Why ref's are to blame for simulation...

[benni...]

http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=1580253

How is this a booking for a dive?

Niemi did not touch him, but that doesnt mean its not a foul. I coudl care less if he didnt award the penalty. He just went a step further and booked him.

Fans wonder why players go down easy after 'contact'. You dont have to be touched before its a foul. I do not blame players who dive because its the ref's fault.

[RichardL]

Fans wonder why players go down easy after 'contact'. You dont have to be touched before its a foul. I do not blame players who dive because its the ref's fault.
you don't have to be touched as an attempted trip is still a foul, but a lot of players now just flop over as soon as anyone comes near them. Attempting a tackle and missing without contact, for example, is not a foul, but many players will fall over anyway looking for the free kick.

I do think the decision there was a bad one though, as the Fulham keeper's arms were up as if he was trying to bring him down. That doesn't excuse diving though. Ronaldo's history of looking for a penalty in those situations probably earned him the card there.

[thejuggernaut]

http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=1580253

How is this a booking for a dive?

Niemi did not touch him, but that doesnt mean its not a foul. I coudl care less if he didnt award the penalty. He just went a step further and booked him.

Fans wonder why players go down easy after 'contact'. You dont have to be touched before its a foul. I do not blame players who dive because its the ref's fault.

I think "The Beautiful Game" might be the worst possible forum to discuss the justification of Diving.

[benni...]

you don't have to be touched as an attempted trip is still a foul, but a lot of players now just flop over as soon as anyone comes near them. Attempting a tackle and missing without contact, for example, is not a foul, but many players will fall over anyway looking for the free kick.

I do think the decision there was a bad one though, as the Fulham keeper's arms were up as if he was trying to bring him down. That doesn't excuse diving though. Ronaldo's history of looking for a penalty in those situations probably earned him the card there.

Yes. Thats another problem. You do not officiate matches on reputation.

There are players who needlessly dive. I will not deny that. As long as referee's refuse to call fouls without a player having to actually be touched, then its giving players an avenue.

Im not saying that if all ref's called the right calls there wouldnt be diving, but it would go a long way to slowing divers down.

[JeremyEritrea]

Who's to blame for using an apostrophe S to form a plural?

[benni...]

Whose to blame for actually being a prick and caring about something so trivial?

[JeremyEritrea]

Whose - possessive pronoun

For example:

Whose English teacher gave bad marks to students that slept through grammar class?


Who's - contraction of "who is"

For example:

Am I the only person who's convinced that people should learn basic English grammar in grade school?

:D

[bandwagongooner]

I agree with the attention whore.

[roby]

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=629556

That particular call is being discussed in th Ref's Forum...as in hoo's at fault.

Play on.....

[schafer]

Yes. Thats another problem. You do not officiate matches on reputation.

It's inevitable that it will happen though. And not just with diving. I would guess that just naturally, linesman are a bit quicker with the flags when Crespo or Inzaghi are playing, that they watch Crouch a bit closer when he challenges in the air and that when Ronaldo goes down, he's less likely to get the benefit of the doubt.

Not condoning it, just saying that I don't really think you can do anything about it.

[benni...]

I think "The Beautiful Game" might be the worst possible forum to discuss the justification of Diving.

Not saying there is something that I want to do about it. Im saying that ref's like Mr. Styles are the reason some players feel the need to go down when certain contact is initiated by a marker.

Why should a player have to go down when he is being held back for a good 5 meters?

[RichardL]

Not saying there is something that I want to do about it. Im saying that ref's like Mr. Styles are the reason some players feel the need to go down when certain contact is initiated by a marker.

Why should a player have to go down when he is being held back for a good 5 meters?that is a problem, and is a reason for some players to go to ground after contact, but the majority of divers out there cause problems because they dive without contact. They are not doing it because defenders are getting away with unfair challengers, they are purely and simply doing it to cheat.

There are also loads who use any contact at all to fall to the ground and get a free-kick or penalty. Contact alone is not a foul. The game isn't a non-contact sport.

[Twenty26Six]

http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=1580253

How is this a booking for a dive?

Niemi did not touch him, but that doesnt mean its not a foul. I coudl care less if he didnt award the penalty. He just went a step further and booked him.

Fans wonder why players go down easy after 'contact'. You dont have to be touched before its a foul. I do not blame players who dive because its the ref's fault.


