Greatest Modern Player ??

[Teso Dos Bichos]

It's merely a crusade. What he did simply does not match up to the myth that surrounds him. Plus his fans also combine that with a pet hate of mine, using aesthetics as a means to 'objectively' rate players.

[phil80]

It's merely a crusade. What he did simply does not match up to the myth that surrounds him. Plus his fans also combine that with a pet hate of mine, using aesthetics as a means to 'objectively' rate players.

Yeah thats all he was is 'aesthetics'. You really got him pegged :rolleyes:

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Congrats on failing to read my post. :rolleyes:

[Perú FC]

It's merely a crusade. What he did simply does not match up to the myth that surrounds him. Plus his fans also combine that with a pet hate of mine, using aesthetics as a means to 'objectively' rate players.
That's exactly I think it's a personal theme, it's the only form which one could take a "crusade".

Personally, I think he's one of the greatest modern player, actually, one of the best 10 all-time and the best French over Platini, although I think it's possible someone rate him under a player as Rivaldo for example... but trying the comparison with Riquelme and mentioning he's "far more consistent" or "far more influently to his teams", I really believe it's take that crusade too personal :D.

[zasal911]

A lot of people are just naming some of the top players of the past few decades. The Greatests of an era are few and far between. I can't believe some people are throwing out names like Riquleme, Giggs, and especially TOTTI (are you kidding me?). These are players that have to do great things at both the domestic and international levels for extended periods of time and be the best at what they do.

The only players since the mid 90s that deserve to be in this conversation (considering the positions they play etc.) are
- Baggio
- Ronaldo
- Zidane
- Romario
- Maldini
- Bouffon
- and maybe Henry

*** and really, only MAldini, Ronaldo, and Zidane are the types of players you might consider putting on an all-time best list

I'll think back and always remember players like RIvaldo, Batistuta, Schmeikel, Ronaldinho, Crespo, etc. but they are not the best of the generation

[phil80]

A lot of people are just naming some of the top players of the past few decades. The Greatests of an era are few and far between. I can't believe some people are throwing out names like Riquleme, Giggs, and especially TOTTI (are you kidding me?). These are players that have to do great things at both the domestic and international levels for extended periods of time and be the best at what they do.

The only players since the mid 90s that deserve to be in this conversation (considering the positions they play etc.) are
- Baggio
- Ronaldo
- Zidane
- Romario
- Maldini
- Bouffon
- and maybe Henry

*** and really, only MAldini, Ronaldo, and Zidane are the types of players you might consider putting on an all-time best list

I'll think back and always remember players like RIvaldo, Batistuta, Schmeikel, Ronaldinho, Crespo, etc. but they are not the best of the generation
agree with most of your post but i would put ronaldinho before putting henry. ronaldinho reached a higher peak (eventhough it didnt last that long) and was a more dangerous all around player in his prime

[Twix]

- and maybe Henry
What?

[zizouForlife]

the greatest modern players are zidane and ronaldo(the brazillian). these 2 had the greatest impact in modern football. the longentivity they had at the top of their game was unprecendented. and if they stumbled (ronaldo after 98WC and zidane @ 02WC and euro 04), they rose up again (looking at u ronaldhino).

other ones of lesser caliber are

rivaldo and luis figo

the other ones are good: dinho,henry, kaka,requime, beckam, crespo, trez, etc

[kingkong1]

the greatest modern players are zidane and ronaldo(the brazillian). these 2 had the greatest impact in modern football. the longentivity they had at the top of their game was unprecendented.100% agree.

In impact and longevity I'd add Romário to those two.

Always, of course, with the necessary remark: 'modern football' started not 15, but 50 years ago with a player called Pelé opening the gates of world football to the offensive genius of the Black player: the 3 players we cited, Zidane, Ronaldo and Romário were African, mulatto & black.

Something unconceivable in pre-modern football.

[kingkong1]

Modern football=Mingling of races
on a football field.

That's what made football modern.

