Big Sam Officially Out...

[mplsTOON]

I'm shocked how upset I'm about this decision.:mad:

I care about this club too much. Why bother?

YOu're upset?! you don't say...:) try sarcasm and parody, much better on the aorta in the long run; and because at this point only a ninja can save this club.

http://www.robodan.com/graphics/Screens/Ninja.jpg

[Dirt McGirt]

Or how 'bout Rodman? He's still out of work too.

http://espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/metro_dennis_rodman.jpg

Keep on chuckling you scouse troll because Benitez is next.

[THOMA GOL]

One thing: I have a recommendation that will help out in a decision for the next Gaffer. I reckon anyone who is stupid, er, willing enough to have a go at this calliope we call NUFC must be:

a masochist,
have an immense ego,
be clinically insane.


As fans and followers, I guess we are the ones being whipped? This Master and Servant Strangelove with this club makes a person the King of Pain.

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[CCSC_STRIKER20]

Keep on chuckling you scouse troll because Benitez is next.

I'm not trolling, I was joking. :o

Sorry. I can actually understand some of your frustration, because I really don't know how I would react if Benitez got sacked, being that I am a big Rafa supporter.

I am actually a fan of Big Sam, liked what he did at Bolton. I thought, given time and a chance to develop his team, that he would have done better than he did this season at Newcastle. The problem is, with Liverpool as well, that many people (supporters, owners, etc) think that given money and a new manager a team should be able to win within a year or two. Which is just not the case, and it will hardly ever be the case.

Sorry again if I offended anyone. I am not trolling. Understand that at least.

[CCSC_STRIKER20]

YOu're upset?! you don't say...:) try sarcasm and parody, much better on the aorta in the long run; and because at this point only a ninja can save this club.

http://www.robodan.com/graphics/Screens/Ninja.jpg

I like your thinking. That's what I have been doing lately.

[Toon³]

Although I was never a fan of Allardyce from his appointment his "departure" at this point just baffles me. I really do not know why he has been let go. I would have at least given him to then end of the season since nothing else can be achieved this season. I cannot see who in their right mind would come and manage Newcastle.

Yet another fine mess we've got ourself into

[Dirt McGirt]

Sorry again if I offended anyone. I am not trolling. Understand that at least.Sorry I'm really pissed off at the direction of the club.

[Shameus]

manager (http://nufcblog.com/2008/01/10/newcastle-news/we-expect-newcastle-manager-appointment-today/)

The guys at nufcblog.com put on their detective hat and figure on it being either Ol'Arry or Hughes. Annnnnnnnnd that he will be named Thursday.

[timeEd32]

manager (http://nufcblog.com/2008/01/10/newcastle-news/we-expect-newcastle-manager-appointment-today/)

The guys at nufcblog.com put on their detective hat and figure on it being either Ol'Arry or Hughes. Annnnnnnnnd that he will be named Thursday.

I like that site because it gets updated quickly, so if you were away from any news for awhile you can get caught up to speed without searching around. I appreciate his effort, but he has no sources or inside info and he has some incredibly dumb thoughts sometimes. I hope there is an announcement tomorrow, but it's just pure speculation and wishful thinking on his part.

[Dirt McGirt]

New manager speculation (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=13603634#post13603634)

I'm bored of talking about Big Sam so I'm searching the interweb for rumors about who's replacing him.

This thread is the postmortem, come to above thread for discussion on the future.

[tigerdave]

If the tabloids are to believed, this was not a move that was in the works for weeks, and Sam never saw it coming (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article670701.ece). It was over the transfer kitty and Ashley flipped when Sam asked for more than eight million (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/30986/No-time-no-help-and-no-chance).

[ToonUSA]

Phil McNulty, BBC Sport (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A30900980?s_fromedit=1&s_typedarticle=edit&s_type=15&s_sport=football) on Newcastle's latest laughingstock moment



He's completely right. Newcastle fans, generally, have an overinflated view of themselves and their club. They demand entertaining football above all else and expect that in doing that they'll win. But, there's a reason the song goes 1-0 to the Arsenal. And there's a reason Chelsea ground out win after win in taking two straight Premier League titles and nearly a third. We might as well be Delusions of Grandeur FC. Get a manager who will get wins, no matter the tactics no matter the cost.

If we ever want to be anything more than the butt of jokes throughout the football world, we have to change the culture. That's something Sam was doing, without the results. It's up to Ashley to find someone who will continue Sam's work but get results. Anything else will be a big mistake, and we'll be in no better shape than when the fat ******** was in charge.

To be honest if Newcastle United has done anything to me it has made me fickle, and rather miserable during the winter and spring seasons. We could win 34 games 1-0 for all I care. Attractive soccer is not that important as long as we have a decent effort and win.

[LFCFan8585]

LOL, it was expected. I am not a fan of Newcastle, but i find this disappointing and have sympathy for both the manager and fans of the club.

Hopefully a high calibre manager who will be liked will be appointed this time.

I read speculation that settled managers like redknapp linked, utter rubbish why would he want to deal with this mess?? portsmouth are doing very good in the league. if you guys let sam leave, what is there to say redknapp is safe??? :rolleyes:

ruling out non british is foolish. I see Martin Jol as the favourite in my opinion

[LFCFan8585]

Only way he is going to entice someone worth a darn to leave their current club is to offer a King's Ransom in Transfer funds.

my feelings, add to that a large contract because theres no job security

all football jobs have no job security, but this one is one of the real hot seat to take over.

[mplsTOON]

all football jobs have no job security, but this one is one of the real hot seat to take over.

Which is why I think the "English only need apply" Gaffer is a smoke screen.

