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rochester rhinos
26 Dec 2007, 10:43 AM
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frasermc
26 Dec 2007, 10:45 AM
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good call.
i forgot all about de rossi ;)
rochester rhinos
26 Dec 2007, 10:47 AM
good call.
i forgot all about de rossi ;)Y do u hate MCGOD
rochester rhinos
26 Dec 2007, 10:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yic2CEqkfaU
frasermc
26 Dec 2007, 03:00 PM
Y do u hate MCGOD
i don't hate mcbride. i just don't think he's as good as you like to make him out to be.
still, fanboys are allowed to over exaggerate i suppose. :)
Real Ray
26 Dec 2007, 03:26 PM
Just Fontaine
People sometimes just see his World Cup scoring mark and think that's all that he was about. I don't hear enough about his club performance. Look at his career numbers:
http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/FootballFicheJoueur12302.html
Look at '56-'60. The guy was a machine.
Moishe
26 Dec 2007, 05:53 PM
i don't hate mcbride. i just don't think he's as good as you like to make him out to be.
still, fanboys are allowed to over exaggerate i suppose. :)
From a somewhat neutrals perspective to say McBride doesn't get enough credit is about two years old. He is a very solid and opportunistic player that always seems to score a big or needed gol. The past couple of EPL seasons he's been talked about in a very respected manner and it's clear he's been missed at Fulham. Spazzos will be spazzos but McBride is definitely the Nad most worthy of recognition in my opinion.
frasermc
26 Dec 2007, 06:53 PM
From a somewhat neutrals perspective to say McBride doesn't get enough credit is about two years old. He is a very solid and opportunistic player that always seems to score a big or needed gol. The past couple of EPL seasons he's been talked about in a very respected manner and it's clear he's been missed at Fulham. Spazzos will be spazzos but McBride is definitely the Nad most worthy of recognition in my opinion.
i'm not suggesting he's a bad player but i don't think he needs to be on a thread about players that don't get enough credit.
and if the guy really does believe he doesn't get enough credit then pray tell us why rather than posting two still pics of the man.
Moishe
26 Dec 2007, 07:15 PM
i'm not suggesting he's a bad player but i don't think he needs to be on a thread about players that don't get enough credit.
and if the guy really does believe he doesn't get enough credit then pray tell us why rather than posting two still pics of the man.
Oh I definitely never took what you said in the context of bad-mouthing him at all. I'd say the other poster had a case if McBride played on a more competitive squad. He is one of the few USMNT players I really respect and have wondered what he could've accomplished at a better club.
Excape Goat
26 Dec 2007, 07:27 PM
McBride is sandwiched between two great American strikers -- Wynalda and Donovan. He is rated lower than the two, but he is probably more useful than the two of them.
Moishe
26 Dec 2007, 07:35 PM
McBride is sandwiched between two great American strikers -- Wynalda and Donovan. He is rated lower than the two, but he is probably more useful than the two of them.
You really think so?
Excape Goat
26 Dec 2007, 07:39 PM
You really think so?
I meant "great" for Americans. They are two of the greatest American strikers. I don't mean great as if Batigoal or Gerd Muller.
Moishe
26 Dec 2007, 07:49 PM
I meant "great" for Americans. They are two of the greatest American strikers. I don't mean great as if Batigoal or Gerd Muller.
Just making sure. I suppose by American standards they would be great although I'm not sure it would be fair to categorize Donovan as a striker. Even if you did mean great by any standard I'd know from your posting history that you wouldn't mean great by a greater standard;)
dor02
27 Dec 2007, 01:38 AM
I took out Belanov and Blokin because they were European Players of the Year. They already got their credit. I don't think they are bigger than that. Stoichkov aklso won the award, but Stoichkov deserved more credit. He was as good as Romario if not better when they played together at Barcelona, but people usually ranked Romario much higher than Stoichkov.Winning European Player of the Year shows that they did get some credit but at least in Belanov's case, he could have done more. It's a thought that moves away from the main topic but he looked like a player who was capable of more.
Unfortunately when there is a Brazilian involved, sometimes the true geniuses are ignored.
johan neeskens
28 Dec 2007, 05:06 AM
The Dutch:
Philip Cocu - played consistently at the highest level for both club and country for over a decade. Never got much love outside of Holland it seems, probably because he's the kind of hard working player whose work on the pitch was pretty invisible for people who don't really get football.
