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Halamadrid26
07 Aug 2009, 10:21 PM
Sorry for the double post. Is it just me or do defenders get little respect and are underrated. I am a defender so that's why I get irratated by it. I walk into a soccer store and all you see are picture of attacking players. Go on the Nike website and it's only the attacking players on it. It makes me want to play striker or something. Are they underrated or am I mistaken
revelationx
08 Aug 2009, 06:10 AM
Defenders do get less acclaim. This is normal though. Scoring goals are the key moments that decide results and are the most glamourus part of a match. Scoring goals are the most difficult part of the game too as the opposition is trying to prevent this with all their power. If you see highlights of a match - the goals will be shown. If you read a report of a match - the goals will be described and the scorers mentioned. Obviously defenders are vital players but they score less than other players due to their positions and so are mentioned less due to the above. There is nothing really unjust about this.
TKORL
08 Aug 2009, 06:00 PM
well zidane and beckham werent big scorers either.
phil80
08 Aug 2009, 10:34 PM
beckham had commercial appeal, zidane scored in the big games thats why they got more attention than normal, but typically the players that dont do the scoring often get overlooked and underrated.
Halamadrid26
08 Aug 2009, 11:11 PM
Yea, i guess that would make sense because scoring is what the fans want to see haha
kingkong1
09 Aug 2009, 06:17 AM
Scoring goals are the most difficult part of the game too as the opposition is trying to prevent this with all their power.I wouldn't say it's 'more difficult'.
Offense is also trying to score 'with all their power', so I wouldn't get to the extreme to say that intrinsically defending is individual & technically 'easier' than to attack.
One has to agree though that the conjunctural burden of the defenders is a bit lighter.
Defenders (specially nowadays) are in bigger number on the pitch - often a 6-5, sometimes a 7-4 (or even 8-3) numerical advantage over offensive mids/forwards - not to mention that they have among them the only player that can grab a ball with his hands.
And...a game starts 0 x 0.:D
The obligation to change the score does belong to the attackers.
TKORL
10 Aug 2009, 12:00 AM
that makes no sense. If you're playing against a very good attacker, then it is very difficult to defend...and if you're being marked by a great defender then it's difficult to attack, nothing is intrinsically easier.
Rather I would say advantage is to attackers as you're incentivized to produce moments of brilliance rather than sheer consistency of excellence throughout a match as a defender would be. If a striker makes a mistake its fine, another chance will likely come, if a CB makes a mistake in front of goal. that's more serious.
Lion-o
10 Aug 2009, 07:27 PM
^^ what? football is a defensive sport, by its vary nature it is easier to defend than attack.
Attacking looks easy becasue these players are amazing, because that is how good you have to be to beat defences.
The point goals more often than not come from mistakes, the lower you go down the more the mistakes but the attacking players aren't good enough to make the most of those opportunities presented to them, hence why goals aren't any higher the lower down you go.
There is a reason why goals per game is relatively low compared to other sports.
kingkong1
10 Aug 2009, 08:41 PM
that makes no sense. If you're playing against a very good attacker, then it is very difficult to defend...and if you're being marked by a great defender then it's difficult to attack, nothing is intrinsically easier.
Rather I would say advantage is to attackers as you're incentivized to produce moments of brilliance rather than sheer consistency of excellence throughout a match as a defender would be. If a striker makes a mistake its fine, another chance will likely come, if a CB makes a mistake in front of goal. that's more serious.TKORL,
You gotta learn how to read.
I said:I wouldn't get to the extreme to say that intrinsically defending is individual & technically 'easier' than to attack.
One has to agree though that the conjunctural burden of the defenders is a bit lighter.Read my post #546 (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18462669&postcount=546) over, please.:rolleyes:
uamiranda
10 Aug 2009, 10:19 PM
well zidane and beckham werent big scorers either.Zidane provided many gols to his teammates.
Yea, i guess that would make sense because scoring is what the fans want to see hahaNot only it is what they want to see, but it's the essence of the game.
kingkong1
10 Aug 2009, 11:12 PM
^^ what? football is a defensive sport, by its vary nature it is easier to defend than attack.
