Der Club! The FCN thread 07/08 part II[R]

[footyfan1]

It’s really difficult to get over those penalties rafati didn’t call in Berlin.

It's really difficult to get over all the times they played like shit this season too.

None of this is Rafati's fault. This is the team's fault!

One match in Berlin didn't relegate them! And as Alex Frei showed in Dortmund today, no penalties are automatic goals.

No f#cking excuses! FCN has no one to blame but themselves. FULLSTOP! :mad:

[Schwalker]

What can I say...FCN cramped whenever they had a chance to score, I guess it´s been like that the whole season.

But I sincerely hope FCN will be back soon..:o

[footyfan1]

What can I say...FCN cramped whenever they had a chance to score, I guess it´s been like that the whole season.

Exactly. They had more than enough chances to score on either side of Bordon's goals. And yes, it's been like that the entire season.


But I sincerely hope FCN will be back soon..:o

So do I. It will be key for them to hold on to as much of the current squad as possible.

[Borussia]

Well, in the 67th minute, the FCN fans were already waving the white tissues at the team to show their disappointment.


Many of them must have left the stadium after the 2:0 ... since I met lots of Clubberer when I arrived at the main station around 17:30 o/c !



Even I thought FCN would at least give a better effort.......


Me too. Apparently they started well and created 2 good chances ... but after the surprising 0:1 lag with Schalke's first opportunity, they seemed to be losing their nerves. :rolleyes: Well, this team had a lot of quality ... but wasn't prepared for fighting against relegation (the same with BMG last season)!

I'm really sorry for all Clubberer (my brother is on holidays, so he thankfully didn't have to attend today's 'funeral' ) and can feel with them; but to be honest, I'm absolutely NOT sorry for Michael A. Roth & Martin Bader!

[Borussia]

Shit. So many good players on such a successful season before this one and now they get relegated.


It's simply unbelievable to see this team (look at the midfield & attack) being relegated just 1 year after their big success (spot 6 and Cup winner)! :eek: But well, there's a Franconian saying: "Der Club is a Depp"! :-)

I think that Hans Meyer (who had to cope with many injuries & the UEFA-Cup handicap) would have managed to keep the league in the end ... but well, Mr. Roth & Mr. Bader badly needed a new manager. Now we see the result...


such a shame, no "bayrisches derby mehr".


A real (Franconian) derby at least...;)

[Borussia]

No f#cking excuses! FCN has no one to blame but themselves. FULLSTOP! :mad:

Yep, that's true.

They got a last chance today ... and missed it once again!

And it seems that they didn't even fight as it should have been (from what I've heard on radio & from the fans I met in the metro). :rolleyes: Apparently the same mercenaries we had in Mönchengladbach last season...

[Borussia]

Here's a few post-game reports:


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=225029&cc=5739

http://www.bundesliga.de/en/liga/news/2007/index.php?f=94310.php&fla=1

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/spielpaarungsbericht/object/807858

http://www.fcn.de/index.php?id=17149

http://www.fcn.de/index.php?id=17152


PS: I can't await "Das aktuelle Sportstudio", since I still haven't seen any match scenes.

[footyfan1]

It's simply unbelievable to see this team (look at the midfield & attack) being relegated just 1 year after their big success (spot 6 and Cup winner)! :eek: But well, there's a Franconian saying: "Der Club is a Depp"! :-)

Why is it so hard to believe?? Aren't they the only club to win the title one season and be relegated the next??

Now they have a matching set of failures.

I think that Hans Meyer (who had to cope with many injuries & the UEFA-Cup handicap) would have managed to keep the league in the end ... but well, Mr. Roth & Mr. Bader badly needed a new manager. Now we see the result...

That is the biggest load of F#ing horse shit I've seen in awhile and I knew you would say that f#cking shit too.

There was a freakin' marked difference in the way that team played under Meyer and the way they played under von Heesen. One thing didn't change. FCN's bad f#cking luck.

They way they were playing under Meyer, they might have been where Rostock is too.

You may not have liked it or how they did it, but they needed to shake the team up when they fired Meyer.

They weren't showing any f#cking life under Meyer!

You sit there and say Meyer would have kept them up. I say they would have been worse.

You know what's right? We both don't f#cking know! I do know I saw a difference in that team after TvH took over. I know that f#cking much.

