Post your ideal Brazil lineup and formation for qualifiers and WC2006

[Jon Pall]

I like to post this thread periodically, because I so enjoy posting formations...

If you were CAP, what formation would you play against Bolivia?

Mine,

--------------------Adriano--------Ronaldo
---------------------Ronaldinho-----Kaka
------------------Ze Roberto--------Silva
-----Roberto C.------Juan-------Lucio--------Maicon
----------------------------Dida


If you had to stick to CAP's preferred 3 holding mid lineup, what players would you start?
--------------------Adriano--------Ronaldo
--------------------------Ronaldinho
-------------Ze Roberto-------Silva-------Kleberson/Baptista
-----------R.C--------Juan---------Lucio------------Maicon
--------------------------------Dida

[Ombak]

Did you mean to drop Juninho Pernambucano in the 3-holding mid line-up?

I honestly think the only possible change we'll see, barring injury, is Juan in central defense. We all know how conservative Parreira is. Even when he wants to change somehting, he usually wants to try it out first.

Any injury to Ronaldinho, Kaká or Ronaldo brings in Adriano automatically though IMHO.

If he is intent on trying a Ronaldo Adriano Partnership despite that though I think he'll drop Kaká. Less likely, is your 4-4-2 formation - maybe exactly as you put it - although I have trouble seeing Zé Roberto restricted to a cabeça-de-área role. Of course, against Bolivia at home, Parreira may feel it is safe enough to have such an offensive line-up.

We'll see. It's still 5 weeks away, but the Haiti friendly may give us clues before then.

EDIT: And I only noticed now that you dropped Cafu for Maicon - again, Parreira may be eager to give Maicon a chance, but not at Cafu's expense.

Any suspensions for this game? I think not, but haven't checked.

[MIGkiller]

I like to post this thread periodically, because I so enjoy posting formations...



No problem. But let's do it in the same thread as usual, please.

[NitrousOxide]

[QUOTE=Ombak]
EDIT: And I only noticed now that you dropped Cafu for Maicon - again, Parreira may be eager to give Maicon a chance, but not at Cafu's expense.
[QUOTE]

I agree, Im sure CAP will even probably start cafu for the worldcup. But I think he should be dropped from the line up way before, he doesn't contribute defensively that much anymore and 2 years from now at 35 he will obviously be slower. this could be another Aldair Drama.

[0-Point]

I'm going fresh on this one -

----Dida----


----Juan--- R. Junior---- Edmilson----

----Mancini----Silva----Edu----Athirson----

----Gaucho----Kaka----

----Ronaldo----


And if my katana ain't cutting it then i bring in the talawa posseeeee!


----Diego----Robinho----

----Adriano----



an if u want more trouble i bring in C. Alberto, rat-a-tat-tat never hesitate 2 put the opposition on their back! :cool:

[tpmazembe]

Most balanced and potent line-up in my mind.

------------------------------------Dida-------------------------------------
Cafu------------------Lucio------------------Juan-----------------------R.Carlos
----------------------------------Emerson-------------------------------------------
--------J.Pernambucano------------------------------Z.Roberto------------------
-----------------------------------R.Gaucho-----------------------------------------
-------------------------Ronaldo-------------Adriano------------------------------


Most offensively flexible line-up. Leave the current CAP set-up as is, just interchanging Kaka and Gaucho’s main roles (Gaucho has the better vision, Kaka has a more direct approach towards goal).

Cafu--------------------Lucio--------------------Juan---------------------R.Carlos
--------------------------------------Emerson---------------------------------------
------------J.Pernambucano--------------------------Z.Roberto----------------
-----------------------------------------Gaucho---------------------------------
------------------------------Kaka------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------Ronaldo-------------------------------------

Yes, you saw right....Emerson is my choice, though G.Silva would do quite well.

[Kaushik]

Most balanced and potent line-up in my mind.

------------------------------------Dida-------------------------------------
Cafu------------------Lucio------------------Juan-----------------------R.Carlos
----------------------------------Emerson-------------------------------------------
--------J.Pernambucano------------------------------Z.Roberto------------------
-----------------------------------R.Gaucho-----------------------------------------
-------------------------Ronaldo-------------Adriano------------------------------


Most offensively flexible line-up. Leave the current CAP set-up as is, just interchanging Kaka and Gaucho’s main roles (Gaucho has the better vision, Kaka has a more direct approach towards goal).

