View Full Version : Does anyone trust the FA?
dwanyewest
26 Nov 2007, 07:58 PM
The reason I ask this question is there are managers like Capello and Klinsmann who are free but what does the FA wish to? They decide to chase managers who are currently employed and wants them because they are "British"
Martin O Neill already said no but the insists they wont give up will not. Capello has stated his interest so whats stopping them? Is it because of the passport? Louis Van Gaal is also another possibility. These guys have won Champions League trophies yet the FA seems to prefer mediocre Brits.
sinner78
26 Nov 2007, 08:01 PM
The reason I ask this question is there are managers like Capello and Klinsmann who are free but what does the FA wish to? They decide to chase managers who are currently employed and wants them because they are "British"
Martin O Neill already said no but the insists they wont give up will not. Capello has stated his interest so whats stopping them? Is it because of the passport? Louis Van Gaal is also another possibility. These guys have won Champions League trophies yet the FA seems to prefer mediocre Brits.
where is the evidence they are "chasing" only british managers?
stiffmeister
26 Nov 2007, 08:42 PM
No.
dwanyewest
26 Nov 2007, 08:51 PM
I find it galling that Capello and Van Gaal had openly asked for the job and the FA have made no attempt to contact these people http://www.theworldgame.com.au/home/index.php?pid=st&cid=100465
dwanyewest
26 Nov 2007, 08:53 PM
wrong link my bad http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/26112007/4/capello-england-contact.html
three lions
26 Nov 2007, 09:17 PM
I find it galling that Capello and Van Gaal had openly asked for the job and the FA have made no attempt to contact these people http://www.theworldgame.com.au/home/index.php?pid=st&cid=100465
Maybe they are doing some research on whom to hire. It is an important decision that they don't want to screw up this time around..
dwanyewest
26 Nov 2007, 09:56 PM
Personally if I believe if history is any indicator of the FA selection choices they will inevitable mess it up. Graham Taylor is another disastrous signing that comes to mind they won't hire a strong candidates i believe that aren't yes men.
dwanyewest
27 Nov 2007, 12:29 AM
i feel this article validates my point
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&xml=/sport/2007/11/27/sfnmot127.xml
CherryBomb
27 Nov 2007, 12:45 AM
I trust the FA to sell some quality umbrellas.
I trust the FA offices serve some mean prawn sandwiches.
Beyond that?
Still hoping they'll prove me wrong.
Alan_V
27 Nov 2007, 10:56 AM
......... These guys have won Champions League trophies yet the FA seems to prefer mediocre Brits.
It's not necessarily the FA that prefers a British Manager. If you remember prior to McLaren's hiring, certain member of the media and several individuals within the game were outragged that Englishmen were not at the top of the list. They made it clear that the next manager must be English, and when the top couple of choices didn't pan out, they selected the obvious. Look where it got them.
England has top talent and a squad that can match up with anyone. They deserve the best manager avaialable, regardless of nationality. OF course an English manager would be a preference, but England need a big win right now. English managers have no proven that they can do it over the past decade or so. Other English candidates (Allardyce, Curbishley, etc.) on the list prior to McLaren's appt have not done well at club level recently, so IMHO that leaves no choice but to go abroad in search of the best.
England are too good a side and too proud a nation to go with less than the best available.
LJSoccer
27 Nov 2007, 11:23 AM
'I think there are various factors as to why we didn't get through (Euro 2008 qualification) this time but the quality of the the players was not one of those factors.' - From an interview on Radio 5 Live with FA board member Dan Johnson
I'm not English so you can take this with a grain of salt because I know that a lot of you are closer to the situation than I am.
Having said that, Wake up FA!! You may not be as good as you think you are.
I think that your leadership doesn't have a clue. One point out of 3 away games in Euro 2008 qualifying, has got to have something to do with the talent. Most teams are going to get the points at home, great teams and players go out on the road and do it. I think leadership starts at the top and at some point this has to be brought up. To blame it on the old manager and tactics isn't good enough. Frankly, it's the easy way out. I don't know how much a Brit or non- Brit manager is going to help. I say this from an American perspective. We get beat because we just aren't as good as the other team. Klinsman or Capello can't fix that and I think that is where England is at. Ok start the anti-American bashing.
-Offside-
27 Nov 2007, 11:46 AM
England has top talent and a squad that can match up with anyone. They deserve the best manager avaialable, regardless of nationality.
No team deserves the best and to be fair, there are better squads out there, maybe not as famous, but better nevertheless. There are certain things coaches cannot change. That is the individual performance of a player in a game. Bridge had the worst game of his life, Gerrard was awful, Carsson, after all the hype sorounding him, made one heck of a blunder. The players are as much to blame as the coach. If you look at coaches of the top teams, none are top class. Lippi was, but don't be foolled. Italy along with France, had the best squads back then.
