schweini and schweini

[squidward123]

right, a couple of months ago i remember him being in good form. there was the nurmberg game. i remember the bolton game.

after that I am not sure if he got injured or what, but his appearances for bayern seem to have dropped (can someone fill me in?)

what I think is that it would be good for him to move abroad where he isn't treated special by the media and all that.

and where the club isn't as ruthless and demanding as bayern.

think it'd be good for the NT and also will let kroos walk into his place at bayern.

I think a move overseas would be really good for schweinsteiger for his development. He is surrounded by too many impediments at bayern. Also he needs to keep his mouth shut to the media.

[Projekt4]

You're very right, and I believe on top of that change of climate he needs a charismatic coach who can make him perform consistently and improve consistently. I think a Champions League club a bit down the ladder from Bayern would be good for him. Unfortunately, as stated in a recent interview, he believes "I would be on any team when fit".

[squidward123]

yes any other club in ANOTHER COUNTRY. Doesn't have to be CL at all.

Unfortunately, as stated in a recent interview, he believes "I would be on any team when fit".

yeah right.

He wouldn't get into the germany side ahead of borowski or hitzlsperger for me. Hitz would start on this season's form and borowski because he's a good guy who keeps his mouth shut and can be relied on in tough matches to deliver...plus he has silky touches on the ball.

[Dagegen]

yes any other club in ANOTHER COUNTRY. Doesn't have to be CL at all.



yeah right.

He wouldn't get into the germany side ahead of borowski or hitzlsperger for me. Hitz would start on this season's form and borowski because he's a good guy who keeps his mouth shut and can be relied on in tough matches to deliver...plus he has silky touches on the ball.

I totally agree.
Hitzlsperger plays much better now and is more intelligent and consistent.
Borowski has more Talent and Character in my opinion, but unfortunately he is in some kind of a crisis since the last WC; injuried a lot and not really in form but i'm sure he will come back, he is very very talented.

Tall, strong with a good technique, good passing and a great, powerful shot.

Schweinsteiger is overrated and inconsistent but he also has some potential so a move could be good for him but i dont want to see him for the NT as of now.

[Projekt4]

I totally agree.
Hitzlsperger plays much better now and is more intelligent and consistent.
Borowski has more Talent and Character in my opinion, but unfortunately he is in some kind of a crisis since the last WC; injuried a lot and not really in form but i'm sure he will come back, he is very very talented.

Tall, strong with a good technique, good passing and a great, powerful shot.

Schweinsteiger is overrated and inconsistent but he also has some potential so a move could be good for him but i dont want to see him for the NT as of now.

IMO Borowski is definitely below Schweinsteiger in potential, and if Schweinsteiger is in a crisis at the moment, then Borowski is in a crisis big time. If you haven't following Bremen games, it will be enough to say that he was rightly substituted at the 30st minute recently and was furious at his coach about it.

[KumarsS]

Schweinsteiger should be playing CM anyway, I believe that's where his destiny with the NT lies. Anyway, I'm a Bayern supporter but I would not be averse to Schweini moving abroad to a strong team with a desire to strengthen its midfield, like Valencia, Inter or Juventus. In fact, I'd be in full support of such a move. Even a just-decent team in Serie A, the EPL or La Liga such as Udinese or Portsmouth would be satisfactory. They could certainly use a player of his talent.

[squidward123]

kumarss, playing a guy in a different "position" won't make him better if his attitude isn't good and he talks crap to the media (which is the worst thing IMO - when a guy talks to the media about his teammates), and his touches aren't reliable, passing is off etc...

writing his name down somewhere else on a map of a pitch won't help.

football has a language on the continent called passing, moving and first touch and schweinsteiger has been unreliable at all.

he needs to move to get away from bayern's environment and the german media.

It doesn't matter if he moves to derby county. In fact, a move to a london club might be good to take the invariable slack from the english media and to learn from lehmann and ballack.

[Right Foot Planted]

Having a fairly developed and advanced form of lime-disease is nothing to scoff at either. Even with medical attention, and the sweilling in his leg having gone down substantially, the fatigue and degenerative properties of the condition can take months to fully recover from. Add to that, if you really don't feel physically fit, so too is hindered your confidence and mentality.

I wouldn't discount him too quickly. Two years back he was likely the best left-sided midfielder in all of world football. That doesn't just disappear, and we'll see the best of him again.

[squidward123]

And I think all that would be helped if he moved.

