Capello & Beckham

[JaredSS07]

If Capello becomes the next England manager will Beckham get his spot back?

[Prenn]

Beckham's England career should be over whoever takes charge.

[Van Helsing]

I agree Beckham should just retire from the national team. As for Capello I do not think he's the right person for the job. The England FA reminds me very much of the owners' of Madrid. The owners' of Madrid are very hands on which is to say much too involved. They always have the best players' along with good managers' but never really let the managers' do their job. Capello is a good manager but he's not strong. He would end up being a yoyo for England's FA & the same lack luster results would keep coming.

[sinner78]

he needs his 100th cap for all his efforts.
he is the one guy who always gave 100% in every game.

[JeffS]

Beckham's England career should be over whoever takes charge.

What is it with Brits and hatred of, or plain ol' lack of respect, for Beckham?

Beckham's gotten assists in most of his recent games for England, with his world class service. What the hell else do you want from the guy?

Meanwhile, Gerrard and Lampard continue to have underwhelming performances, Owen misses wide open opportunities, Rooney shows flashes of brilliance mixed in with flashes of idiocy, Cole looks out of place on the left, the defense leaks like a sieve, the goalkeepers keep embarrassing themselves, and the offense, other than Beckham's service, remains anemic.

And you want Becks to retire?

Beckham is one of your few recent bright spots, for goodness sake.

He's getting up there in age, and probably will need to retire from the international game before long. But face it, Beckham is still one of your best players.

Beckham should continue to be selected so long as he continues his current form, and work ethic. This, unless Gerrard and Lampard can duplicate their club form for England.

It's looking like Capello will be selected. And Beckham earned Capello's respect at Real, even after being benched "permanently" and then getting a starting spot back and inspiring Real to the La Liga title. So I suspect Capello will have Beckham in his plans, at least partially. Unless, of course, Capello wants to start with rebuilding through youth (which would be a good stategy for England in the long run - it worked out well for Klinsmann and Germany).

But for the short term, Beckham is a great option for Capello.

[PortoFan61]

What is it with Brits and hatred of, or plain ol' lack of respect, for Beckham?

Beckham's gotten assists in most of his recent games for England, with his world class service. What the hell else do you want from the guy?

Meanwhile, Gerrard and Lampard continue to have underwhelming performances, Owen misses wide open opportunities, Rooney shows flashes of brilliance mixed in with flashes of idiocy, Cole looks out of place on the left, the defense leaks like a sieve, the goalkeepers keep embarrassing themselves, and the offense, other than Beckham's service, remains anemic.

And you want Becks to retire?

Beckham is one of your few recent bright spots, for goodness sake.

He's getting up there in age, and probably will need to retire from the international game before long. But face it, Beckham is still one of your best players.

Beckham should continue to be selected so long as he continues his current form, and work ethic. This, unless Gerrard and Lampard can duplicate their club form for England.

It's looking like Capello will be selected. And Beckham earned Capello's respect at Real, even after being benched "permanently" and then getting a starting spot back and inspiring Real to the La Liga title. So I suspect Capello will have Beckham in his plans, at least partially. Unless, of course, Capello wants to start with rebuilding through youth (which would be a good stategy for England in the long run - it worked out well for Klinsmann and Germany).

But for the short term, Beckham is a great option for Capello.

Excellent point.

[Prenn]

What is it with Brits and hatred of, or plain ol' lack of respect, for Beckham?

Beckham's gotten assists in most of his recent games for England, with his world class service. What the hell else do you want from the guy?

Meanwhile, Gerrard and Lampard continue to have underwhelming performances, Owen misses wide open opportunities, Rooney shows flashes of brilliance mixed in with flashes of idiocy, Cole looks out of place on the left, the defense leaks like a sieve, the goalkeepers keep embarrassing themselves, and the offense, other than Beckham's service, remains anemic.

And you want Becks to retire?

Beckham is one of your few recent bright spots, for goodness sake.

He's getting up there in age, and probably will need to retire from the international game before long. But face it, Beckham is still one of your best players.

Beckham should continue to be selected so long as he continues his current form, and work ethic. This, unless Gerrard and Lampard can duplicate their club form for England.

It's looking like Capello will be selected. And Beckham earned Capello's respect at Real, even after being benched "permanently" and then getting a starting spot back and inspiring Real to the La Liga title. So I suspect Capello will have Beckham in his plans, at least partially. Unless, of course, Capello wants to start with rebuilding through youth (which would be a good stategy for England in the long run - it worked out well for Klinsmann and Germany).

But for the short term, Beckham is a great option for Capello.

Brits?

