View Full Version : Do national team players get paid?
azzurricalcio
31 Jul 2003, 05:26 PM
If so.....
do they get paid more for the World Cup than they do other games?
How much do they get paid for national team duty?
Just curious.....thanks for answering.
efren95
31 Jul 2003, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by azzurricalcio
If so.....
do they get paid more for the World Cup than they do other games?
How much do they get paid for national team duty?
Just curious.....thanks for answering.
Of course, they do.
And in the case the Mexican team --behaving like primadonnas, divas or vedettes-- they would not play unless bonuses and "primas" are established beforehand...
There is very little country love and pride in the Mexican team.
BTW, each player received $10.000 dlls. after the Gold Cup.
TxFan
04 Aug 2003, 09:10 PM
let's not single out one team...yeah, its not just the Mexican team and not just soccer... I remember tiger woods and other members of the US Ryder Cup team asking for compensation as well. just pathetic. i would love to wear gear that said "USA" on it and represent my country...
Nate2L
04 Aug 2003, 09:22 PM
TxFan while you would love to wear the colors, as would I, but wouldn't you at least want compensation for the air fair to the training sesson. do players get compensation for it or do they pay there own way then get paid for playing.
Germanshepherd
05 Aug 2003, 09:52 AM
The german players would have received 500.000 € per player if they would have won the World Cup.
Morpheus1271
05 Aug 2003, 10:06 AM
All players deserve compensation for participating in matches. Whether at the club level or internationally in tournaments or Cup events don't they?
I mean, the sponsors make money, the networks make money, so why not the players? The ones who allow the sponsors and networks to make money.
I'm not saying that they should be greedy, not at all. But to think that they should just want to play to wear the U.S.A. on their jersey or Mexico or Germany (et al) due to pride and forego any request for compensation is short-sighted and idealistic really.
They play for the love of the game but a product is put on the field and sold. They (the players) take on many roles; the product, the salesperson, the spokesperson, etc...
It's only fitting to compensate them.
AvidSinger
05 Aug 2003, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by Morpheus1271
But to think that they should just want to play to wear the U.S.A. on their jersey or Mexico or Germany (et al) due to pride and forego any request for compensation is short-sighted and idealistic really.We have no trouble filling Olympic squads, and they don't get paid.
trmbrasil
05 Aug 2003, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by Germanshepherd
The german players would have received 500.000 € per player if they would have won the World Cup.
So what did they get for 2nd? 250,000?
Germanshepherd
05 Aug 2003, 10:11 AM
Alone the fact of being a national team player raises the value of a player that much that there wouldn`t be an additional payment necessary.
Germanshepherd
05 Aug 2003, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by trmbrasil
So what did they get for 2nd? 250,000?
I don`t know exactly, but something not far away from that.
trmbrasil
05 Aug 2003, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by AvidSinger
We have no trouble filling Olympic squads, and they don't get paid.
Not true...It's not like Olympic athletes get paid mountains of cash, but many of them receive support from the USOC (or their sport federation) so they can train (and eat and pay rent, etc..)
For many individual athletes (swimming, track) and team sports out of the mainstream (water polo, field hockey, handball, etc) there is typically a baseline stipend per year. How much that stipend is depends on the time in the Olympic cycle (i.e. two years before Olympics yield more money, than two years after), and ranking in world of athlete or team (past medals = more money, as does a world championship medal leading up to Olympics).
The exact specifics vary from sport to sport and their federations, but this is generally how it works based on information given to me by friends who benefit from these stipends. Again, they aren't getting rich, but they are getting paid. Some athletes work at Home Depot and with other companies that sponsor athletes and offer them flexible, part-time jobs so they can train and compete.
AvidSinger
05 Aug 2003, 10:55 AM
I've known quite a few Olympians. Most of them get their income via sponsorships. One hammer thrower I knew quite well in college signed a Nike contract worth six figures.
Team sports such as basketball, football, etc. in which players already make a ton of money elsewhere do not pay players.
trmbrasil
05 Aug 2003, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by AvidSinger
I've known quite a few Olympians. Most of them get their income via sponsorships. One hammer thrower I knew quite well in college signed a Nike contract worth six figures.
Team sports such as basketball, football, etc. in which players already make a ton of money elsewhere do not pay players.
Maybe we are making the same point, in a different fashion?? You said simply that Olympic athletes aren't paid and just happy to wear the red, white and blue. The truth is they are certianly proud to represent the USA, BUT they also get paid to varying degrees.
I know several Olympians as well, and as I tried to describe concisely above, it varies from sport to sport. Not every athlete has the opportunity to get a Nike sponsorship. Track and Field has a professional circuit that is fairly lucrative for top athletes, and Nike is a big sponsor. Professional swimming, on the other hand, has never really taken off to the same affect. Top swimmers rely on sponsors smaller than Nike and stipends. Individual sport federations work in conjunction with USOC to try and help out the athletes as much as possible.
A good comparison of Olympic athletes outside of big money pro sports: Jenny Thompson gets money for swimming, both from sponsors (speedo, etc..) and from USOC for great performances and multiple medals. A kayaker that makes the US team, doesn't fare as well, but does have some options and access to stipends and subsidized work to help with training and competition demands.
To the original post - what does USSF do for National Team Players?
former baller
05 Aug 2003, 11:28 AM
What about the free abuse of the USA major college sports athletes. Millions and millions of dollars by pass these servants, while landing in the coufers of Uninversities, T.V. companies, Product Sponsors, Stadium facilities and Promoters, franchise concessionaires. Even damn parking lot attendants at these events make money.
This to me is a crime. The same number of players on a University team as a professional team. The same amount of fans in the stadium for college as for pros. The same t.v. contracts, the same sponsorhip contracts. In professional major sports players are paid millions. In major college sports they are mislead(taken advantage of) into playing for honor and the privilege of bull shite.
