Keane slams Ronaldinho

[Lancashire Lad]

http://www.football365.com/All_News/Breaking_News/story_75055.shtml

I have just seen this story, quite amusing dont you think? Dont mess with Keano!

[Desigol]

http://u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=12568&pt=s

[Unorthodox Yank]

the part i like most about that story is the little - not even a sentence - mention of jaoquin listeneing to Old Trafford offers.

this makes me happy.


but then again...so did ronnie.

[haven]

If Ronaldinho had Keane's commitment and determination, he'd be the greatest player in the world. Too bad, eh ;).

[Auriaprottu]

http://www.football365.com/All_News/Breaking_News/story_75055.shtml

Keane: "...to me (ManU) is the only choice, and that's above any other club in the world."

Uhhh...any other club, Keano? Need a little loyalty to go with that bias?

Let's hope he was referring only to R's choosing Barca over ManU... There's certainly no reason to choose ManU over Real, unless playing time was an issue.

[Snuffles]

It seems entirely reasonable for Keane to believe United are the best.

[Jawz10]

Thinking United are the only club in the world is a development entirely of the media, one Keane somehow fell into. In South America, Barca and Real are bigger than Man U. In Eastern Europe, Milan are bigger than Man U. Its entirely subject to where you are. Even then, historically, Manchester United aren't bigger than Liverpool or a host of other clubs.

[Lancashire Lad]

I am not sure what you mean when you say that Liverpool are historically bigger than United? Do you mean more title wins? TV coverage has always been away of expanding your teams fan base. The premiership and old first division is shown throught the middle east and asia, for example.

[blackadder]

Originally posted by Jawz10
Thinking United are the only club in the world is a development entirely of the media, one Keane somehow fell into.

Yup, the captain of the squad has been brainwashed by the media. Otherwise he'd be rattiling clubs that are bigger.

Numpty.

[giggs88]

Originally posted by Jawz10
Thinking United are the only club in the world is a development entirely of the media, one Keane somehow fell into. In South America, Barca and Real are bigger than Man U. In Eastern Europe, Milan are bigger than Man U. Its entirely subject to where you are. Even then, historically, Manchester United aren't bigger than Liverpool or a host of other clubs.

errr, i am not sure , i am sure manchester united was formed in 1878 a long time before liverpool, whom i think were formed in 1890's. but manchester united became manchester united in 1902.

[Jawz10]

Originally posted by Lancashire Lad
I am not sure what you mean when you say that Liverpool are historically bigger than United? Do you mean more title wins? TV coverage has always been away of expanding your teams fan base. The premiership and old first division is shown throught the middle east and asia, for example. Well, thats exactly what I mean. That the Premiership is such a fantastically packaged league and is seen in more countries in the world than any other would give many the impression that United are the biggest club in the world, seeing as they've consistently been the best team in it for years now. But, if one expands the scope of their vision into the past you'll see Liverpool have won more, in England and Europe if I'm not mistaken. Not to mention that its believed and reported that United are the richest club in the world, which is all well and good revenue wise. But, ultimately they still don't have the buying power of many teams, mostly continental sides like Real and Milan as is evidenced by their inability to snag Ronaldinho. Furthermore, if one expands their European scope they'll see many teams who have won the European Cup on more occassions than Manchester United.

So for one to assume that anyone would like to play at a club that is not the most recognized, acclaimed, or storied in Europe. . . well, Keane was taking the piss a bit, wasn't he? That isn't to say Man U aren't HUGE, rather, not the hugest or only option for a footballer today.

Originally posted by blackadder
Yup, the captain of the squad has been brainwashed by the media. Otherwise he'd be rattiling clubs that are bigger.

Numpty.My bad, what I meant to say is the captain of the squad criminally attacks players on the pitch and brags about it, can't cooperate enough to captain his country when they need him most, and will never be the same player he was after a hip injury.

Before I begin to look like a troll for responding to what was basically an strange excercise in rhetoric I will offer this. . .

Humpty.

[danjeb]

If Manchester is successful with their US tour in gaining a fanbase here (more than any other team and larger than it already is now), that market would easily put them over the top in being the "biggest" club in the world. I see it happening.

[blackadder]

Originally posted by Jawz10
[B]
My bad, what I meant to say is the captain of the squad criminally attacks players on the pitch and brags about it, can't cooperate enough to captain his country when they need him most, and will never be the same player he was after a hip injury.
B]

All your opinion, but at least it makes more sense than saying the captain of a club has fallen for media hype about his club being the best in the world (all those stories about real must have escaped him). It was a nonsensical thing to post and your dislike of the player and the club doesn't make it any more rational.

