Players who never got enough credit

[squidward123]

Generally speaking, I don't think Neeskens is that underrated but he is when compared to Cryuff, Van Basten, Gullit, Rijkaard and Bergkamp.

exactly, and he shouldn't, when be compared to the last 4


The last three belong to this thread but not Der Kaiser. No way! The only people that don't give him credit are newbies, EPL fanboys and anti-Germans.

(Refer back to what I wrote about him)

So you're saying that people nowadays who do not research properly, and have not watched his games, and are not from that time, straight away know what I wrote about how he played?


He should have stayed in Italy longer. He loved playing against Italian clubs when he was with Dortmund. I hate him for that!

He did...

I can't believe that some people, when naming a post 1992 european XI name ballack ahead of him as options?!....

Oh, how about Littbarski as another player who doesn't get enough credit these days.

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bebeto

[squidward123]

bebeto

yup. good call

[dor02]

So you're saying that people nowadays who do not research properly, and have not watched his games, and are not from that time, straight away know what I wrote about how he played?No, not quite. Even if a person's knowledge of Franz is limited, they should at least know that most people rate him as great and not try to be ignorant just because of where he is from. Politics should not be considered in these issues.

Oh, how about Littbarski as another player who doesn't get enough credit these days.He did win a World Cup yet he fits in here, especially as some of West Germany's best went to play in Italy but he didn't and the Serie A was the number one league at the time. Not only that, Koln wasn't a Bayern Munich. Then again, most teams in Germany aren't but at least the likes of Hamburg and Werder Bremen won trophies in Europe.

bebetoEspecially when compared to Romario and Ronaldo, the other two great Brazilian strikers of the 90s.

[Seaside Mafia]

I'm not talking players who are necassarily underrated, but just guys who never got enough credit. The first few names that come to my head are:
Franco Baresi: Probably the best player in the history of Milan, but no one knows it.
Didier Deschamps: I doubt France could have won it in '98 without him, he was the captain, yet everyone talks about Zidane.
Jinky Johnstone: Possibly one of the best wingers out of Britain, a hero for Celtic.
Any additions?

A few players who always struck me as better than they were given credit for:

Davie Cooper, Rangers - not really given much credit outside Scotland. However, he was a genius. Rug Gullit recently had him in his All-Time Team, which implies he wasn't under-rated by his peers.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=js4PK73nIRs&feature=related

Thomas Doll - when Paul Gascoigne moved to Lazio, English TV started covering their games. Gascoigne was injured for most of the season, but Thomas Doll was the real star of the team. A really dynamic player.

Paolo Futre - Complete genius, yet rarely mentioned.

Matthew Le Tissier - I've banged on about him before on these boards, so won't do so again.

Jonny van T'schip (spelling??) - many years ago I was given a video of "The Best European Goals". It had a selection of goals scored by this guy. What a fantastic selection they were. The only goals I've seen as good were by Saint Matt (above).

Shay Given - consistently one of if not the best keeper in the Prem. What the hell's he still doing at Newcastle?

[Cool Rob]

I know he's not "under the radar," but Dennis Bergkamp. The guy was absoultely phenominal for a long time 1994 World Cup/Arsenal, a beautiful player to watch. Mesmorizing creativity. Unfortunately, his legacy seems to be in the shadow of Zidane, the other creative European international, and Theirry Henry at Arsenal.

I would also like to add Antonio Conte, a longtime Juventus player in the 1990's. He had an incredible knack for saving Juve, one of the great, underrated inspirational figures.

[frasermc]

A few players who always struck me as better than they were given credit for:

Davie Cooper, Rangers - not really given much credit outside Scotland. However, he was a genius. Rug Gullit recently had him in his All-Time Team, which implies he wasn't under-rated by his peers.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=js4PK73nIRs&feature=related

Thomas Doll - when Paul Gascoigne moved to Lazio, English TV started covering their games. Gascoigne was injured for most of the season, but Thomas Doll was the real star of the team. A really dynamic player.

Paolo Futre - Complete genius, yet rarely mentioned.

Matthew Le Tissier - I've banged on about him before on these boards, so won't do so again.

Jonny van T'schip (spelling??) - many years ago I was given a video of "The Best European Goals". It had a selection of goals scored by this guy. What a fantastic selection they were. The only goals I've seen as good were by Saint Matt (above).