This is truly a crime! Pimping! Living off the sweat labor of another, paying little or no compensation. Collusion exists between administrators/NCAA powers to keep the system and avoid change that may correct the galring violations of labor compensation abuse.
Really this is shite!
trmbrasil
05 Aug 2003, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by former baller
What about the free abuse of the USA major college sports athletes. Millions and millions of dollars by pass these servants, while landing in the coufers of Uninversities, T.V. companies, Product Sponsors, Stadium facilities and Promoters, franchise concessionaires. Even damn parking lot attendants at these events make money.
This to me is a crime. The same number of players on a University team as a professional team. The same amount of fans in the stadium for college as for pros. The same t.v. contracts, the same sponsorhip contracts. In professional major sports players are paid millions. In major college sports they are mislead(taken advantage of) into playing for honor and the privilege of bull shite.
This is truly a crime! Pimping! Living off the sweat labor of another, paying little or no compensation. Collusion exists between administrators/NCAA powers to keep the system and avoid change that may correct the galring violations of labor compensation abuse.
Really this is shite!
Knowingly taking this further off topic here are a few responses:
1) Many of these "servants" you describe are also receiving a free education through scholarships. At a private university these days, that is around a $100k value and about half of that for a state university. Remember there are alot of students that don't get scholarships and would not call this a worthless benefit.
2) The collegiate sports that truly earn revenue are Football (American style), and sometimes basketball depending on the school. Most other sports operate in the red, and the Athletic Dept. has to raise endowments for the scholarships all the time.
3) All major american professional leagues, outside of the NFL, (NBA, NHL, MLB, MLS) have at least some opportunity for an athlete to go directly to the league from high school. The ones who succeed at doing this, are usually the ones who could also lay claim to the sort of gripes you are making. One hopes that these athletes make an informed decision between school and the pros, but it doesn't always happen.
4) I agree with you to a point, that the schools could do a little something more for athletes short of paying them. But where do you draw a line without making a complete mockery of the idea of student/athlete?
former baller
05 Aug 2003, 12:13 PM
[trmbrasil]
You are making the same arguments the NCAA and the "users" who don't want to pay the young people, make to protect the enormous somes of money in major college sports for themselves and their employers.
It is a story similar to those less than honest tabacco manufactures told for years.(deception, mislead) The facts are they keep the money!(period) Fat bellied, middle aged administrators from coast to coast that get rid of the labor force of athelets every four years and replenishes with more free labor. This labor pays for the administrators cars, their mortgages, sky boxes, airline and hotel annual expenses, etc.
Why the hell do you think they take the time to fly all over the country to "recruit" (talk) these kids into working for free. It is a business, a racket!
If you ever recruit a worker you will find it is very similar efforts on your part as the recruiter except you would probably have to pay your worker.
Perhaps you feel there is something noble in some poor kids working for free to satisfy your entertainment. While you eat your popcorn and slap high fives with your buds watching him sweat and labor. Perhaps you think it is noble when your neighbors kid or maybe you buy your favorite players' jersey or the University baseball cap, your life is just special.
The adminstrators love you guys and want to sell you more and invite you back for more games. That helps pay for their big cars and family vactions, 401k's, investments and helps them try to land that bigger better job elswhere.
Administrators blow smoke over your eyes regarding the free labor they use (I mean, student atheltes), whom they offer food, a room to sleep in and as many classes as they can fit behind their main job of making money for the school.
Suppose we just stop paying child actors in movies and just give them a scholarship! Suppose we made them work in 40 movies a year that just filled the stadiums from coast to coast. Let's also air their movies on T.V. so a wider audience of commercial advertisers could pimp off of them to make money. Of course we are not going to pay these kids, where would we draw the line?
That doesn't seem nearly fair to me.
Reasons for not paying America's major college athletes is a long running smoke screen of bull crap they shovel to cover up their abuse of these athletes thouroughly avoiding compensating them justly.
hemariva
10 Aug 2003, 07:48 PM
Maybe if a student/athlete were so bent out of shape about not getting paid, they should just not play. However, I don't hear of anyone quitting because they aren't earning any money.
However, the NCAA is a B.S. organization. Anyone read Rick Reilly's take on the Utah basketball ordeal?
HinchaDeRiver
12 Aug 2003, 09:57 AM
No they just get gear from thier teams sponser. 5 addidas windbrakers.....of course they get paid...with money not disney land tickets
o_l_coach
14 Aug 2003, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by former baller
You are making the same arguments the NCAA and the "users" who don't want to pay the young people, make to protect the enormous somes of money in major college sports for themselves and their employers.
The enormous sums of money you talk about go to support the non-revenue sports. The only sports that even stand a chance of making money are football & men's basketball. Most other sports don't generate enough revenue to pay for ONE scholarship, let alone the whole program.
You want to pay athletes? You will terminate every other sport but football & basketball. You will make the cuts that have come due to balancing scholarship numbers to comply with Title IX look like the good old days.
Originally posted by former baller
This labor pays for the administrators cars, their mortgages, sky boxes, airline and hotel annual expenses, etc.
Why the hell do you think they take the time to fly all over the country to "recruit" (talk) these kids into working for free. It is a business, a racket!
It is a business. You play a sport, you get the opportunity for a free education.
Originally posted by former baller
Perhaps you think it is noble when your neighbors kid or maybe you buy your favorite players' jersey or the University baseball cap, your life is just special.
This one makes sense. If people want to wear the jersey of their favorite player, the athlete should receive a percentage.
oakydoaks
15 Aug 2003, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by hemariva
However, the NCAA is a B.S. organization.
I agree.
you can't buy anything for your student/athlete friend. (Lebron James - Maurice Clarett)