Beckham's going to be 35 at WC2010 and we have nearly 12 months before our next competitive game. We need to look to the future and that future does not contain David Beckham. Beckham offers no mobility, poor set pieces (of which he has to take all of them :rolleyes: ), poor positional discipline. Sure he gives 100% but that 100% is going to mean less and less as his legs go. There are plenty of options for the right hand side and we need to bring them in. I'm in favour of him getting his 100th cap but there's no way he should be part of the team for the WC2010 qualifiers.

Let's face it, the only reason you're here is to defend an MLS player.

[three lions]

Capello will play the personnel that's best suited to win the game. He will not be afraid to drop the big names that are underperforming. These are the facts.

[JeffS]

Capello is a good manager but he's not strong.

Managers who are "not strong" don't have Capello's trophy case.

And it takes a strong personality to manage at big clubs like Milan, Juventus, and Real (and win tons of titles in the process). Weak personalities get eaten up in those kinds of environments. Milan, Juventus and Real are clubs that expect to win titles every year, from the upper management, the media, and the fans. Anything else is considered failure, and the manager is held responsible. Hell, Capello won La Liga last term, and still got canned.

But, Capello excelled in these situations. He just kept winning, under the constant pressure cooker.

That's exactly the kind of individual England desperately needs.

Along with tactical discipline, Capello will bring strength and confidence. Those are things England really needs to get better.

[JeffS]

Brits?

Beckham's going to be 35 at WC2010 and we have nearly 12 months before our next competitive game.

That's a good point. England do need to build for the 2010 WC and beyond, and Becks most definitely will not be part of that future.


Let's face it, the only reason you're here is to defend an MLS player.

You got me pegged!

Hell, you guys should hire Dominic Kinnear (winner of two consecutive MLS cups with Houston Dynamo) for manager. :D

Then, while your at it, grant Brad Friedel England citizenship (he's been living there long enough), and make him England's number one, since your current crop of 'keepers suck ass. Friedel even has a faux English accent! :D

Seriously, I'm glad Beckham's here, for marketing purposes. He's brought unprecedented attention to an otherwise ignored league. But the thing is, if he came here just to smile for the cameras, and not produce on the field (at least when fit), I'd be extremely disappointed. But alas, his performance for Real later in their season, and (when fit) his performances for the Galaxy, and the fact he worked hard and blended with his teammates, earned my respect.

The guy's still got some game, and in spite of the idiotic celebrity, heart and work ethic. So good for him.

[Prenn]

That's a good point. England do need to build for the 2010 WC and beyond, and Becks most definitely will not be part of that future.



You got me pegged!

Hell, you guys should hire Dominic Kinnear (winner of two consecutive MLS cups with Houston Dynamo) for manager. :D

Then, while your at it, grant Brad Friedel England citizenship (he's been living there long enough), and make him England's number one, since your current crop of 'keepers suck ass. Friedel even has a faux English accent! :D

Seriously, I'm glad Beckham's here, for marketing purposes. He's brought unprecedented attention to an otherwise ignored league. But the thing is, if he came here just to smile for the cameras, and not produce on the field (at least when fit), I'd be extremely disappointed. But alas, his performance for Real later in their season, and (when fit) his performances for the Galaxy, and the fact he worked hard and blended with his teammates, earned my respect.

The guy's still got some game, and in spite of the idiotic celebrity, heart and work ethic. So good for him.

You're right, Beckham still has a lot to give but how long that will last for who knows. I just don't want him in the England side because I don't like the negative effect it has on the team dynamic, one good cross here or there doesn't cut it for me.

[Mikey10]

I'd pick Beckham even if he was playing for my local pub team if I thought he could deliver the goods. I hope he carries on playing until 2010.

[Van Helsing]

he needs his 100th cap for all his efforts.
he is the one guy who always gave 100% in every game.


I disagree with you. Nobody could ever say Beckham doesn't give 100% but pure effort cant replace the end result. He's no longer a 90 minute player, at least at the international level.

[Fung]

Capello is a good manager but he's not strong.

Well, that just shows you dont know what you are talking about. When Capello was a manager at Real Madrid he didnt take orders from anyone, if he did he would have played a more "beautiful" game cause that was what everyone was crying for. When it comes to the sporting side of the game its either Capello's way or the highway, just ask: Ronaldo, Cassano, Totti, Del Piero, etc..

[Van Helsing]

Well, that just shows you dont know what you are talking about. When Capello was a manager at Real Madrid he didnt take orders from anyone, if he did he would have played a more "beautiful" game cause that was what everyone was crying for. When it comes to the sporting side of the game its either Capello's way or the highway, just ask: Ronaldo, Cassano, Totti, Del Piero, etc..


Guess you missed my point. I cant deny Capello being a great manager with an outstanding track record but that being said can you actually see the English FA sitting back to let him actually do his job? I sure dont. The situation last year at Madrid where the owners' told him to bench Beckham, which he did & then after Beckham going to the press who in turn leaned on the Madrid owners who in turn leaned on Capello to play Beckham which he did. So who was running Madrid! Not Capello & that's my point.