Cafu--------------------Lucio--------------------Juan---------------------R.Carlos
--------------------------------------Emerson---------------------------------------
------------J.Pernambucano--------------------------Z.Roberto----------------
-----------------------------------------Gaucho---------------------------------
------------------------------Kaka------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------Ronaldo-------------------------------------

Yes, you saw right....Emerson is my choice, though G.Silva would do quite well.
Hi tpmazembe,

I noticed that your first team is very similar to the team of my choice that I posted in another thread in the Brasil forum. You have retained the diamond formation but replaced Kaka with Juninho Pernambucano. I guess this renders more balance (but less flair?) to the team than playing Kaka in that position.

The second formation will make winning matches more difficult as most of the pressure, target (of defenders and passers) and passes/crosses will be directed toward a heavily marked Ronaldo. With Adriano in the team, Ronaldo will be relatively free of marking and pressure. Kaka, playing as a second striker, will never be the threat or possess the effectiveness of Adriano. The effectiveness of the trio of Ronaldo-Ronaldinho-Rivaldo cannot be reproduced by replacing Kaka in place of Rivaldo. This is because Kaka cannot score (but can pass) like Rivaldo. Adriano, on the other hand, can score (but cannot make the passes) like Rivaldo. I guess it is time to go back to the days of successful strike partnerships such as that of Romario-Bebeto, Ronaldo-Romario and Ronaldo-Rivaldo. It is a difficult decision but I think Kaka needs to come on as a sub.

[tpmazembe]

The effectiveness of the trio of Ronaldo-Ronaldinho-Rivaldo cannot be reproduced by replacing Kaka in place of Rivaldo. This is because Kaka cannot score (but can pass) like Rivaldo. Adriano, on the other hand, can score (but cannot make the passes) like Rivaldo. I guess it is time to go back to the days of successful strike partnerships such as that of Romario-Bebeto, Ronaldo-Romario and Ronaldo-Rivaldo. It is a difficult decision but I think Kaka needs to come on as a sub.I think your assessment of the situation is right on, kaushik.

The success of the vaunted 3Rs attack stemmed from Rivaldo being such a prolific goalscorer. CAP has decided to go with just one pure striker (Ro) because he believes that Kaka-Dinho have the same potency as Rivaldo-Dinho.

I'd say that that theory has not yet been proven wrong nor right (Brasil is leading WCQ qualifying as it is). Even if Kaka were not to develop to be as prolific a scorer as Rivaldo, could it reasonably have been expected that Ronaldinho would have stepped up his scoring at NT level?

The jury is still out on Ro-Ro-Ka. We'll all enjoy seeing how things unfold.

It does point out how unique of a player was Rivaldo.

[Kaushik]

Exactly. To outscore strikers playing in that position is the hallmark of uniqueness. Rivaldo made as many assists as Zidane, Figo etc. and often scored far more than the strikers in his team. In both departments he was more spectacular than other players. For a period of time, he was simply empyreal.

[Kaushik]

It is however, possible for Ronaldinho to step up and fill Rivaldo's shoes, as you rightly pointed out. In that case we will have,

Ronaldo (now) > or = Ronaldo (WC 2002)

Ronaldinho (now) = Rivaldo (WC 2002)

Kaka, in this situation, is more suited to fill Ronaldinho's (WC 2002) shoes than Adriano. However, if Ronaldinho cannot reproduce Rivaldo's goalscoring prolificacy, then Adriano needs to be chosen ahead of Kaka.

I, personally, would want all four of them to play (it is possible, but we will miss Ze Roberto then), but if I had to choose three of them, I would drop Kaka (even though I like the guy).

[Ombak]

At some point today in between being bored doing nothing and being bored reading, I had some random thoughts about the Brazil team, prompted by the thread where Kaushik asked about Cafu x Carlos Alberto/Djalma Santos.

My concern is, can Cafu be counted on in 2006? What if Brazil faces teams with strong left-sides like Argentina and exceptional wingers like Robben, Duff etc?

I honestly think Cafu is not likely to be good enough in a 4-4-2 in 2006.

My solution would of course be a 3-5-2, but I doubt Parreira will consider that. But just for fun, I wondered what that might look like and realized, it could very well be the team we have now - with one of Juninho Pernambucano, Zé Roberto, Kaká or even Gilberto Silva sitting for a 3rd defender. This would allow us to have RC on the left and Cafu or Mancini/Daniel on the right.

IN some cases we could even play a midfield of Cafu, Juninho Pernambucano, Zé Roberto, Roberto Carlos and Kaká. Wow.

Anyways, just having some fun thinking. I think by 2006 Cafu may be sitting for Maicon or Daniel (if he reaches his potential shown in the U-20s) and we will have the same midfield we have today, which may be a little strained against very offensive teams, but should be good enough to win it all.