[Dagegen]

IMO Borowski is definitely below Schweinsteiger in potential, and if Schweinsteiger is in a crisis at the moment, then Borowski is in a crisis big time. If you haven't following Bremen games, it will be enough to say that he was rightly substituted at the 30st minute recently and was furious at his coach about it.


I am pretty sure that I have seen more Bremen matches than you, but thanks for teaching me.
And imo Schweinsteiger is definately below Borowski in potential and i know that Borowskis Crisis is a big one, as is Schweinsteigers but Borowski had at least a time when he performed very well on a consistent level, Schweinsteiger never had such a time.

And Borowskis Crisis can be explained with serious injury problems.

Btw: From what i heard the lyme disease(Borreliose) was ruled out as a reason for Schweinis knee problems, so he has no lyme disease if i'm not mistaken!?

[Projekt4]

I am pretty sure that I have seen more Bremen matches than you, but thanks for teaching me.
And imo Schweinsteiger is definately below Borowski in potential and i know that Borowskis Crisis is a big one, as is Schweinsteigers but Borowski had at least a time when he performed very well on a consistent level, Schweinsteiger never had such a time.

And Borowskis Crisis can be explained with serious injury problems.

Btw: From what i heard the lyme disease(Borreliose) was ruled out as a reason for Schweinis knee problems, so he has no lyme disease if i'm not mistaken!?

I wasn't trying to teach you, it just was a possibility that you might not have followed each and every recent Bremen game, was it not?
Anyways, great that you're hopeful he'll be back, as some additional depth in midfield would be most welcome! I'm just not as hopeful, never considered him comparable in talent to Schweinsteiger, and didn't like how he reacted to recent criticism character wise.

[Dagegen]

I wasn't trying to teach you, it just was a possibility that you might not have followed each and every recent Bremen game, was it not?

Of course, sorry. ;)

Anyways, great that you're hopeful he'll be back, as some additional depth in midfield would be most welcome! I'm just not as hopeful, never considered him comparable in talent to Schweinsteiger, and didn't like how he reacted to recent criticism character wise.


I think he has way more talent than Schweini because in good form he is a very balanced player, an intelligent and good passer with good technique a great shot, good strength, decent defensive skills and even a little bit leadership.
It's true that it isn't looking good in the moment and in the last 18 month or so...:rolleyes:
But his injuries play the biggest part in his crisis if he stays fit for a season i'm sure he'll come back.

Aber vielleicht ist da auch nur der Wunsch der Vater des Gedankens.

[eissman]

Borowski had at least a time when he performed very well on a consistent level, Schweinsteiger never had such a time.



I would say this sums up my own experience watching Bastian play at Bayern since he signed his professional contract with them. He has not put together two consistant games all season this year, and seldom put together a good two week span of quality consistant play at Bayern in seasons prior.

As I have stated before, I have a funny feeling the "potential" tag will never quite come off of poor Bastian Schweinsteiger, as much as I would like it to.

[Projekt4]

I believe Schweinsteiger was a more valuable player already than he is in more recent times. He seems to play mindless backpasses all the time now, while I thought during the Confederations Cup he added some attacking spark. My impression that he is worse at the moment than he has been and could be (potential! ;)) is backed by the fact that he was a regular free kick and corner kick taker for Bayern and the NT already and has only recently (rightfully) been demoted.

I always thought that Podolski was more talented though.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

I think he'd be a great fit in Milan for some reason. All those old players who play there, and he'd infuse a lot of youthful energy on an old and tired side.

[Projekt4]

I think he'd be a great fit in Milan for some reason. All those old players who play there, and he'd infuse a lot of youthful energy on an old and tired side.

No! Milan is the Fashion Capital, please keep him away from there! ;)

He should to go to a small town, I suggest Villareal...

[Equilibrium]

He was superb in the League Cup and great in the first games, but then he just became average. Since the pressure of him getting him benched to Altintop, he started to play "too safe". Passing back and afraid to take a man, basically having to balls to play hard... Quite a shame, I think it could actually be better if he goes to a different club, who knows right now. I just hope he steps it up.

[squidward123]

I think he'd be a great fit in Milan for some reason. All those old players who play there, and he'd infuse a lot of youthful energy on an old and tired side.

well he better be funny or something because his skills aren't consistently up to it yet.

[squidward123]

He should to go to a small town, I suggest Villareal...

villareal is an excellent suggestion

[Projekt4]

Löw in his most recent interview on players who aren't developing further: "These players need to react. The motivation needs to be there. Sometimes a change of club helps." Refusing to name individual players, instead he referred to "young players and those who got used to fame early on".

Sounds familiar (Uli Hoeness).