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JeffS
14 Dec 2007, 02:51 PM
Upon the selection of Capello, this crops up:

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/7559462

Coppell makes the point:


"We have now created a situation where it is very hard for an English manager to get to the top of the tree.

"The only way realistically now for an English manager to get a job in the Premier League is if he takes a team up there himself.

"Certainly, none of the elite half of the table are going to appoint an English manager.

"I don't think I will ever get an elite job myself if I'm honest. The big teams will now always go for continental managers with European experience."


So, how do English posters here feel about that?

Personally, I feel that an English manager just needs to garner attention from the bigger clubs by having success with smaller clubs, including some Euro success. They could also benefit by going to Europe themselves, and learn other tactics and training methods. Then they'll get the attention of the big English clubs. In short, they have to earn their way up. They can't expect a affirmative action just because they're English.

For the big clubs, it's all about winning, and nothing else. Just look at Arsenal - foreign manager and an almost entirely foreign roster. Do Arsenal fans and management care about the dearth of Englishness in Arsenal? Nope.

And the current situation is that there are no English managers that have a pedigree of success at the highest level, nor are there English managers that can withstand the pressure cooker that is the England manager spot.

The FA tried with Mclaren, and prior to Sven, it was Keegan. Those guys weren't up to snuff, plain and simple. Both were decent with mid level teams (albeit Keegan's Newcastle came close the title). But neither ever demonstrated the highest of coaching pedigree.

Meanwhile, England desperately needs to start producing results, ASAP. They need someone who can step in now and help bring them to a higher level. They need someone with a proven success record at the highest levels. They need someone who has thrived in high pressure situations. They need someone who is a master tactician, and someone who is known to get the best out his players. Capello brings all of those qualities to the table. No current, active, English managers do, unfortunately.

Certainly, SAF fits the bill - he's had success at the highest levels, is a master tactician, a master motivator, and can withstand the highest pressure. But he's a Scot. Perhaps these English managers might have felt more comfortable with a Scot over an Italian - at least a Scot is British.

Again, how do English posters here feel about it?

Placid Casual
14 Dec 2007, 04:30 PM
Feel about what? This has been discussed to death.

Mikey10
14 Dec 2007, 04:35 PM
Maybe English managers being so shit has something to do with it. This has nothing to do with foreigners, this has everything to do with Englishmen not being good enough to do the jobs. A sad state of affairs, but there it is.

thebigman
14 Dec 2007, 04:39 PM
yeah we need to restructure coaching training as well as the grassroots ish thats happening now

i think the english mentality might have something to do with it too...we seem to be good losers

AnyLuckForEngland?
14 Dec 2007, 05:11 PM
Maybe if they were good enough managers they would have gotten the England job.

They weren't so they weren't chosen. Don't blame Capello for being chosen, blame McClaren for setting English for England back possibly decades.

Mikey10
14 Dec 2007, 05:17 PM
McClaren not getting us to Euro 08 is a blessing in disguise. I'd rather we get knocked out now, rather than embarassing ourselves at the championships, with that clown in charge for another year, and have an extra year to prepare for the world cup, with a great new manager.

Gorton Blue
14 Dec 2007, 05:31 PM
These muppets who are talking rubbish to the media removed themselves from the list of possible manager anyway! Coppel Hughes Southgate and Curbishley all said they wanted to stay with their " massive" jobs. and Paul Ince opening his fat mouth is a laugh. MK Dons gaffer upset that a world class manager got the job! We already had an Englishman who didn't qualify for the job why do we need another? The managers and the players both are not world class anymore. The FA needs to fix this for the future while Capello does his best to win with a squad of overpaid lady boys.

Prenn
14 Dec 2007, 05:54 PM
Harry Redknapp or Capello?

Harry Redknapp or Capello?

Tough choice.... :rolleyes:

It'll be another ten years before we start to see top class English managers appear, if any. We need this current crop of players to retire, the ones who aren't from the kick it long and run after it school of play.

Gorton Blue
14 Dec 2007, 05:59 PM
Harry Redknapp or Capello?

Harry Redknapp or Capello?

Tough choice.... :rolleyes:

It'll be another ten years before we start to see top class English managers appear, if any. We need this current crop of players to retire, the ones who aren't from the kick it long and run after it school of play.

Redknapp another laugh people calling 5 Live talking up Redknapp they forget he may be jail soon !

-Fifth CharM-
14 Dec 2007, 06:03 PM
Coppell makes it sound as if the foreign managers just were handed these job without any merit. Doesn't he know that these managers also started with smaller teams and managed something and were later contracted by larger clubs.

The guy is an idiot.

lanman
14 Dec 2007, 06:17 PM
If there was a realistic English candidate then we would have an English manager, but there is no-one that comes remotely close to Capello in terms of success. The English manager with the most trophies in recent years was McClaren, and unfortunately we all know how he got on.

Prenn
14 Dec 2007, 06:33 PM
Redknapp another laugh people calling 5 Live talking up Redknapp they forget he may be jail soon !

TalkShite were big on the Redknapp for England campaign

Cris 09
14 Dec 2007, 07:56 PM
Capello will bring so much to the England team, a team with so much talent and potential.

My only question is; Was it the same people in the FA that critisized the EPL for havinig to many foreign players the same people in charge of hiring an Italian to coach the England NT?

england66
14 Dec 2007, 09:05 PM
Until the problem of all English managers (this side of Mike Newall) being crooks is sorted then there probably won't be another English born manager....they've been at it for over 30 years.

el_urchinio
14 Dec 2007, 09:15 PM
We need this current crop of players to retire, the ones who aren't from the kick it long and run after it school of play.

Uhh...have you seen what passes for football in Italy? I think watching an Italian derby and waterboarding should rank about the same on the torture scale.

Never mind that success in Serie A is about as real as professional wrestling titles.

THOMA GOL
14 Dec 2007, 11:07 PM
France's Domenech also sounded "quasi-xenophobe", but then again flies tend to come out of his shit mouth.

Placid Casual
14 Dec 2007, 11:12 PM
My only question is; Was it the same people in the FA that critisized the EPL for havinig to many foreign players the same people in charge of hiring an Italian to coach the England NT?

You need to learn the difference between the FA and the PFA.

AnyLuckForEngland?
15 Dec 2007, 01:07 AM
France's Domenech also sounded "quasi-xenophobe", but then again flies tend to come out of his shit mouth.

He's just upset because England has a competent coach.

CaptVimes
15 Dec 2007, 01:41 AM
Uhh...have you seen what passes for football in Italy? I think watching an Italian derby and waterboarding should rank about the same on the torture scale.

Never mind that success in Serie A is about as real as professional wrestling titles.

Yes I have seen the "state" of Italian football. World cup winners and current Champions league winners...

indestructible
15 Dec 2007, 02:00 AM
Uhh...have you seen what passes for football in Italy? I think watching an Italian derby and waterboarding should rank about the same on the torture scale.

Never mind that success in Serie A is about as real as professional wrestling titles.

You clearly undertsand nothing