Capello has the skills indeed to get the best out of the England players' but I just dont see the English FA taking a back seat to let the man do his job & I just dont see Capello questioning anything the FA instructs him to do & this is why I have a funny feeling about Capello being in charge of the Three Lions. I've always respected Capello as a manager but lost a great deal of respect for the man last year when he allowed those things to happen in Madrid. I think if he ends up with the job for England we will see a repeat of the antics of the owners' of Madrid on the part of the English FA. Some of you might not agree with me but I think it's fair to say I understand at least a little bit about reading between the lines of these high stakes & big moves within Football.

[sinner78]

Guess you missed my point. I cant deny Capello being a great manager with an outstanding track record but that being said can you actually see the English FA sitting back to let him actually do his job? I sure dont. The situation last year at Madrid where the owners' told him to bench Beckham, which he did & then after Beckham going to the press who in turn leaned on the Madrid owners who in turn leaned on Capello to play Beckham which he did. So who was running Madrid! Not Capello & that's my point.


Capello has the skills indeed to get the best out of the England players' but I just dont see the English FA taking a back seat to let the man do his job & I just dont see Capello questioning anything the FA instructs him to do & this is why I have a funny feeling about Capello being in charge of the Three Lions. I've always respected Capello as a manager but lost a great deal of respect for the man last year when he allowed those things to happen in Madrid. I think if he ends up with the job for England we will see a repeat of the antics of the owners' of Madrid on the part of the English FA. Some of you might not agree with me but I think it's fair to say I understand at least a little bit about reading between the lines of these high stakes & big moves within Football.


its robbie quaid!!
you always give yourself away by
- talking about beckham..
- posting on both the LA galaxy and england forum
- giving yourself a vampire related name


haha

[Van Helsing]

Also if you remember it was Capello who blamed the owners' of Madrid for letting Beckham go & in turn it was the owners' trying to pin all the blame on Capello. Capello stated the owners' forced him to sit Beckham & if this is all true well then it's not the mark of a strong man & this has been my point. If what Capello stated is true then at that time the right move would have been for Capello to stand his ground & tell the Madrid owners' to step back & let him decide who will, & will not play. Capello didn't do this.



The one who really had the last laugh was Beckham. When he understood his popularity was back on the rise with the Galaxy deal being front page news he did what he's always done in his career which was go to the media & in a polite manner state he wished to complete his Madrid career on a high by playing for the team. This is not something I've made up but based on fact. The media then came down on the owners' of Madrid who thus came down on Capello who folded & relented. For Capello to bend to the whims of the Madrid owners' to begin with not once, but twice is what makes me feel uneasy about he running the three lions as the English FA I feel will want him to jump through hoops as well & since it is they who will be putting the butter on his bread I'm pretty sure he will fall into line.


As for Beckham well he's made his choices as well & went to America as I think he saw his star fading in Europe. None of us can deny he has had some great moments' with the three lions but in reality his no longer a 90 minute player. He lacks the pace & the overall toughness to stay afloat at the international level. He's more concerned now about his image & marketing ability than being a serious football player. Manchester United & Fergie saw this some years ago & that's why they decided to sell him. Some here will agree with me & some will not. Somebody here stated England needs to look & build towards the future & I agree with this person 100% England needs to field players' that will focus on putting country before club but the again many national sides need to do the same as well. Just seems to me most professional football players' are more concerned with the money they make from their clubs & national team duty takes a back seat.

[JeffS]

As for Beckham well he's made his choices as well & went to America as I think he saw his star fading in Europe. None of us can deny he has had some great moments' with the three lions but in reality his no longer a 90 minute player. He lacks the pace & the overall toughness to stay afloat at the international level. He's more concerned now about his image & marketing ability than being a serious football player. Manchester United & Fergie saw this some years ago & that's why they decided to sell him. Some here will agree with me & some will not. Somebody here stated England needs to look & build towards the future & I agree with this person 100% England needs to field players' that will focus on putting country before club but the again many national sides need to do the same as well. Just seems to me most professional football players' are more concerned with the money they make from their clubs & national team duty takes a back seat.

I can see where you're coming from, and in some ways Beckham deserves that reputation. He chose to marry Posh, and chose to do all the modeling, and chose to court all of the publicity and the celebrity lifestyle.

That said, at least in the last year or so, he's shown incredible heart, grit, determination, hard work and perseverance:

1. After being "permanently benched" by Capello (because Capello perceived that signing for another club would mean he wouldn't try hard for Real), Beckham pretty much kept his mouth shut, and continued to work his butt off in training. This caused Capello himself to state in the press that Becks was fantastic in training, and for both Raul and Gutti to beg Capello to put Becks back in the team. Then Capello did just that, Beckham played some of his best football of his career, and Real's season turned around, and they won the La Liga championship (not just because of Becks, but because of Capello's coaching and the other players).

