Will Hugo's Formation stay with us once he leaves?

[Rebaño_Sagrado]

Every 4 years we choose a new coach to help lead our team to glory. Every 4 years we end up right where we started. Hiring a new coach and having him bring his own formation and tactics. This is just a bandaid to the real problem. Just note, we can't blame our talent.

What has been lacking the most in our team has been the continuity afforded by using one system for our national teams. The Dutch have their 4-3-3, the Argentinos have thier 4-2-3-1 and now, the Germans are using 4-2-2-2-2. These formations are used and taught to the youngest players in their national pool until they are pros. So by the time they are adults they are used to the system and the position(s) they might play. Changing the system of play might work on a club team, where players have daily contact with coaches that should know the system. But, on a national squad where the players might access the coaches once a month, its just ridicoulous.

This hasn't been the case for Mexico. Every World Cup cycle our players have to learn a whole new formation and tactics. Which, as we saw this past summer with players declaring they weren't sure what Hugo wanted out of them, is just counterproductive. Frankly, any coach that would take our job would have to be paid very well, and be crazy because its a setup for failure.

Its the equivalent of appointing a new CEO and telling him to raise the profit. But, he can only change the salesman, not the accountants, not the products, production methods, etc. Its frustrating for the CEO, you won't get high quality candidates applying. (See we can choose between Hugo and Lavolpe)...thats quite a pool of high quality managers. Expecting success under that type of organization would be delusional.

As we have seen with the Mexicans abroad now and in the past. Our players have the talent to both succeed and fail abroad (Europe, bleh). Once we address our organizational weakness we will be on the road to success.

[fireEagleCuauhtemoc]

super mega ultra omegaa hell no

[DGREAT]

i have one word for you corruption!!

[SoDamnSmooth]

i have one word for you corruption!!

Bigtime...

As a coach I always preferred the 4-3-3 formation. I pretty much name my own strategies but I always liked working with and had good success with the 4-3-3. Not many use it anymore but its a good formation.

[ЯR]

No, because it will fail

[1stYearCoach]

The formation will go away because anyone they put in after him will be more creative than he is. Hugo is a good motivator, but that's it.

[SoDamnSmooth]

The formation will go away because anyone they put in after him will be more creative than he is. Hugo is a good motivator, but that's it.

90% of winning is about having a positive attitude. Attitude is everything. Combined with preparation it creates confidence which very often beats out skill and talent.

[DGREAT]

90% of winning is about having a positive attitude. Attitude is everything. Combined with preparation it creates confidence which very often beats out skill and talent.

so basically your trying to give a david vs. goliath example???

[nanni]

the Germans are using 4-2-2-2-2.


!!WE ARE!!

WTF 13 players?!

i could have sowrn i only saw....no wait let me count...1,2,3,,,,11.

no dude we dont use 13 players...sorry but no we dont...:D

[SoDamnSmooth]

so basically your trying to give a david vs. goliath example???

Not so much... look at every winner/champion in any sport out there today. Aside from their skills they have an amazingly positive attitude.

[1stYearCoach]

Not so much... look at every winner/champion in any sport out there today. Aside from their skills they have an amazingly positive attitude.


I won't argue the value of the positive attitude. It's a boost for sure. That said, for a motivator, he sure has had issues with his players. For the most part though, they seem to be playing for him. But at the end of the day, Hugo will need to adapt to his players skills as well. Use them where they are best utilized instead of being a stubborn fool and forcing them to play his 4-4-2. He needs to become a better teacher. It will take the combo of positive attitude and improved coaching and flexibility.

[Solid444]

4 in the back is the best way to play period. You look at most teams that have accomplished anything in the last 10 years, they play 4 in the back. It gives you the best foundation to build on. The only two reasons to play any other way is if you dont have the players to play 4 in the back or if you dont have the time to coach it (we have both).

