Do you think Germany will every be as dominate like the 82-90 squad

[Diego Maradona]

I mean no other team has been in the finals 3 times in a row apart from Germany, well West Germany.

Can they do anything to be as good like before

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Tried to edit the title after for spelling mistakes but I can't seem to do that

[Alex_K]

I mean no other team has been in the finals 3 times in a row apart from Germany, well West Germany.


Brazil might disagree.

[Cris 09]

I mean no other team has been in the finals 3 times in a row apart from Germany, well West Germany.

Can they do anything to be as good like before




Alex is right, Brazil 94, 98 & 2002!

But getting back to the question at hand, I'm not sure that Germany's problem is if "they can be as good as before" as opposed to other teams catching up to the times with better leagues, better coaches, better opportunities for their class players that are produced in their country and better teams overall throughout Europe and the World.

[squidward123]

I think germany can repeat that because one win and everyone else will be all "oh no here we go again..."

:D

[nekkibasara]

I think germany can repeat that because one win and everyone else will be all "oh no here we go again..."

:D

Too true. I get the feeling that everyone else in the world is hoping that Germany’s relatively poor form from 1997-2004 was the beginning of the end, rather than a blip. If we come out and dominate at the Euros and WC it will be business as usuall.

[squidward123]

Too true. I get the feeling that everyone else in the world is hoping that Germany’s relatively poor form from 1997-2004 was the beginning of the end, rather than a blip. If we come out and dominate at the Euros and WC it will be business as usuall.

like that spanish poster in the other thread a month or so ago said, germany doesn't lack self esteem and that's what will carry on the roll if it starts at the euros

we just need franz to keep his mouth shut then.

[kontrol-ball-Germany]

Too true. I get the feeling that everyone else in the world is hoping that Germany’s relatively poor form from 1997-2004 was the beginning of the end, rather than a blip. If we come out and dominate at the Euros and WC it will be business as usuall.

Ah sweet words

A lot do not realize just how successful Germany have been or will be, they are quicker to put Argentina, Brazil or Italy first before Germany or even prefer Spain or France only due to the glamour and big names.

Don't forget even after 1990 we went on to the Euro 92 final and won it in 96 and it was almost accepted as normal + understated for Germany to reach a final of a major tournament.

Germany is just one team but it keeps seeing finals and if we get to another final then we may end up seeing another handful of them as is the case with Germany. I can understand why other fans underrate as only 2 teams can make a final.:)

Alex is right, Brazil 94, 98 & 2002!

But getting back to the question at hand, I'm not sure that Germany's problem is if "they can be as good as before" as opposed to other teams catching up to the times with better leagues, better coaches, better opportunities for their class players that are produced in their country and better teams overall throughout Europe and the World.

Germany was the first team in the world to reach 3 world cup finals in a row.
If Germany can lose 5-1 to England and get to a world cup final its not so much about other teams.

Furthermore in 2006 not the best team on paper and losing 4-1 to Italy and also to Slovakia 2:0 pre world cup 2006, a coach with no experience and still beat the tournament fav Argentina and reached another semi.

The question is what will happen with Germany at full strength and with some of the traditional quality of the past back, in terms of the talent drought of recent years over. Germany at full strength has proven that they can go far time and time again and that is more significant over other teams that get better with todays climate. Even with Germany declining from the former strength of the past they still reach a world cup final and semi.

[sportfriend]

well i think something has to be done to the German system.
I know many people are afraid to get into this in fear of racist statements...

Look at England, their top league is pretty much all foreign players now...Very little growth for national players to grow! this current english generation is dying and who will replace them?!?! there really isn't much happening over there and i fear the same could happen with Germany.

I support a team where seeing 5 Germans on the pitch at the same time is really shocking...We have the minimum number of Germans playing on the team but really they're only on the team-sheet to have the allowed number of Germans in uniform.

auf geht's Deutschland!!! :cool:

[Alex_K]

That has been Freiburg's decision alone. Fürth finished the first half of the season just one point behind with a majority of German starters in every single match, so it's not as if they couldn't get or afford decent German players on that level if they wanted (on the other hand, it's not Freiburg's task to develop players for the national team anyway - plus, with 3 young Germans who saw the field in every single game (2 youth internationals) they did "enough" either way, I guess).

Every somewhat decent German player can find a starting spot on a Bundesliga side, if he wants to. That some choose money over playing time isn't really the clubs' fault (I'm looking at you Schlaudolskinkel etc.) I'm not buying the theory that there are all those huge talents hidden everywhere that can't develop because of foreign players.

I can't see how giving guaranteed starting spots to every NT level player would help them develop anyway - compared to forcing them to compete with better foreigners for their spots. 5 German starters required = Schweinsteiger can sit on his ass all season and play every game no matter what.

Another effect: every halfway decent German player will be bought by big teams and the days of national team players on smaller teams will be even more limited. If they are forced to start five Germans, Bayern will get 11 or so NT regulars, Bremen, Schalke, Leverkusen, Dortmund, HSV the rest and the Hannover's of this world will be left some glorified second division players who only got into the major league because they are German.

[Projekt4]

If you want protectionism, why not do what economists would do - apply a "tax levy" to each transfer bringing a non-EU player into the league. This makes nurturing homegrown talent financially more attractive, and it brings in money for youth development.