[Lancashire Lad]

Originally posted by Jawz10
Well, thats exactly what I mean. That the Premiership is such a fantastically packaged league and is seen in more countries in the world than any other would give many the impression that United are the biggest club in the world, seeing as they've consistently been the best team in it for years now. But, if one expands the scope of their vision into the past you'll see Liverpool have won more, in England and Europe if I'm not mistaken. Not to mention that its believed and reported that United are the richest club in the world, which is all well and good revenue wise. But, ultimately they still don't have the buying power of many teams, mostly continental sides like Real and Milan as is evidenced by their inability to snag Ronaldinho. Furthermore, if one expands their European scope they'll see many teams who have won the European Cup on more occassions than Manchester United.

So for one to assume that anyone would like to play at a club that is not the most recognized, acclaimed, or storied in Europe. . . well, Keane was taking the piss a bit, wasn't he? That isn't to say Man U aren't HUGE, rather, not the hugest or only option for a footballer today.

My bad, what I meant to say is the captain of the squad criminally attacks players on the pitch and brags about it, can't cooperate enough to captain his country when they need him most, and will never be the same player he was after a hip injury.

Before I begin to look like a troll for responding to what was basically an strange excercise in rhetoric I will offer this. . .

Humpty.

I think you have made some interesting points, but I dont agree with you about Liverpool. Liverpool has won more European Cups than United and was popular in the 70's and 80's especially. People tend to follow the most successful clubs, like it or not.

United have always been successful, although not very successful in the 70s and 80s. I need to look at wins in the 50's and 60's, but am sure that United were the most successful team of the two. The Munich disaster increased the clubs fame throughout the world. United have always been the glamour club.

In the 70's and 80's Liverpool were bar far the dominant club. Uniteds success was largely FA Cup wins.

From 1992-1993 season United are bar far the bigger of the two.

It must be remembered that football is more global, with higher attendances than the 70s and 80s. The audience is far bigger today. United are world leaders in football marketing.

Liverpool are a big club but not as big as United. You see a lot of Liverpool shirts around the world, but you will see a lot more United shirts.

United have always tried to balance the books. Never spend more than they earn. They could spend more, but they are more interested in balancing the books, and have a plc to keep happy. Milan has a wealthy owner. I like Italian football, but think English footy is more exciting.

[655321]

ManU is a bigger club than Liverpool. Liverpool has more trophies in both England and Europe, but ManU, currently, are larger in both funds and stature. However, LFC is not a publicly held company.

And "don't mess with Keano"?? Yea, talking smack to your own clubs TV station certainly makes you a tough guy...

No offense, and I understand the desire to boo Ronaldinho, but you guys got embarassed over this. Fergie and the board thought the ManU name would be enough to get him, and it wasn't.

[danjeb]

I don't think that is what they thought at all. I think it comes down to just how big Manchester is. Barcelona, although they play just as good a brand soccer, needed a new face. He will be that face whereas had he come to Man U he might not have even broken the starting midfield... Veron hasn't... and Ronaldinho definitely wouldn't have been the star. Ruud will fill that role nicely with Beckham's exit.

I also think he was a bit indifferent of the language barrier and wanted to play for a team who's past is filled with Brazilians. Barcelona treats them well off the field and on, with their style of play.

[655321]

Originally posted by danjeb
...had he come to Man U he might not have even broken the starting midfield... Veron hasn't... and Ronaldinho definitely wouldn't have been the star.

You're kidding, right??

He..."might not have broken the midfield"?? He definitely would have started, and he would have been paraded around as more proof at ManU's pulling power. Veron didn't break into the midfield b/c he didn't play well the first year, not because he's not talented or a big enough personality. But to think that Ronaldinho would have been starting on the bench, had he signed, is just ludicrous. He left you guys hanging, and then ran away with little or no explanation.

[Motterman]

Originally posted by 655321
He left you guys hanging, and then ran away with little or no explanation.

There are plenty of explanations, but the one I think is most likely is that he was afraid of Sir Alex not letting him go to London every night to party his little Brazilian balls off....

[Father Ted]

Originally posted by Motterman
There are plenty of explanations, but the one I think is most likely is that he was afraid of Sir Alex not letting him go to London every night to party his little Brazilian balls off....

according to Tommy Smyth: "Apparently, the real deal-breaker was the fact that Ronaldinho requested for the nights the nights he would like to go clubbing in London that ManU supply him with a private helicoptor. Knowing Alex like I do, I can only imagine what his reaction was. "

'nuff said

[Lancashire Lad]

Yeah he has a rep for enjoing himself. But clubbing in London if true would not endear him to SAF. Remember what happened after Lee Sharpe and Gigsy went to Blackpool.