Most underated players

[Lion-o]

Well,

You wrote:Sorry,

My understanding of English is really revealing to be a drag :o ...

yeah i dunno how you inferred that really...

[erick]

Guardado, Memo Ochoa, Fletcher, Nakamura, Kerlon, and Fabiano.

[kluivert98-FCB]

juan albin

[jerrito]

Not at all. the defence has the advantage in that the attack has to breach it. The attackers may no what they are going to do, but knowing it and doing it are two different things, watch a football match the defenders have the upper hand the majority of the time. Why? because it's damn difficult, players make it look easy because they are amazing, but the best players still don't dominate unless you make a mistake aka give them space.

I believe you may have missed my point. I was speaking of the individual battles which usually determine the winner in sports. In football, and sports in general, making the first move is most definitely an advantage. Otherwise, why do tennis players have a higher likelihood of winning on their own serve? (Answer - they know where they are going to place it, and with how much speed or spin.) The same holds true for the attacking side in football and other team sports. There is always an advantage to knowing what you are going to do when the defender does not (and since he cannot read your mind, this is invariably true). Defenders have to react to what the attacker does, which is always a disadvantage. And sometimes, great attacking players do dominate, by the way.

[TKORL]

I think the assumption Lion-O is operating on is that creation, associated with attacking i much harder than destruction, associated with defending. That is normally true, however, attackers are not penalized as much for failing to create as defenders are for failing to destroy. It's a difference in skill sets as well as attitude.

There's also an innate assumption that a highly skilled attacking player could defend very well if he devoted more time to defense, because it is assumed that it requires the same skills as attacking with the added prerequisite of physical commitment, neglecting the fact that defending is a particular skill set as well.

[Lion-o]

I think the assumption Lion-O is operating on is that creation, associated with attacking i much harder than destruction, associated with defending. That is normally true, however, attackers are not penalized as much for failing to create as defenders are for failing to destroy. It's a difference in skill sets as well as attitude.

You've got the gist of where i am coming from, its not something i thought about until i heard Tim Vickery mention it on the world football phone in, and i happened to agree with him.

To expand on your assumptions, attacking is not just creating but finishing also, football is a sport about effiecency, chances are limited so you best take them.

The lower down you go (in quality) the more mistakes there are, but the strikers aren't good enough to punish those mistakes that's why the goal ratio stays in the same parameters almost everywhere.

Attackers are not penalised for not being creative because they are not making mistakes in not doing so, defences who get breached are penalised for making mistakes, because these are things that shouldn't happen and lead to goals, you can pick a fault in the defence in almost every goal. The point being most goals come from gifted attacking players forcing mistakes out of defenders, if these players weren't so gifted there would be no goals...

afterall it's no coincidence more goals tend to be scored at the end of both halves when defenders are more tired, and concentration levels cause more mistakes.

There's also an innate assumption that a highly skilled attacking player could defend very well if he devoted more time to defense, because it is assumed that it requires the same skills as attacking with the added prerequisite of physical commitment, neglecting the fact that defending is a particular skill set as well.That's the thing players are switched from attack to defence all the time, a lot of defenders (especially full backs) started of as attacking players whose abilities were harnessed. So it is a true assumption, thoroughbread defenders maybe not, but the vast majority of defenders aren't thoroughbread...

and it's no coincidence that many defenders have longer careers...

[uamiranda]

we must have been watching different players then.Yeah... Maybe you are right... I should change my glasses... :p

YouTube - Zidane assists

[TKORL]

lol argument by youtube.

[uamiranda]

lol argument by youtube.What??? It's not Zizou in the movie???? Damn! I have to change my new glasses again!!! :mad:

BTW, what did you expect? I just used the same extent as your previous "argumentative" text...;)

Fair enough... I don't think youtube videos are the best way to argument, but sometimes one image says more than thousand words. Moreover, once I'm not that fanatic Zidane fan (I just appreciate very much his style of play), he doesn't worth those thousand words text (I'm too "lazy" to do that :o)... you (sorry for the sincerity), WAY less...

Anyway, just for curiosity, what do you think was Zidane's role???

Just for curiosity again... Are you Teso's relative??? lol

[vancity eagle]

steven sessegnon of PSG, this guy is the new Okocha, was linked to a number of big clubs including Chelsea, this guy will be huge.


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[vancity eagle]

[QUOTE=vancity eagle;18535434]steven sessegnon of PSG, this guy is the new Okocha, was linked to a number of big clubs including Chelsea, this guy will be huge.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSSQIPg8pKU
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSSQIPg8pKU)

[erick]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK0hmqBh4sQ

[NAKATAH]

Hidetoshi Nakata.
In Japan, Many of fans of him think Nakata and Totti as a player of the same level.
He is one of most undervalued players.

[Common]

I think on the world stage Luka modric is a very underrated player, to many outside Enlgand or Croatia he may not even be a household name, but this guy is pure class. His creativity and wittiness on the ball amazes me at times. He will shine for Croatia in the world cup.

[Common]

Hidetoshi Nakata.
In Japan, Many of fans of him think Nakata and Totti as a player of the same level.
He is one of most undervalued players.

Nakata and Totti are not even close to being in the same level. I find this comment a bit too biased, sorry.

[NAKATAH]

Nakata and Totti are not even close to being in the same level. I find this comment a bit too biased, sorry.


Nakata contributed to the victory of Rome.
After that, Rome wasn't won the championship.
Moreover, Boban and Rui Manuel Costa are considered to be the same rank as him.

[KumarsS]

I think on the world stage Luka modric is a very underrated player, to many outside Enlgand or Croatia he may not even be a household name, but this guy is pure class. His creativity and wittiness on the ball amazes me at times. He will shine for Croatia in the world cup.

Other players have gotten credit for your shining start to the season but IMO little Modric has been THE outstanding midfielder of the season so far. Some playmakers like Sneijder suffer when they're shoehorned onto the wing, but it's a testament to Modric's abilities that he's excelled to this degree despite not starting centrally.

[kingkong1]

Zizinho.

He was as good as Di Stéfano & Beckenbauer (only Didi was superior).

But Brazil lost the 1950 Cup :o ...

[Common]

Other players have gotten credit for your shining start to the season but IMO little Modric has been THE outstanding midfielder of the season so far. Some playmakers like Sneijder suffer when they're shoehorned onto the wing, but it's a testament to Modric's abilities that he's excelled to this degree despite not starting centrally.

I think he and Wilson Palacios are the main reason for Spur's success early on this season. Modric was at the club last season when they were doing poorly but with the inlcusion of Palacios on the team to do the dirty work and bring that phisicality to the midifield, now Modric has all the room to work up top and focus on offensive duties rather tahn getting back on the defensive and recovering balls.

[ArrozConPollo]

any player that isnt an argie, brazilian, italian, english or spanish are usually very underarated

I love how fifa always rates Ivan Cordoba as Inters worst defender when he has been the undisputed starter for them for the past 10 years...