Personally, I think channelling more league profits into youth development and mandating a strong commitment of professional clubs to it should be enough.

I find the fact more deplorable that many immigrant football players keep aspiring to play for nations in which they have never lived, although this is obviously understandable on a personal level.

[Alex_K]

I find the fact more deplorable that many immigrant football players keep aspiring to play for nations in which they have never lived, although this is obviously understandable on a personal level.

Although people love to bring this up, FIFA rules do NOT allow this. Naturalized players have to have lived in the country they play for for at least 2 years to be able to play in an international game.

[Projekt4]

Although people love to bring this up, FIFA rules do NOT allow this. Naturalized players have to have lived in the country they play for for at least 2 years to be able to play in an international game.

I was referring to players like Bastürk or the Altintops who have lived their entire lives in Germany but choose to play for Turkey. Though I repeat their personal decision is perfectly understandable, it's just deplorable in a way that they don't prefer to play for Germany.

[Cris 09]

Though I repeat their personal decision is perfectly understandable, it's just deplorable in a way that they don't prefer to play for Germany.

...or commendable that they feel their homeland running through their veins and choose to represent them instead!

[Alex_K]

I was referring to players like Bastürk or the Altintops who have lived their entire lives in Germany but choose to play for Turkey. Though I repeat their personal decision is perfectly understandable, it's just deplorable in a way that they don't prefer to play for Germany.

Why should they want to play for Germany? I mean, I'd be all for if this were what they wanted, but it's not as if Germany would be as welcoming if they wouldn't be good footballers. I'll just remind of Bild screaming in agony that Turks are allowed to VOTE in Germany, if they have German citizenship. Which they found to be scandalous, because the majority of Turkish-Germans doesn't vote CDU.

http://www.bildblog.de/793/wahlkampf-vii

[Projekt4]

Why should they want to play for Germany? I mean, I'd be all for if this were what they wanted, but it's not as if Germany would be as welcoming if they wouldn't be good footballers. I'll just remind of Bild screaming in agony that Turks are allowed to VOTE in Germany, if they have German citizenship. Which they found to be scandalous, because the majority of Turkish-Germans doesn't vote CDU.

http://www.bildblog.de/793/wahlkampf-vii

In an ideal world, the place where people live their entire lives also can be their "home nation", not merely their "host nation", and playing for Germany would not mean a lack of awareness that their roots lie elsewhere. Think of Klose/Podolski, think of the role footballers with immigrant backgrounds play in other European nations. However, you're perfectly right in pointing out that BILD story, it was the Germans who for a long time preferred their country to be host, not home to immigrants.

Seems to be changing now (Özil, Tasci,...).

[Hendrik]

Don't forget the role of the family, especially when we're talking about young Turks. I doubt everyone could decide on his own.

As for the Altintop twins, Halil wanted to play for Germany, Hamit for Turkey. Since they didn't want to play for different nts they had to settle for one country.

Klose and Podolski both seem to have a totally different approach to their Polish roots. Podolski always mentions that he has two hearts in his chest, he's proud of his Polish heritage. Klose on the other hand never speaks much about it, he only gives interviews to the Polish media in German.

[Alex_K]

In an ideal world, the place where people live their entire lives also can be their "home nation", not merely their "host nation", and playing for Germany would not mean a lack of awareness that their roots lie elsewhere.

In an ideal world, players can play for whoever they feel most comfortable representing, I'd say. Playing for Turkey doesn't have to mean a lack of awareness for Germany as a home nation either.

As far as families go (Hendrik's post) - decisions aren't reached in a vacuum. I have made decisions influenced by other people as well, but in the end it were still my decisions. So unless there is some insider information, I'd be carefull to talk of "forced" decisions here - even merely following your families wishes rather than your own is by no means an "unfree" decision in itself.

[Projekt4]

In an ideal world, players can play for whoever they feel most comfortable representing, I'd say. Playing for Turkey doesn't have to mean a lack of awareness for Germany as a home nation either.

Again, I'm not blaming individual players. If they feel it is more appropriate to represent this or that country than so they must decide. What I find somewhat deplorable is that they haven't been made to feel completely at home in the community in which they live their entire lives.
It's not exactly a new idea that Germany hasn't done particularly well on integration.

[Alex_K]

Again, I'm not blaming individual players. If they feel it is more appropriate to represent this or that country than so they must decide. What I find somewhat deplorable is that they haven't been made to feel completely at home in the community in which they live their entire lives.
It's not exactly a new idea that Germany hasn't done particularly well on integration.

I didn't want to make it appear as if you did, but sorry if it looked like it. I tend to throw in more general comments into my posts even if I quote someone directly.

But as I said, that there isn't done enough to make immigrants feel at home is something I very much agree with (as integration isn't an oneway street and both sides need to be involved). In the end this will always be a personal decision for every player with cultural and/or personal ties to more than one country, though, and even someone who feels 100% at home here might want to play for another country. This happens everywhere else as well (players born and grown up in the US/Canada/Australia/France etc. playing for other countries) and most likely won't change.

[KumarsS]

Although people love to bring this up, FIFA rules do NOT allow this. Naturalized players have to have lived in the country they play for for at least 2 years to be able to play in an international game.

Wait, so, what about Hargreaves?