Geezuz, Benni. He was putting his hands out to catch the ground while his feet were still under him. You're telling me that isn't "simulation"? I'm so tired of professional athletes pretending that they aren't coordinated enough to jump a tackle and land on their feet. That INCLUDES players on my team.

The only thing unjust about this is that they don't card every instance of this crap.

Oh, and he should have gotten a booking for sarcastically clapping the ref anyway.

[thejuggernaut]

Geezuz, Benni. He was putting his hands out to catch the ground while his feet were still under him. You're telling me that isn't "simulation"? I'm so tired of professional athletes pretending that they aren't coordinated enough to jump a tackle and land on their feet. That INCLUDES players on my team.

The only thing unjust about this is that they don't card every instance of this crap.

Oh, and he should have gotten a booking for sarcastically clapping the ref anyway.

Right on bro. IMO the ref has a tough enough job, now he has to worry about Virtual fouls (or I-fouls).

[ForeverRed]

Geezuz, Benni. He was putting his hands out to catch the ground while his feet were still under him. You're telling me that isn't "simulation"? I'm so tired of professional athletes pretending that they aren't coordinated enough to jump a tackle and land on their feet. That INCLUDES players on my team.

The only thing unjust about this is that they don't card every instance of this crap.

Oh, and he should have gotten a booking for sarcastically clapping the ref anyway.

I agree.

Moreover, I find it comical that some people are still attempting to get around their players silly antics and therefore try to justify them by presenting an arguement like benni did.

[benni...]

Geezuz, Benni. He was putting his hands out to catch the ground while his feet were still under him. You're telling me that isn't "simulation"? I'm so tired of professional athletes pretending that they aren't coordinated enough to jump a tackle and land on their feet. That INCLUDES players on my team.

The only thing unjust about this is that they don't card every instance of this crap.

Oh, and he should have gotten a booking for sarcastically clapping the ref anyway.


They wouldnt have to jump and "not land on their feet" if they are awarded a penalty without having to fall. Niemi obstructed a clear goal scoring chance. Ronaldo could have probably landed but he would have lost a scoring chance.

That is a clear foul, and that is a clear penalty. Players go down in situations like that because if they stay up, they wont get a penalty and they more often then not, lose the clear goal scoring chance.

I agree he should have been booked for clapping sarcastically.


On another note, I like to look at diving as a sin of football. There are many sins, but for some reason the sin of simulation is frowned upon with more vitrol. But the fact of the matter is, no sin is worse than another. You are still sinning.

[benni...]

I agree.

Moreover, I find it comical that some people are still attempting to get around their players silly antics and therefore try to justify them by presenting an arguement like benni did.

Im not trying to get around the fact that Ronaldo is a diver. He is a diver, and the whole world knows it. So that comment in itself is a bit weird.

Im not trying to justify only Ronaldo's actions. For any player who is genuinely being fouled but doesnt get the call. Decisions go the wrong way a lot of the time in this sport. I know.

The point is, some players go down because the ref will not award a freekick. Giving away possesion may not be a big deal to some people but its unfair to have to surrender possesion in these circumstances, and its certainly unfair when a goal scoring chance is lost. [Which one of you will come and say life isnt fair... ]

The ref's job is though enough? He gets paid to do it. No one forced Mr. Styles to enter this industry, do your job right. When Im doing the wrong thing at my job, my superiors will not say, well your job is hard enough with...

[ForeverRed]

No ref is perfect and they will always make mistakes and call things unfairly sometimes. Players shouldn't try to solve that problem on their own and rather deal with it and play their game properly.

Players who take matters into their own hands don't solve anything but create more problems.

[benni...]

No ref is perfect and they will always make mistakes and call things unfairly sometimes. Players shouldn't try to solve that problem on their own and rather deal with it and play their game properly.

Players who take matters into their own hands don't solve anything but create more problems.

Players who take things into their own hands, solve their own problems. Hence why they dive, hence why Ronaldo was awarded a penalty against Spurs last season, as well as agaisnt Boro.

If that mistake causes my team an important game, there is no way to deal with it. You say just get over it, but you know that isnt reality. Very few players do, so to expect player to be perfect in that sense, but not expect refs to be perfect ...?

[Twenty26Six]

They wouldnt have to jump and "not land on their feet" if they are awarded a penalty without having to fall.

I totally agree with this, but that doesn't make Ronaldo's actions honorable.

But, if players stayed on their feet more often, players could make a legitimate case for fouls that don't knock players down.

...or he could have went to a different league.