[JigaMann]

The best line up now would be a 3-5-2 formation as follows:

Dida

Belleti Lucio Edmilson

Cafu Emerson Roberto Carlos

Kaka Ronaldinho

Adriano Ronaldo

[moose8008]

The best line up now would be a 3-5-2 formation as follows:

Dida

Belleti Lucio Edmilson

Cafu Emerson Roberto Carlos

Kaka Ronaldinho

Adriano Ronaldo

I agree the 3-5-2 is the way to go but the mistake people make with this formation is they place Cafu and R.Carlos as the "alas". Tostao has often made this point and he is 100% correct. An "ala" is a player who is positioned wide but also has midfield qualities and can drift to the middle and contribute in the playmaking. For all the glory they receive, Cafu and R.C. are both limited players. They are traditional laterais and if you move to the 3-5-2 they simply don't fit.

I know people will bring up the WC but Cafu and R.C. played exactly like laterias, hugging the sideline. They never even saw the middle of the field and G.Silva was left isolated until the England game when Felipao was forced to bring in Kleberson to give the midfield more teeth. In my mind Brasil won inspite of making this big tactical mistake.

As I see it, the perfect player for the left side ala is Ze Roberto and on the right side Mancini. Both these players began as laterais but now play in the midfield so they possess the versatility needed to play this complicated position. This would be my formation in the 3-5-2:

Dida

Juan Lucio Edmilson

Gilberto Silva Juninho Pern.
Mancini Ze Roberto

Ronaldinho

Kaka Ronaldo

Or if you want to get really offensive...

Dida

Juan Lucio Edmilson

Mancini Emerson Ze Roberto

Ronaldinho Alex

Kaka Ronaldo

[Camisa5]

Is Alex of PSV injured?

[MIGkiller]

This is the Brazilian team that could destroy everything that gets in our path in WC2006:

Dida

Cafu Juan Alex (PSV) Roberto Carlos

Edmílson Juninho Pernambucano

Zé Roberto Kaká

Ronaldo Ronaldinho Gaúcho


Bench:
Júlio César
Lúcio
Edu
Diego
Adriano

[Ll Br]

The good old 4-1-3-2 with
--------Dida-------

--Belleti----- Alex-------- Juan-----------Roberto Carlos--

------- Renato--------

---Kaká------- Diego------- Kleberson---

----Ronaldinho Gaucho--- Adriano---

Team for the future: Gomes;Maicon, Alex, Juan,Gilberto; Julio Baptista, Renato, Diego(Porto), Diogo Rincon; Robinho, Ronaldinho Gaúcho
Subs: Fábio(ex-Vasco); Edu Dracena; Daniel Carvalho; Diego(Internacional) and Wagner Love.
I think tha Inter and Santos contributed a lot with young talents in the last years

[NitrousOxide]

I would go with the untraditional 4-2-4


----------------Dida--------------
Mancini-------Juan-------Lucio----------RobertoCarlos
--------------Edmilson------Juninho pernambucano----------
-------Kaka----------------------------------Ronaldinho----
---------------Ronaldo---------Adriano--------------

Bench:
Julio cesar
Alex
Bordon
Diego
vagnerLove

Strangely enough for Brazil, the position I have the hardest time chosing is Defence, alot of defenders are playing well currently Juan, Bordon, Lucio, Alex, Luisao and even Roque Junior.

[Hustletown]

Assuming everyone is healthy and fit, what would your ideal starting lineup for Brasil be if the starter sheet had to be turned in by this summer?

As an American who follows Brasil, I don't know much beyond the heavy hitters on the senior side and clubs. So, I'm not sure about all of the young players who might get a chance to cap soon.

Here are the main ones I know of...

GK Dida
W Def. Roberto Carlos
C Def. Luisao
C Def. ? (Roque Junior?)
W Def. Edmilson
Mid. Kaka
Mid. Gilberto
A Mid. Juninho (Lyon, Pernambucano?)
A Mid./Forw. Ronaldinho
Forw. Adriano
Forw. Ronaldo

Mid. Ze Roberto
Mid. Alex
Mid. Kleberson
Forw. Robinho
Forw. Luis Fabiano

In my "outsider" opinion, Brasil's attacking talent is unmatched by anyone else in the world right now which is no shock to anyone. I believe Brasil should be a favorite to win another WC if they can form a strong defense in front of Dida.

Anyway, I'd be more interested to hear the opinion of people who follow more closely than I. Thanks.

[Hustletown]

Just wanted to ask something else...Brasil seems to have had trouble managing goals in some recent qualifiers. Is this due to Parreira (or the opposition's) tactics or just not really having the "a team" out there together enough?

[ronaldinhobr10]

-------------------------Dida-------------------------

cafu------------lucio-------------alex----------r.carlos

------juninho------------------------ze roberto---------

----------------kaka----------ronaldinho----------------

-----------------ronaldo-------adriano------------------

not that exact formation but those players