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Rufusabc
17 Jan 2008, 07:19 PM
I was posting on a different thread about a rule that died a peaceful death in the early '70's in NJ HS where the winning team in a tie game was determined by the number of corners won.....
And then our young friend had posted that in a state playoff game a keeper can charge the shooter in Illinois.
Anybody else got a wierd one?
R
campton
17 Jan 2008, 11:26 PM
Im famous ^^^^
Just one thing, in IL, if your sub is not at the line before the ball is out, there is NO EXCEPTION to your substitution. If you run on as its going out, the referee will be like "hey john was he there?" "no" "keep him off".
Apparently substitution procedures like that are taken very seriously in IHSA
MassachusettsRef
18 Jan 2008, 08:23 AM
Just one thing, in IL, if your sub is not at the line before the ball is out, there is NO EXCEPTION to your substitution. If you run on as its going out, the referee will be like "hey john was he there?" "no" "keep him off".That sounds about right to me and sounds like a case of, for once, High School soccer falling in line with FIFA.
In a FIFA international or professional match, the substitution is prepared prior to the next stoppage. If the paperwork and all the inspections aren't done with the fourth official by the time the next stoppage occurs, the substitution waits. The game doesn't wait for a substitution and you certainly can't send a substitute up as the ball goes out of play.
So, as anal as this rule probably appears at the high school level, it's actually falling in line with how the Laws are supposed to be executed.
andymoss
18 Jan 2008, 09:03 AM
We have are blessed to have two great indoor complexes, both awesome, the new one opened last year and is fantastic.
Anyhoo, we have three or four clubs that run tournaments with all the usual rules, three lines, no punting, ceiling net, back or side nets results in kick-in, CK or GK, all kicks are direct, two mins out for caution, etc.
Cumulative fouls or PA infraction by defence results in PK as you would expect. MISL stylee. Kicker on line, can dribble, keeper can rush, etc.
One of the clubs has the ball live on a PK on the whistle! Despite us all telling them this is clearly the wrong procedure.
<sigh>
Tarheel Ref
18 Jan 2008, 11:22 AM
Im famous ^^^^
Just one thing, in IL, if your sub is not at the line before the ball is out, there is NO EXCEPTION to your substitution. If you run on as its going out, the referee will be like "hey john was he there?" "no" "keep him off".
Apparently substitution procedures like that are taken very seriously in IHSA
Yeah I knew who he was talking about...'course I also almost fell over when I read about that "rush the kicker on a PK" rule!:D
Maybe NFHS could come up with something this specific on the whole shinguard issue someday..and then make it a directive nationwide so the standard could maybe possibly be the same for everyone and therefore not a hassle to deal with before EVERY match...:cool: sure...
dumpnrun
18 Jan 2008, 01:46 PM
I was posting on a different thread about a rule that died a peaceful death in the early '70's in NJ HS where the winning team in a tie game was determined by the number of corners won.....
And then our young friend had posted that in a state playoff game a keeper can charge the shooter in Illinois.
Anybody else got a wierd one?
R
It is my understanding that in Illinois.the movement by the keeper on a PK is for sudden victory tie breakers only, or kicks from the spot and not for regular PKs
http://www.ihsa.org/activity/sob/2007-08/tie-breaker.pdf
campton
18 Jan 2008, 08:11 PM
It is my understanding that in Illinois.the movement by the keeper on a PK is for sudden victory tie breakers only, or kicks from the spot and not for regular PKs
http://www.ihsa.org/activity/sob/2007-08/tie-breaker.pdf
Not as it was enforced in a game i watched. AFter the two periods of extra time the goalkeeper could rush them all. Either way its completely stupid.
goodsir
18 Jan 2008, 08:39 PM
We have are blessed to have two great indoor complexes, both awesome, the new one opened last year and is fantastic.
Anyhoo, we have three or four clubs that run tournaments with all the usual rules, three lines, no punting, ceiling net, back or side nets results in kick-in, CK or GK, all kicks are direct, two mins out for caution, etc.
Cumulative fouls or PA infraction by defence results in PK as you would expect. MISL stylee. Kicker on line, can dribble, keeper can rush, etc.
One of the clubs has the ball live on a PK on the whistle! Despite us all telling them this is clearly the wrong procedure.
<sigh>
why aren't they playing Futsal then?
Sagy
19 Jan 2008, 01:27 PM
In a local league here (I think up to U12), there is a rule that during the playoffs if a game goes to extra time or PK shootout, the GK is not allowed to use hands at all (you basically plat with 11 field players and no GK).
