argumento si esta fuera la convocatoria para las eliminatorias pero la verdad es que este es el momento perfecto para convocar a Rivas (Es un amistoso donde hay mucho que ganar pero nada que perder, Aquivaldo esta lesionado y jugamos contra equipos europeos)