[nanni]

4 in the back is the best way to play period. You look at most teams that have accomplished anything in the last 10 years, they play 4 in the back. It gives you the best foundation to build on. The only two reasons to play any other way is if you dont have the players to play 4 in the back or if you dont have the time to coach it (we have both).


its not the 4 in the back we have a problem with its the 5 in the front of them we dont like...not them the way there set up!!

[Hecho en Chivas]

a 4-4-2 could work if we are to only play with one d-mid & a creative mid

something like this:

--------------------------Memo----------------------------------

---Osorio---------------Rafa------------Galindo-----------------Salcido

--------------------------Torrado-------------------------------


---Arce------------------------------------------Guardado------


------------------------*Nery--------------------------------------


-------------Cacho--------------------*Vela----------------------

*i would like to try Nery as an enganche. i believe he's got the traits to become an outstanding ball distributor for the attack, but he's got to stop being selfish

*Vela has been playing more of a midfield role in Osasuna, so he could also be used an an enganche to see how he does

[olephill2]

a 4-4-2 could work if we are to only play with one d-mid & a creative mid

something like this:

--------------------------Memo----------------------------------

---Osorio---------------Rafa------------Galindo-----------------Salcido

--------------------------Torrado-------------------------------


---Arce------------------------------------------Guardado------


------------------------*Nery--------------------------------------


-------------Cacho--------------------*Vela----------------------

*i would like to try Nery as an enganche. i believe he's got the traits to become an outstanding ball distributor for the attack, but he's got to stop being selfish

*Vela has been playing more of a midfield role in Osasuna, so he could also be used an an enganche to see how he does
Only problem with this line-up is that there is no room for Pavel Pardo. Unless you're thinking he will be phased out of the line-up soon due to age? I've always seen Pardo as more of a #8 than a #6 in terms of playing style.

[nanni]

A great youth Squad Using the guys who won the U-17WC
And FMF youn talent and good young players abroad........
and one Veteran...lol or actually 2....maybe 3..........but not 4...:D


--------------------G.Ochoa


I.Castro-----A.Galindo-----M.Moreno-----E.Juarez


---------------------------Rafa
[Barcelona Uses him at times here why not us too]

---G.Dos Santos-------------------A.Guardado


---------------Nery Alberto Castillo


---------O.Bravo---------------Carlos Vela

[LMvCP]

The 4-4-2 (and its variations) is not Hugo's formations, they go many years back, but if the question is if his 'preferred' formation will remain after his departure---that all depends on the new coach

If Bianchi, Gallego, Carrillo, Chepo de la Torre, Galindo are chosen, then I see the the same variations of the 4-4-2 formation in place.

If Bielsa, Scolari, Piojo Herrera, Pepe Cruz are chosen, I see the 5-3-2/3-5-2 formation in use.

The calibre of players is what determines what formation should be used, and which formation is better is more of a discussion on taste. However, more teams have shown success utilizing the 4-4-2. Funny thing is that many people say the 1970 Brazilian squad played a 4-2-4, many of the players and coaches on that squad resent the notion that they played with 4 forwards, they just had very talented and multifunctional players that understood the concept of attack and defending.

whether we go back to a 3-5-2 or remain a 4-4-2 is nothing to be worried about. If anything, players know a variety of formations. They should be exposed to it... it would only give the team more tactical flexibility as to what it can do.

[hsanchez5veces]

its amazin that your speaking of hugos departure. many fans cant see beyond hugo. that 3 years away man. many things can happen.

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[SoDamnSmooth]

In 2010 we would kick some serious ass using a 4-3-3

But I see Hugo's 4-4-2 doing just fine as soon as these guys get used to playing with eachother. The game vs the US showed it all. They really looked great out there most of the time. THe mid-field could still use a bit of work but it didn't seem as if they practiced two days (amounts to a couple of hours). They seemed to be on the same page. WE just need to find a way to put our defenders on stilts so they can stop those aerial attacks. Our speed has gotten much better.

[DGutierrez32]

Am I missing something? Has he said that he is leaving after a certain period of time?