Shay Given - consistently one of if not the best keeper in the Prem. What the hell's he still doing at Newcastle?

one of the best posts on this thread.

i fear that this thread has gone from being "players who never get enough credit" to "players who never quite made a top 10 list in the world".

i've seen a lot of names mentioned, not them all, but a lot that to me i'd always thought received plenty of credit. especially at the time they were playing.

[squidward123]

No, not quite. Even if a person's knowledge of Franz is limited, they should at least know that most people rate him as great and not try to be ignorant just because of where he is from. Politics should not be considered in these issues.

I've never seen anyone not rate him as a great alongside Pele and Maradona because of where he's from or any other reason, but they always rate him as a centre-back, which is nothing like what his game was like.

[dor02]

A few players who always struck me as better than they were given credit for:

Davie Cooper, Rangers - not really given much credit outside Scotland. However, he was a genius. Rug Gullit recently had him in his All-Time Team, which implies he wasn't under-rated by his peers.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=js4PK73nIRs&feature=related

Thomas Doll - when Paul Gascoigne moved to Lazio, English TV started covering their games. Gascoigne was injured for most of the season, but Thomas Doll was the real star of the team. A really dynamic player.

Paolo Futre - Complete genius, yet rarely mentioned.

Matthew Le Tissier - I've banged on about him before on these boards, so won't do so again.

Jonny van T'schip (spelling??) - many years ago I was given a video of "The Best European Goals". It had a selection of goals scored by this guy. What a fantastic selection they were. The only goals I've seen as good were by Saint Matt (above).

Shay Given - consistently one of if not the best keeper in the Prem. What the hell's he still doing at Newcastle?Good list.

Futre would be up there with Eusebio and Figo as Portugal's greatest players but after he left Atletico Madrid, he battled with injuries.

Given has to be up there with the world's best goalkeepers but staying at Newcastle hasn't enhanced his reputation.

i've seen a lot of names mentioned, not them all, but a lot that to me i'd always thought received plenty of credit. especially at the time they were playing.There have been a number of players who have been classified as underrated but in comparision to other players who received greater praise. I listed Jari Litmanen in my first post in this thread and despite what he won at Ajax, he still isn't rated very highly when it comes to discussing the all-time greats. He hasn't retired yet but in his prime, he was up there with some of the world's best.

Conte is underrated. Most workhorses are anyway. He should ahve played more at USA 94, not Nicola Berti.

[Massimo_Oddo]

Fiore never got an recognition

[Massimo_Oddo]

and Vieri

[glennaldo_sf]

Here's one for Premiership afficianados... Andy Cole... actually had a better goal / game ratio than Alan Shearer, when penalties are discounted.. Was simply awesome for Newcastle & Manchester United but never quite gets the same sort of recognition as strikers such as Shearer & Henry

[Massimo_Oddo]

Here's one for Premiership afficianados... Andy Cole... actually had a better goal / game ratio than Alan Shearer, when penalties are discounted.. Was simply awesome for Newcastle & Manchester United but never quite gets the same sort of recognition as strikers such as Shearer & Henry

Well i suppose thats because he never really did much on the international stage for England whereas Shearer did.

[glennaldo_sf]

Well i suppose thats because he never really did much on the international stage for England whereas Shearer did.

That's exactly why I said he's for 'premiership afficianados'. He's one of those players.. legendary at club level - but never managed to transfer that to national team form... Ian Wright, Andy Cole, Matt Le Tissier just to name a few.

[Massimo_Oddo]

That's exactly why I said he's for 'premiership afficianados'. He's one of those players.. legendary at club level - but never managed to transfer that to national team form... Ian Wright, Andy Cole, Matt Le Tissier just to name a few.

but to be fair, in the premiership he only managed to get over 20 goals on one ocassion, whereas Shearer did this on numerous occasions. He was excellent in the CL though.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Shearer always played more games though, while Cole was usually rotated. Plus Cole struck over 20 league goals in consecutive seasons.

[Massimo_Oddo]

Shearer always played more games though, while Cole was usually rotated. Plus Cole struck over 20 league goals in consecutive seasons.

which seasons were they?

[Teso Dos Bichos]

93/94 & 94/95

[Massimo_Oddo]

was that when he moved to man utd in between?

[Teso Dos Bichos]

The latter season was split between Newcastle and Man Utd.