The only top coach actually available and keen to take England to the next qualifying campaign is Capello. Why does he want this job? Because he's at the end of his career. A failure wouldn't matter and he'd still get a big pay check. Capello would get England qualified, but it would be quarters again for you, because realistically, that's were you stand. Above quarters is overachievement, winning the world cup, a miracle, but miracles do happen, see Greace...
Prenn
27 Nov 2007, 12:03 PM
'I think there are various factors as to why we didn't get through (Euro 2008 qualification) this time but the quality of the the players was not one of those factors.' - From an interview on Radio 5 Live with FA board member Dan Johnson
I'm not English so you can take this with a grain of salt because I know that a lot of you are closer to the situation than I am.
Having said that, Wake up FA!! You may not be as good as you think you are.
I think that your leadership doesn't have a clue. One point out of 3 away games in Euro 2008 qualifying, has got to have something to do with the talent. Most teams are going to get the points at home, great teams and players go out on the road and do it. I think leadership starts at the top and at some point this has to be brought up. To blame it on the old manager and tactics isn't good enough. Frankly, it's the easy way out. I don't know how much a Brit or non- Brit manager is going to help. I say this from an American perspective. We get beat because we just aren't as good as the other team. Klinsman or Capello can't fix that and I think that is where England is at. Ok start the anti-American bashing.
Yeah, managers don't matter.
Troll.
Placid Casual
27 Nov 2007, 12:04 PM
Yeah, managers don't matter.
Troll.
You are just being Anti-American....
Prenn
27 Nov 2007, 12:09 PM
I must be, either that or I'm finding stupid Yanks wetting themselves over England not qualifying rather tiresome.
Anyone who thinks that McClaren is not to blame for our failure to qualify is living in cloud cuckoo land, as I said in another thread the death of English football has been greatly exaggerated.. We were so close and in the end it was his mistakes that cost us.
Placid Casual
27 Nov 2007, 12:18 PM
I must be, either that or I'm finding stupid Yanks wetting themselves over England not qualifying rather tiresome.
Anyone who thinks that McClaren is not to blame for our failure to qualify is living in cloud cuckoo land, as I said in another thread the death of English football has been greatly exaggerated.. We were so close and in the end it was his mistakes that cost us.
Hmmm. I think I will take option B.
Stud83
27 Nov 2007, 12:23 PM
I am fine with FA taking their time before making a decision, I just hope they are not prolonging it for the benefit of pretending like they are doing something, with the decision already made.
All I ask is that the manager has a very good track record on the highest level, preferrably in several different situations, and has some kind of knowledge of English football (or at least the one that's shown in the past he's capable of adapting to various leagues and countries).
There are several managers that satisfy this criteria, and I hope all, or at least most of them are interviewed for the job. As long as FA does it, and selects a manager that they think is the best qualified for the job (and not the most loyal, quiet, submissive, with the best english or anything of that nature), I'll be fine with it.
AnyLuckForEngland?
27 Nov 2007, 12:27 PM
They are incompetent prats.
They are incompetent, dishonorable, and worthless.
Nothing will be fixed until the people who selected McClaren are also sacked.
We need all new management.
LJSoccer
27 Nov 2007, 12:43 PM
Your right. The FA is a top notch organization and we should be so lucky in America, to have men of this caliber making decisions for us.
So I take it that the answer to the question posed by dewanyewest at the beginning of the post is, absolutely. I trust the FA. In fact if I were England I wouldn't change a thing. I wouldn't hold the players, the board, the fans, the field conditions, the palaces that you have built for theses millionares to play in, the press or anything else responsible for any of the dismal showings that you have had recently. It's all tactics and Steve M's fault. There's nothing wrong, that the next "insert next manager", can't fix. Do you really think that if you had played 2 strikers up top against against Croatia that the outcome would have been different? You are missing the point. If it is such a strong side, you would have gotten the full 3 from that beef eating power, Macedonia, as well as Israel and Russia. It should have never come down to a game against Croatia, at Wembly, in November. I'm no troll, hell, we all pull for you over here. But anyway, get your heads back in the sand and I will go my way. Hope to see you in South Africa. I suspect that you will make it. I mean I think even the lowly US could come out of that group.
And remember, stand by the FA, it's noble work that they are doing, nothing is wrong with England. Nothing a new whipping boy can't fix.
sinner78
27 Nov 2007, 12:44 PM
Nothing will be fixed until the people who selected McClaren are also sacked.
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Barwick is an absolute nugget.
he should have stepped down out of the shame of picking mcClaren.