Attacking looks easy becasue these players are amazing, because that is how good you have to be to beat defences.
The point goals more often than not come from mistakes, the lower you go down the more the mistakes but the attacking players aren't good enough to make the most of those opportunities presented to them, hence why goals aren't any higher the lower down you go.
There is a reason why goals per game is relatively low compared to other sports.Defensive sport?...
Quite the opposite.
Since who wins is who scores & a game always starts 0 x 0, you just 'play the sport of football if you attack.
If you don't attack, the contrary defense will just stay there knitting wool sweaters to their grandsons :D ...
TKORL
10 Aug 2009, 11:26 PM
TKORL,
You gotta learn how to read.
I said:Read my post #546 (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18462669&postcount=546) over, please.:rolleyes:
I stand corrected.
TKORL
10 Aug 2009, 11:26 PM
Zidane provided many gols to his teammates.
we must have been watching different players then.
old_carioca_in_nyc
11 Aug 2009, 06:49 AM
well zidane and beckham werent big scorers either.
beckham had commercial appeal, zidane scored in the big games thats why they got more attention than normal, but typically the players that dont do the scoring often get overlooked and underrated.
There were lots of players who get plenty of attention, but are not the top scorers...
Beckenbauer, Veron, etc
here is a list - included FORWARD midfielders... :)
YouTube - world best top ten soccer forwards midfielders ever !
phil80
11 Aug 2009, 08:12 AM
ofcourse there are ones that get the attention, but the trend is the non goalscorers are typically underrated and overlooked. Like now, I think Iniesta and David Silva have been very underrated, and Klose later in his career was one of the best passing forwards but didnt always get his due credit.
Lion-o
11 Aug 2009, 10:15 AM
Defensive sport?...
Quite the opposite.
Since who wins is who scores & a game always starts 0 x 0, you just 'play the sport of football if you attack.
If you don't attack, the contrary defense will just stay there knitting wool sweaters to their grandsons :D ...
You misunderstood, I don't mean a defensive sport in that it is the aim of teams to be defensive. I mean defensive in who has the upper hand with the least exertion.
kingkong1
11 Aug 2009, 02:28 PM
You misunderstood, I don't mean a defensive sport in that it is the aim of teams to be defensive. I mean defensive in who has the upper hand with the least exertion.Well,
You wrote:(...) football is a defensive sport, by its very nature it is easier to defend than attack.Sorry,
My understanding of English is really revealing to be a drag :o ...
jerrito
11 Aug 2009, 08:03 PM
Not to mention that the attacker knows what he is going to do before the defender does. That is a big advantage as well.
that makes no sense. If you're playing against a very good attacker, then it is very difficult to defend...and if you're being marked by a great defender then it's difficult to attack, nothing is intrinsically easier.
Rather I would say advantage is to attackers as you're incentivized to produce moments of brilliance rather than sheer consistency of excellence throughout a match as a defender would be. If a striker makes a mistake its fine, another chance will likely come, if a CB makes a mistake in front of goal. that's more serious.
ArrozConPollo
11 Aug 2009, 11:35 PM
underrated: Villa, Mata, Forlan, Rio, Totti, Diego
overrated: rooney
agree with Rooney every english player is super over rated, same goes for half the argies and brazilians out their.... just because its a top NT doesnt make them the greatest player in the world. Most of Real MAdrid, Man U, Arsenal Players.
Underrated : Higuian (argentina better call him b4 he gets upset and just puts on a french uni, which would cost them the WC), Xavi, Cabanas (America of Mexico, prob the deadlist striker not in europe)
Lion-o
12 Aug 2009, 12:42 PM
Not to mention that the attacker knows what he is going to do before the defender does. That is a big advantage as well.
Not at all. the defence has the advantage in that the attack has to breach it. The attackers may no what they are going to do, but knowing it and doing it are two different things, watch a football match the defenders have the upper hand the majority of the time. Why? because it's damn difficult, players make it look easy because they are amazing, but the best players still don't dominate unless you make a mistake aka give them space.