2. In spite of the ankle injury, Beckham tried to play through pain for the Galaxy (which was unwise in retrospect, as it lengthened his recovery).

3. Beckham, while his ankle was still not fully healed, played a full 90 for England at Wembley, then took the red-eye back to LA, and played another full 90 for the Galaxy, and did his best, and didn't complained. He looked absolutely knackered in the second half of the Galaxy game, though.

All that said, though, I do think in the long run that Beckham's England days are numbered. He'll get his 100th cap in a friendly, but I do see Capello (assuming he gets the job), trying to rebuild with youth. He has to look toward 2010, and Becks will be too old by then.

[-Fifth CharM-]

Guess you missed my point. I cant deny Capello being a great manager with an outstanding track record but that being said can you actually see the English FA sitting back to let him actually do his job? I sure dont. The situation last year at Madrid where the owners' told him to bench Beckham, which he did & then after Beckham going to the press who in turn leaned on the Madrid owners who in turn leaned on Capello to play Beckham which he did. So who was running Madrid! Not Capello & that's my point.

BULLSHIT! .. thats how i would sum up your entire post!


If you knew what you were talking about, you would know that Real Madrid does not have a "owner". Like most Spanish clubs, Real Madrid is owned its fans. There is a groupe of fans called "socio" that number about 80.000 club. These club member elect a club president to run the club every 4 years, in a democratic way. The only way to become a socio is for another member to die because there is a fixed number of how many socios there can be and because of that there is waiting period of 15 years at least.

Capello said himself that he ONLY made the decision to bench David Bekcham because he felt that since Beckham had signed a contract with another club, he would not give his 100% to Real Madrid. The club management had NOTHING to do with it.

I don't know where you get your info from but it is obviously wrong. Capello is his own man and does not take sporting decisions from anyone. He choose who plays and who doesn't, it has always been like this.

[Van Helsing]

I can see where you're coming from, and in some ways Beckham deserves that reputation. He chose to marry Posh, and chose to do all the modeling, and chose to court all of the publicity and the celebrity lifestyle.

That said, at least in the last year or so, he's shown incredible heart, grit, determination, hard work and perseverance:

1. After being "permanently benched" by Capello (because Capello perceived that signing for another club would mean he wouldn't try hard for Real), Beckham pretty much kept his mouth shut, and continued to work his butt off in training. This caused Capello himself to state in the press that Becks was fantastic in training, and for both Raul and Gutti to beg Capello to put Becks back in the team. Then Capello did just that, Beckham played some of his best football of his career, and Real's season turned around, and they won the La Liga championship (not just because of Becks, but because of Capello's coaching and the other players).

2. In spite of the ankle injury, Beckham tried to play through pain for the Galaxy (which was unwise in retrospect, as it lengthened his recovery).

3. Beckham, while his ankle was still not fully healed, played a full 90 for England at Wembley, then took the red-eye back to LA, and played another full 90 for the Galaxy, and did his best, and didn't complained. He looked absolutely knackered in the second half of the Galaxy game, though.

All that said, though, I do think in the long run that Beckham's England days are numbered. He'll get his 100th cap in a friendly, but I do see Capello (assuming he gets the job), trying to rebuild with youth. He has to look toward 2010, and Becks will be too old by then.


Good post. It wasn't Capello that decided to bench Beckham. It came from above, meaning the Madrid owners' as they were angry with him holding off contact talks as he knew he was going to America. It's the owners' who put all the blame for Beckham leaving on Capello. If you have followed the news this past year even Capello himself stated his hands' were tied on the matter of Beckham. He was forced to sit Beckham on orders' from the top brass of Madrid. So he pretty much lost control of what he was susposed to be doing which was run & manage the team & decide who plays' & doesn't play.


What happens with Beckham's international career is anybodys guess. Who really knows? That's besides the point. My point is though Capello is a fine manager the English FA have a track record of getting far too involved in how the national team is run. Some might say well that's their job & I might agree to an extent. I just see them doing what they have always done which is meddle & I see Capello doing whatever they tell him to do in the same way he ended his tour of duty with Madrid. I guess it all depends on what each of us wants to believe. On one hand Madrid's owners put all the blame on the Beckham saga on Capello & in turn Capello put all the blame on the owners'. Pretty much two camps attempting to save face & in the end Beckham came out in the winner.


This is the only weakness I see Capello having which is being a bit of a flip flop. Not exactly the kind of mettle for a person to run such a high profile national side. It will be interesting to see how this all plays' out. I for one think Beckham should retire from internatonal play for England but I think there are others' meaning, other older players' that should step down as well. Again this is just how I feel about the England situation & as always some here might agree with me just as some will not. Guess it's just a matter of how we all see it.