That's how we saw it in 58:

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2626/zzzzzzzzfrance201958bje4.jpg
Kopa & Fontaine's France 1958

That's how we see it in 08:

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4850/france1yf6.jpg
Barthez & Zidane's France 2008

And all that started with a single and emblematic play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_ox58IIHLQ

:cool:

[bill butcher]

Well, since the great Van Basten played his last game in 1993 (age 28, champ league final) I will say Zizou.

Post 1993, ZIDANE has been the best player without a doubt. never mind the fact he won everything, both personal AND team honours but his vision, control, great goals, numerous assists & ability to raise his already outstanding game for the big tournaments must count in his favour.

ZZ had Ronaldo9 as a rival & seen him off, same with Rivaldo, Figo & most recently Ronaldihno at the 06 WC when ZZ was 34 & Ronnie 26, unbelievable.
Those were all fantastic talents but when it mattered they all had to play 2nd to the French master.

One of the greatest playmakers of all time. A top 10 all time player & best player since MVB.

[El Mandrake]

La Pulga Messi.

[ChelseaForTheCup(s)]

Well, since the great Van Basten played his last game in 1993 (age 28, champ league final) I will say Zizou.

Post 1993, ZIDANE has been the best player without a doubt. never mind the fact he won everything, both personal AND team honours but his vision, control, great goals, numerous assists & ability to raise his already outstanding game for the big tournaments must count in his favour.

ZZ had Ronaldo9 as a rival & seen him off, same with Rivaldo, Figo & most recently Ronaldihno at the 06 WC when ZZ was 34 & Ronnie 26, unbelievable.
Those were all fantastic talents but when it mattered they all had to play 2nd to the French master.

One of the greatest playmakers of all time. A top 10 all time player & best player since MVB.

Lmao, you're going to use the 06 WC to compare 'dinho and Zidane?

Go back to 2002 bud, and see who was truly better. The entire Brazilian team didn't play well in 06.

I'd take prime Ronaldinho over him any day. Zidane may have played beautifully, but as his own manager said, didn't do that much for the team.

[zizouForlife]

zidane met the greats of this generation and conquered them all.

[Moishe]

zidane met the greats of this generation and conquered them all.

:rolleyes:

[zizouForlife]

:rolleyes:

do you better argument as to why not

[Moishe]

do you better argument as to why not

While I have no problem with Zidane being boasted as one of the most skilled players of his generation, to say he was the best is a bit over the top. Zidane benefited greatly from being on some superb teams. He played his role very well but this illusion that he was carrying his sides is too much. At the international level it was the defense that carried France and at club it was outstanding midfield players all around him.

[kingkong1]

While I have no problem with Zidane being boasted as one of the most skilled players of his generation, to say he was the best is a bit over the top. Zidane benefited greatly from being on some superb teams. He played his role very well but this illusion that he was carrying his sides is too much. At the international level it was the defense that carried France and at club it was outstanding midfield players all around him.I don't know why this obsession with great players who are said to have 'carried' mediochre teams 'all by themselves' :rolleyes: ...

One thing BTW I never saw happening in six decades of football.

But, let's assume that that's true.

One can simply say that talented guys who do that having around lousy teammates in fact benefit from it in order to show off.

They'd be like beautiful pearls among stinky pigs - and, by definition, almost as an obligation, they gotta shine.

On the other hand, if you're a pearl among pearls, and you still shine...

Sorry, that's much more difficult :cool: ...

[phil80]

I don't know why this obsession with great players who are said to have 'carried' mediochre teams 'all by themselves' :rolleyes: ...
On the other hand, if you're a pearl among pearls, and you still shine...

Sorry, that's much more difficult :cool: ...
agree completely, i dont know where this logic stems from that it is a criteria to classify the great players only after they carried a mediocre team. Fanboys like moishe use Riquelme's example with a mediocre side as the gold standard to judge 'great players'

[erick]

La Pulga Messi.

lmao that dwarf is not even in the top 5


c.ronaldo is 1ox better