Another rule change is that up to some age (I think 9, but I can't remember which) the ref is not allowed to call PKs.
CalNorth Pride
19 Jan 2008, 02:19 PM
Not as it was enforced in a game i watched. AFter the two periods of extra time the goalkeeper could rush them all. Either way its completely stupid.
Oh thank you for posting that... I needed a good laugh this morning. Those joke/faux websites look so real these days. Man that would be hilarious if any high school federation took such ridiculous and stupid liberties with the LOTG. I mean the rule changes as they are now presently are so stupid, this would take the cake. That sounds almost as silly as having a referee assignor who has NO experience in soccer or referee but is actually a football guy. Good to know none of this would ever happen though ;)
andymoss
19 Jan 2008, 07:17 PM
why aren't they playing Futsal then?
Not sure I understand the question, but they are turf fields. We have futsal at other facilities.
Just remembered some more - in adult co-ed, a player who scores more than three goals per game is cautioned and 'sin-binned' for two minutes. The idea being to stop the better players and teams from dominating.
No slide tackling - makes sense on turf for kids, but some leagues have no sliding. Period.
This is the older arena. The new one has 8' plexiglass walls all round.
http://www.brentwoodsoccerclub.com/imgs/indoor/arenaside%255B1%255D.jpg
nonya
20 Jan 2008, 08:59 AM
The dumbest rule change I ever heard of was allowing two referees on the field with whistles.
IASocFan
20 Jan 2008, 10:15 AM
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No slide tackling - makes sense on turf for kids, but some leagues have no sliding. Period.
No slide tackling makes a lot of sense when you get older, and your objective is to get some excersice and be able to walk at work the next day. In our indoor arena, no slide tackling is allowed for any age group. Also outdoors, it's not allowed in our over 40 and co-ed leagues.
Tarheel Ref
20 Jan 2008, 01:01 PM
The dumbest rule change I ever heard of was allowing two referees on the field with whistles.
Then it would be even dumber to allow three referees on the field with whistles!
andymoss
20 Jan 2008, 01:50 PM
No slide tackling makes a lot of sense when you get older, and your objective is to get some excersice and be able to walk at work the next day. In our indoor arena, no slide tackling is allowed for any age group. Also outdoors, it's not allowed in our over 40 and co-ed leagues.
I maybe didn't explain myself very well. No sliding. At all. At anytime. Even if no other player is within 20 yds.
We too have no slide tackling for the O30 rec guys.
Wreave
21 Jan 2008, 01:50 PM
Then it would be even dumber to allow three referees on the field with whistles!
Amen.
RIP 3-whistle.
refontherun
21 Jan 2008, 05:05 PM
In the NFHS Pre-season Guide, they have the new basis for the interpretation of offside. In the past, if torsos were even, no offside. The change states to now use the head and shoulders to determing offside. The last paragraph states that, with the new interpretation, NCAA, NFHS, and FIFA all now agree on the interpretation.
The problem is, they use the same picture for both the old and new interpretation and state that the attacker's head and shoulder in the second picture are "clearly" ahead of the defender. However, according to FIFA, the defenders trail foot (the line demostrating offside position runs throught his foot), being ahead of the attackers head and shoulder, would be the determining factor as to whether the attacker were legal or not. Even without the foot, the call in PlayPic B could go either way.
Tarheel Ref
21 Jan 2008, 07:23 PM
And so...we fall back on the greatest 6 words in the LOTG...ITOOTR. (OK 7 words...ITOOTassistantR)
dmain
21 Jan 2008, 08:04 PM
I maybe didn't explain myself very well. No sliding. At all. At anytime. Even if no other player is within 20 yds.
We too have no slide tackling for the O30 rec guys.
my son plays at a indoor facility where if the player only falls down not even a tackle or a slide they call a penalty and award a free kick to the other team.
In another facility where I play we can still pass back to the keeper and he/she can play it with their hands as long as you are in your own defensive third of the feild. At times I hate this but if the league gets unbalanced talent wise it is a little bit of an equalizer.
falcon.7
21 Jan 2008, 08:59 PM
my son plays at a indoor facility where if the player only falls down not even a tackle or a slide they call a penalty and award a free kick to the other team.
Are you speaking figuratively, as in basketball refs moonlight there, or literally, as in that's what the rules say? Because if its #2, I'd be willing to fly out there to smack the owners upside the head and say, "NO! Bad owner!"
On a related note, I was doing an indoor tournament this weekend, and in one of the games I did, this coach from (MA?) behind me says to one of his players after she complained to him about being bumped, "Well then fall down! You're Italian, you know how to fall." All in jest of course, he was losing 13-2.