So save your sad ass devotion to Meyer. FCN management did what any responsible management team would do in that case. They tried to light a fire under their team.

Given the same situation, they would probably make the same move and they would still be right.

The luck just didn't f#cking change. It was bad f#cking FCN luck. We've seen it happen many times before. Why are you acting like this is such a f#cking surprise? :mad:

[Klask]

There was a freakin' marked difference in the way that team played under Meyer and the way they played under von Heesen. One thing didn't change. FCN's bad f#cking luck.

They way they were playing under Meyer, they might have been where Rostock is too.

You may not have liked it or how they did it, but they needed to shake the team up when they fired Meyer.

They weren't showing any f#cking life under Meyer!

Exactly. Nothing changed under the last few weeks under Meyer that would make one think Meyer could actually do progress with this FCN team and save them from relegation. They looked quite dead, the pessimistic attitude was unbearable and the play on the pitch .. yuck..

It was also obvious to me that the team was on another mental and playing level under TvH. Something Meyer didn't seem to be able to get out of this team. Not saying Meyer is a bad coach, but it was just time for him to leave FCN and change was needed.

I've heard the statement about FCN being saved from relegation if Meyer had not been fired, but I have yet to hear reasonable arguments. As I said earlier, I failed to see any progress under Meyer before he was fired that would make me think this guy could save this team from relegation.

I also agree that FCN would have been even worse if Meyer had stayed. At least TvH came in with fresh ideas, new mentality and improved their game. Something Meyer hardly would have done with this team. They were on the right way.

[Duncan Idaho]

I don't want to take part in the speculation whether Meyer would have done better, but in my opinion, which I admit isn't that weighty as I don't follow Nuremberg, there wasn't much of an improvement with TvH. I already expected Nuremberg's relegation since matchday 30 and I regard Nuremberg lucky that they still had the chance until the end

[Borussia]

There was a freakin' marked difference in the way that team played under Meyer and the way they played under von Heesen.


I didn't see much difference...

I've seen a few good games under Hans Meyer in the Vorrunde (one of these games was against BvB, btw.) ... matches which were only lost due to individual mistakes and because they missed best chances (here we are again)!

But in contrast to T. von Heesen, Hans Meyer had to cope with injury problems and the double burden of the UEFA Cup! Nearby he didn't have a top striker like Jan Koller & a solid defender like Jaques Abardonado before the winter break...

And you cannot compare Thomas von Heesen's situation with that from Jos Luhukay last season, since our manager could only dream of such a midfield & attack (after Neuville's injury, Heynckes & Pander were so stupid to sign a Danish midfielder named Thygesen instead of a striker like Koller)!

I'm pretty sure that Hans Meyer would have managed to get his act together in the end with his experience ... but well, I do accept your opinion.

I've just taken a look into a FCN forum and noticed that the vast majority of fans don't trust in T. von Heesen anymore (even the famous reporter Mathias Zeck from Radio F criticized him harshly because he didn't bring in the 3rd striker Saenko after the interval against a very defensive Schalke team). So I'm really curious how Roth & Bader will manage to convince the fans about giving some credit to T. von Heesen in the 2nd league...

However, I agree that the players have to take the main responsibility for this "disaster"! Or do you think it was the "Fußballgott" who just punished Roth & Bader for their shameful acting during the Hans Meyer dismissal...? :-)



The luck just didn't f#cking change. It was bad f#cking FCN luck.


Yeah, it was only bad luck...

Therefore you mentioned above that they only have to blame themselves. :-)

[Borussia]

Just take a look into these faces.

http://mediadb.kicker.de/news/1000/1020/1100/3000/artikel/591612/mintal_vittek-1211047505_zoom66_crop_400x300_400x300+44+42.jpg

It seems they simply can't believe what happened...


Btw: Pinola, Wolf & Abardonado were the only players who cried tears and went to the fan curve after the game.

[Borussia]

Here's the match summary:

CLICK (http://www.myvideo.de/watch/4216069/Nuernberg_vs_Schalke)

[footyfan1]

I didn't see much difference...

Because you didn't want to. Those players gave a better effort under TvH. But I don't know where it was yesterday.

I've seen a few good games under Hans Meyer in the Vorrunde (one of these games was against BvB, btw.) ... matches which were only lost due to individual mistakes and because they missed best chances (here we are again)!

