View Full Version : Greatest Modern Player ??
BobanFan
01 Apr 2008, 10:09 PM
Do you sense Teso that often? :eek: ...
Teso always appears when Zidane is mentioned in a thread in BS.:cool:
Kulspruta
01 Apr 2008, 11:45 PM
I don't see how people can rate Zidane and Rivaldo much different, it seems like the frenchman gets all the recognition and a very similar player, with a different kind of flair but similar accomplishments and similar impact in the teams he played for is rated much lower by many.
kingkong1
02 Apr 2008, 01:11 AM
I don't see how people can rate Zidane and Rivaldo much different, it seems like the frenchman gets all the recognition and a very similar player, with a different kind of flair but similar accomplishments and similar impact in the teams he played for is rated much lower by many.I agree.
But that can be explained.
Specially in the 1998 WC, Zidane played among players in general of a lower level than him; Rivaldo in 98 and 2002 had at his side Ronaldo, Dinho, Cafu at their peak.
However, maybe precisely because of that, Zidane developed a sense of leadership hard to be found in Rivaldo, who was, yes, a team player but not the typical leader.
Although being, as you said, a player as technically good as Rivaldo, that in my opinion gives a different dimension to Zizou.
kingkong1
02 Apr 2008, 01:35 AM
Teso always appears when Zidane is mentioned in a thread in BS.:cool:Sorry.
I thought it was because of me.
I'll concede I'm not that famous personality as Zizou, but Teso has been lately been my Dark Eminence in the Forum, wickedly following me as The Shadow does to his victims...
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/2913/933653theshadowposters2yh9.jpg
David Hankey
02 Apr 2008, 12:30 PM
Modern, playing today Christiano Ronaldo. Currently he is on fire and no-one can stop him.
kingkong1
03 Apr 2008, 02:15 AM
Modern, playing today Christiano Ronaldo. Currently he is on fire and no-one can stop him.I agree, but...
If he weren't playing EPL, would YOU have he same opinion? :confused: ...
David Hankey
03 Apr 2008, 03:37 AM
The fact of the matter is, kingkong1, that the EPL is regarded as the best league in the world. Therefore, if you have a player at the top of his game in the top league he's got to be pretty good (I resist to use the word great).
Teso Dos Bichos
03 Apr 2008, 04:26 PM
I sense Teso is going to post very soon.:D
******** me.
kingkong1
04 Apr 2008, 02:18 AM
******** me.
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1579/chpshadowch0.jpg
Didn't I tell you?...
PS: Lost, son :p ...
naruto16
07 Apr 2008, 09:33 AM
Zidane!
Some people claim that he is overrated, but I beg to differ. He plays the game with grace and honor (other than WC2006 when Materazzi teased him for the whole game). He plays an important role in France success, if you watch the games you will probably remember that he makes more than 200 successful passes per game for France.
I will come back after Euro 2008, and hopefully I can put C. Ronaldo on this topic. He is the most exciting player to watch in today's game! He dribbles, he scores, he runs like a Ferrari, I hope he will have great success in Euro 2008 so the nay-sayers can be quiet and enjoy the excitement of watching Ronaldo play.
Twix
07 Apr 2008, 10:00 AM
Zidane!
It's only a matter of time...
Teso Dos Bichos
10 Apr 2008, 09:36 AM
Zidane!
Some people claim that he is overrated, but I beg to differ. He plays the game with grace and honor (other than WC2006 when Materazzi teased him for the whole game). He plays an important role in France success, if you watch the games you will probably remember that he makes more than 200 successful passes per game for France.
1. Aesthetics and completely irrelevant.
2. Incorrect considering his huge red card count for thuggish behaviour.
Twix
10 Apr 2008, 09:45 AM
1. Aesthetics and completely irrelevant.
2. Incorrect considering his huge red card count for thuggish behaviour.
Well, somebody took their time. :D
Teso Dos Bichos
10 Apr 2008, 09:46 AM
I know but at least it was an easy one.
gmonn
10 Apr 2008, 09:47 AM
1. Aesthetics and completely irrelevant.
2. Incorrect considering his huge red card count for thuggish behaviour.
Aesthetics are not completely irrelevant. The most efficient movement is the most beautiful. Control, strength and coordination equals grace. More grace is greater control, strength and coordination.
Teso Dos Bichos
10 Apr 2008, 10:03 AM
The above is rubbish because it deals with aesthetics.
celito
10 Apr 2008, 10:50 AM
I agree that Zidane's numbers don't look all that impressive for an offensive midfielder...specially compared to Rivaldo. And I have to admit I am limited to watching Zidane play with France and with Real Madrid (never with Juventus).
But what always impressed me about Zidane was his ability to use the team around him to it's full potential. He had an ability to know when to hold the ball and when to make the right pass to start up a good play. Because of that, he was very ellusive to defenders. On the other hand, while Rivaldo was tremendously talented, he was a lot more selfish. Rivaldo was (is) the type of player that needs everything to be played through him. He really likes to do a lot more himself. I compare Zidane to a maestro in an orchestra. It may not look like he is doing too much, but he keeps the team playing fluidly.
I have watched Rivaldo play quite a bit and it was always love/hate with him. Because he held the ball so much, you'd be pissed at him when he didn't deliver. But when he delivered, he was amazing. With Zidane, you had a very well balanced midfielder with beautifull technical skills and an amazing ability to coordinate the whole team. Obviously Zidane had the luxury of playing with excellent players. But I don't consider that a negative.
In the end, I do consider Zidane one of the greats of his generation. I think him and Rivaldo were pretty much at the same level for different reasons.
Twix
10 Apr 2008, 10:55 AM
This should be interesting. http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8882/mypopcornfl9.gif
Teso Dos Bichos
10 Apr 2008, 12:10 PM
What is 'football intelligence'? Like aesthetics it is something that cannot be defined because it is inherently subjective. Regardless of what you consider comes under that umbrella term the fundamental point that the vast majority still fail to grasp is Zidane's lack of consistency in applying it. I'll disregard the aesthetics and superlatives that celito used.
celito
10 Apr 2008, 12:35 PM
This should be interesting. http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8882/mypopcornfl9.gif
Well ... I am not trolling. That's my honest opinion. Rivaldo was definitely a player that could change the game by himself. But I think Zidane used the team around him much better.