Lets play a game shall we?

Which league is known for the most passionate, fickle, opinionated fans who are born with ridiculous expectations, demand for attractive football and overly grandiose sense of selves and clubs?

Which league breeds autocratic managers with short term success timeframes, thick skins, immense egos and who can handle the expectations of fans, owners and a hyper critical media that examines them like mono cellular organisms and who bays for their heads when they fail?

Which league embraces ruthless owners who control nearly every aspect of life their clubs, making decisions and dumping money like they are playing FIFA Manager 2008 and Grand Theft Auto at the same time while balancing the financial success of their "vision" in the face of a rabid fan base and fickle, critical media?

Why Italian Serie "A" of course.

NUFC is more Italian than English. Hence an Italian Gaffer, or one that has put up with the chaotic insanity of Serie A with success, would fit wonderfully.

[timeEd32]

Not a bad thought Beardsley's Love Child...;)

[JaredSS07]

Which is why I think the "English only need apply" Gaffer is a smoke screen.

Lets play a game shall we?

Which league is known for the most passionate, fickle, opinionated fans who are born with ridiculous expectations, demand for attractive football and overly grandiose sense of selves and clubs?

Which league breeds autocratic managers with short term success timeframes, thick skins, immense egos and who can handle the expectations of fans, owners and a hyper critical media that examines them like mono cellular organisms and who bays for their heads when they fail?

Which league embraces ruthless owners who control nearly every aspect of life their clubs, making decisions and dumping money like they are playing FIFA Manager 2008 and Grand Theft Auto at the same time while balancing the financial success of their "vision" in the face of a rabid fan base and fickle, critical media?

Why Italian Serie "A" of course.

NUFC is more Italian than English. Hence an Italian Gaffer, or one that has put up with the chaotic insanity of Serie A with success, would fit wonderfully.

Someone rep this guy.

I agree that the English only is either smoke screen (like saying Sam's job was never on the line) or a media idea because of Freddy's British preference.

[drc003]

This is something that happens in business when there is a takeover. The fact is Big Sam was hired by Freddy Shepherd and was going to be seen as his man and a leftover of his time in charge. If he didn't have very strong results he was going to go. In many cases he wouldn't have been given the time that he was. When you take over a struggling business you must put your stamp on things at the top. This is what is now going to happen. I for one am in no way surprised and hope that the new owner will prove to be as wise in choosing leadership for the club as he has in his other business endeavors.

Go Magpies!

[Jimbo Asprilla]

This was posted on the bbc website, sums up the Allardyce situation perfectly in my opinion.

So Sam Allardyce has become the latest managerial casualty at Newcastle. I thought about choking over my coffee when I heard the news but then decided against it.

For while a manager being sacked after just eight months would be shocking news at most other clubs, only at Newcastle can we take the news with a sigh, a puff of the cheeks, and a tut or a smile depending on your allegiances towards Big Sam.

We've been here before of course. Many times. Though this time perhaps the surprise is slightly greater for the sheer fact that Big Sam brought with him a long-term plan, something that appeared to have been swept under the carpet ever since Sir John Hall wondered aloud that a team of 11 Geordies would be rather nice.

Granted the football has been a bit of a shambles this season. Let's not get away from the fact. Any team that struggles to score goals when Michael Owen is up front has to be doing something wrong. Allardyce also spent so long concentrating on defence that he forgot we had no one in midfield with the simple ability to pass a ball through the middle. Watching Michael Owen run channels, and Viduka just not run, is not a great combination when you're looking to finish off games.

Lazy critics may mock the defence time and time again, but for me, the greatest problem was that lack of creativity in midfield. The way Man City's Elano opened us up time and time again at the City of Machester stadium earlier this season only rammed home exactly what we lacked. It was a masterclass that the likes of Alan Smith and Joey Barton could only aspire to.

My early pre-season optimism surrounding the blossoming career of young Aussie midfielder James Troisi disappeared faster than the plane carrying him to Roda JC this week.

And which first team players have we been linked with so far in January? Defensive midfielders and central defenders. You don't unlock a door by buying a padlock.

That to me was Allardyce's biggest downfall. No wonder he played a long-ball game. Bypassing midfield wasn't actually a bad option, especially when his most creative midfielder was being played at left-back.

His signings have been suspect too. Decent wheeling and dealing saw him land Viduka, Faye and Beye on the cheap, but the real money signings like Joey Barton, Jose Enrique and Alan Smith simply haven't worked for a whole variety of reasons.

And the gutless performances against Wigan and Derby in December simply was as bad as it has got since the Latics knocked out Graeme Souness' side from the League Cup a couple of years ago.

With Allardyce's priority appearing to be to stop the opposition first and foremost, rather than making them worry about our strengths first, his reign at Newcastle would always be limited. You cannot go to Reading or Sunderland looking for a draw. Even teams below us in the league would be plotting the downfall of these teams, rather than looking for a 0-0 draw like we did.

Draw first, and a win is a bonus. That appeared to be the mentality, and that simply is not what people pay their money to see. Not here, not anywhere.

A team boasting the likes of Duff, Owen, N'Zog, Viduka, Milner, Barton, Martins is simply not set up to grind out 0-0 draws.

Allardyce was fixated on defending, when the attack was crying out for some attention.

Allowing Allardyce to leave after just eight months was probably just putting an end to the inevitable long-term. Sure, it doesn't feel quite right to get rid of a manager so soon, but will anyone shed a tear if it means N'Zogbia playing at left-wing, Milner on the right, and Martins and Owen upfront?

[drc003]

Jimbo, that story is spot on in my opinion as well.