I was at that match against BVB. They won because BVB royally sucked that cold and rainy evening.



I've just taken a look into a FCN forum and noticed that the vast majority of fans don't trust in T. von Heesen anymore (even the famous reporter Mathias Zeck from Radio F criticized him harshly because he didn't bring in the 3rd striker Saenko after the interval against a very defensive Schalke team). So I'm really curious how Roth & Bader will manage to convince the fans about giving some credit to T. von Heesen in the 2nd league...

You forget something. Roth and Bader don't have to convince the fans of jack shit. If they fans want to stay away because TvH will be their coach next season, then they will. If they want to come and support the club, then they will.

You kill me with this "the fans" shit. These guys don't make decisions based on what "the fans" think. If they did, I'd venture to say they'd be in the Regionalliga.


However, I agree that the players have to take the main responsibility for this "disaster"! Or do you think it was the "Fußballgott" who just punished Roth & Bader for their shameful acting during the Hans Meyer dismissal...? :-)

"The Fussballgott" was punishing them when Meyer was still there, so you know where you can stick that comment.......

If "The Fussballgott" punished the club for anything, it was the newfound arrogance of the FCN FANS, since you believe they are so important.

I gave away my Pokalsieger t-shirt because those f#cking idiot "ultras" made me so damned sick of them......




Yeah, it was only bad luck...

Therefore you mentioned above that they only have to blame themselves. :-)

Of course. Is "bad luck" someone? Can the players not work harder to turn their luck?

Instead of working harder, too many times, the players simply got frustrated and gave up.

That happened a lot this season.

Mostly under Meyer........

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Good chances that von Heesen, regardless of previous agreements, will have to leave as he's lost the support of the great majority of the fans. If I had to choose, i'd say he should stay, look at what Luhukay did with Gladbach after he was given a chance to help them in the 2. Liga despite doing very badly in Liga 1. Von Heesen is a good manager, and I think Nuernberg would stand a strong chance of going straight back up under him, but I don't know whether we'll ever get the chance to find this out.

[footyfan1]

Good chances that von Heesen, regardless of previous agreements, will have to leave as he's lost the support of the great majority of the fans. If I had to choose, i'd say he should stay, look at what Luhukay did with Gladbach after he was given a chance to help them in the 2. Liga despite doing very badly in Liga 1. Von Heesen is a good manager, and I think Nuernberg would stand a strong chance of going straight back up under him, but I don't know whether we'll ever get the chance to find this out.


Like I just told "Borussia" and as I told you before on the VfB thread. The day football club executives start letting the fans make decisions for them is the day that club will go to hell.

I have little doubt TvH will be the trainer when FCN goes to camp this summer.

Whether "the fans" like it or not.

[footyfan1]

If next season's rules were already in place, we would be preparing for a relegation playoff between 1. FCN and 1. FC Koln.

Who would not have enjoyed that??!!

Who would sit here and say Koln would not have a chance??

[footyfan1]

Looks like the FCN board isn't listening to "the fans"..... :rolleyes:

Kicker.de - Nürnberg: Präsidium entscheidet einstimmig: Weiter mit Bader und von Heesen (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/378705/)

It basically means the President and the board got together today and unanimously decided to continue on with Bader as Sport Director and von Heesen as coach.

I've never liked FCN's President Roth. Not since the Magath thing.

But I think he's finally got it here. He's been around FCN long enough to know that if there is a club where shit tends to happen, it is FCN.

This relegation was puzzling. But with the right new players in the right places, if there is any team of the three who can bounce right back up, it is FCN.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

It wasn't just 'the fans', there was an interview with von Heesen after the game yesterday where he admitted to not being sure whether he'd be aloud to continue or not, he said they'd sit down today and discuss it. I guess they did - and I think they reached the right decision.

[footyfan1]

It wasn't just 'the fans', there was an interview with von Heesen after the game yesterday where he admitted to not being sure whether he'd be aloud to continue or not, he said they'd sit down today and discuss it. I guess they did - and I think they reached the right decision.

Dude, I have Premiere too. I know what happened. TvH wasn't as arrogant to go before cameras and say "I'm staying."

Plus, if there is any President and Board who could get it wrong, it's Roth and the FCN board.

But as stated, they seem to have got it right. They seem to be learning.