My namesake Johan Neeskens - I find it baffling that I still have to explain to some people on this board who he is. There's still Barcelona fans who love him more than Cruyff.
Wim van Hanegem - brilliant Feyenoord and Holland midfielder known for his 'curve balls', exceptional technique and tactical insight. Considered by a number of Dutch football experts to be the second best Dutch footballer this country has ever produced, but I guess little known outside of Holland. Famously played much of his career with only 40% of his eyesight intact without anyone knowing about it!
Excape Goat
28 Dec 2007, 09:42 AM
From former republics from Yugoslavia during the 1990's:
Dejan Savićević, Zvonimir Boban, Dragan Stojković and Alain Boksic did not get enough credits. Savićević deserved to be named European Player of the Year for AC Milan's run in the European Cup. It was perhaps politics at that time that they did not want a player playing for Yugoslavia to win any individual award. Only Suker got some credits due to winning the Golden Booth at WC 1998.
squidward123
02 Jan 2008, 10:01 PM
franz beckenbauer - of people who weren't around at the time, only people who care to research properly or watch his games know him for what he was.
most people think he's a centre-back - someone who is 5 times better than a nesta, but technically capable like them for a defender.
considering what he really was - like zidane in skill and flair, except more elegant and that played for half his career as a midfielder and half as a libero, orchestrating attacks like a #10 and also organising the defence - that is shocking.
These days :
Gunter Netzer - who?
Wolfgang Overath - who?
Jupp Heynckes - who?
Quaresma
02 Jan 2008, 10:08 PM
Paulo Sousa
One of the top 5 portuguese players ever imho. Amazing for Juventus.
Rui Costa, like in my thread on him, always seems to never get mentioned.
Batigol says he credits 90% of his goals to Sir Rui:)
squidward123
02 Jan 2008, 10:26 PM
Oh yes I definitely agree with Sousa. He was excellent at dortmund the next year too.
Also Rui Costa as well. I really like his play.
I think Andi Moeller is underrated currently too...but then there's many who say he never did as well as he could for Germany (which is true), as he in many Germans' eyes had the potential and talent at club level to match it with the best of them...like Netzer and Schuster etc
Oh wait - Schuster - add him to that list. Lots of people had never heard of the guy when he became coach of Real.
Hmmm...what I notice is that Ballack is getting ridiculous praise (best midfielder in the world, best midfielder at the world cup) all of a sudden at Chelsea. So maybe the answer is to play in England?
dor02
03 Jan 2008, 12:48 AM
Wim van Hanegem - brilliant Feyenoord and Holland midfielder known for his 'curve balls', exceptional technique and tactical insight. Considered by a number of Dutch football experts to be the second best Dutch footballer this country has ever produced, but I guess little known outside of Holland. Famously played much of his career with only 40% of his eyesight intact without anyone knowing about it!Most of the Feyenoord stars of that time are underrated due to the Ajax's players and their dominance.
Generally speaking, I don't think Neeskens is that underrated but he is when compared to Cryuff, Van Basten, Gullit, Rijkaard and Bergkamp.
franz beckenbauer - of people who weren't around at the time, only people who care to research properly or watch his games know him for what he was.
most people think he's a centre-back - someone who is 5 times better than a nesta, but technically capable like them for a defender.
considering what he really was - like zidane in skill and flair, except more elegant and that played for half his career as a midfielder and half as a libero, orchestrating attacks like a #10 and also organising the defence - that is shocking.
These days :
Gunter Netzer - who?
Wolfgang Overath - who?
Jupp Heynckes - who?The last three belong to this thread but not Der Kaiser. No way! The only people that don't give him credit are newbies, EPL fanboys and anti-Germans.
Paulo Sousa
One of the top 5 portuguese players ever imho. Amazing for Juventus.He had too many injuries. I think his only tornament for Portugal was Euro 96.
I think Andi Moeller is underrated currently too...but then there's many who say he never did as well as he could for Germany (which is true), as he in many Germans' eyes had the potential and talent at club level to match it with the best of them...like Netzer and Schuster etcHe should have stayed in Italy longer. He loved playing against Italian clubs when he was with Dortmund. I hate him for that!