Der Club! The FCN thread 07/08 part II[R]

[BillPaul]

I think Klewer did well and I don't recall any major mistakes from him in this match. He also had luck on his side in some situations for example Jarolim's shot on the bar.

Defensively overall a good performance from FCN when considering they faced number 3. HSV were rather poor at creating the big opportunities expected from a top team. Ask Stevens for further details on his tactics in the match :rolleyes:

Misimovic's penalty was so damn predictable. Next time he mind as well point of the direction in which he's going to kick at for Rost.

I think TvH should have brought Mintal and Charisteas earlier on and substituting Kluge with Kristiansen makes no sense to me, unless Kluge had some kind of injury.


I was so excited because I finally got a chance to watch another Club game. This is only my fourth one this year and so far I would have to say this was their best performance.
I have to agree with you on the whole. I thought the new goalie (I don't want to add his name into my voice profile yet) did fairly well. I did see a couple of mistakes, but it's probably because the pretty young.

Defensively they played okay, especially when you consider how well Hamburg plays the majority of the time. Offensive way I think it goes without saying that they seriously lacked a finisher today. I thought the distribution from the Middlefield was pretty darn good when you compare it to the other three games I have seen.

If they play that well against some of the other teams, but are able to get the ball on the net a little more, I think they might get out of that relegation zone.

Billy
PS hopefully there aren't too many errors. My voice-activated software doesn't like that I have moved my microphone to the other ear. You would think a minor change like that shouldn't affect the accuracy too much, but it does for some reason.

[Klask]

I was so excited because I finally got a chance to watch another Club game. This is only my fourth one this year and so far I would have to say this was their best performance.
I have to agree with you on the whole. I thought the new goalie (I don't want to add his name into my voice profile yet) did fairly well. I did see a couple of mistakes, but it's probably because the pretty young.

Defensively they played okay, especially when you consider how well Hamburg plays the majority of the time. Offensive way I think it goes without saying that they seriously lacked a finisher today. I thought the distribution from the Middlefield was pretty darn good when you compare it to the other three games I have seen.

If they play that well against some of the other teams, but are able to get the ball on the net a little more, I think they might get out of that relegation zone.

Definitely. They are on the right way and have been since TvH took over IMO. I think you guys will avoid relegation. I'd be a shame to see FCN go down since I can't watch Misimovic play in the 1 BL anymore :p



Billy
PS hopefully there aren't too many errors. My voice-activated software doesn't like that I have moved my microphone to the other ear. You would think a minor change like that shouldn't affect the accuracy too much, but it does for some reason.

Don't worry. It's fine.

[footyfan1]

Definitely. They are on the right way and have been since TvH took over IMO.


Agree. They just need that one break....



I think you guys will avoid relegation.

I've seen this kind of horrible luck add up in relegation for a couple of FCN teams who had no business being relegated. However, I think this one survives too.



I'd be a shame to see FCN go down since I can't watch Misimovic play in the 1 BL anymore :p

That depends. Is his contract good for the 2. Liga or just the 1. Liga? If they are relegated, I'm sure someone will tempt FCN with a good offer for him.

[Klask]

That depends. Is his contract good for the 2. Liga or just the 1. Liga? If they are relegated, I'm sure someone will tempt FCN with a good offer for him.

He sticked with Bochum when they got relegated and played one season in 2.BL and they won promotion. That contract must have been good for the 2BL. But his name is somewhat bigger today than it was back then, so FCN will probably get offers if they should get relegated. Maybe from BVB? :D

Regarding his contract, I have absolutely no idea if it's good for 2. BL. I've tried finding out but no luck searching the Internet jungle. However, I wouldn't be surprised if he had some kind of "Ausstiegsklausel" in case of relegation.

[footyfan1]

He sticked with Bochum when they got relegated and played one season in 2.BL and they won promotion. That contract must have been good for the 2BL. But his name is somewhat bigger today than it was back then, so FCN will probably get offers if they should get relegated. Maybe from BVB? :D

LOL!! :D

Nah, we've got Hajnal coming in. But I will say that I wanted BVB to sign Misimovic or Hajnal after last season. They didn't even look at either one of them.

Now they see Misimovic would have fit perfectly in our midfield and with us signing Hajnal now for 1.5M, we would have saved a million Euros had we gone for him when I wanted to.

But people don't believe I could do Zorc's job better than him! LOL!! ;)




Regarding his contract, I have absolutely no idea if it's good for 2. BL. I've tried finding out but no luck searching the Internet jungle. However, I wouldn't be surprised if he had some kind of "Ausstiegsklausel" in case of relegation.

There's no mention of a clause at Transfermarkt.de either.......

[Borussia]

Another painful away defeat (in Leverkusen) and still no win under Thomas von Heesen.

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/spielpaarungsbericht/object/807770

This is gonna be a "Nervenschlacht" until the last matchday for sure...

[footyfan1]

Another painful away defeat (in Leverkusen) and still no win under Thomas von Heesen.

It is coming. Leverkusen was just too good for them yesterday.

However, from what I can see, they are playing a more solid game, but still have had some horrible luck.



This is gonna be a "Nervenschlacht" until the last matchday for sure...

I still don't think so. The way they are playing isn't the problem. Yesterday, they were just beaten by a better team. Fullstop.

However, most of the rest of the time, they still seem to be waiting for something bad to happen.

I think the match next week against Bochum at the Frankenstadion will tell where this team truly is.

If they can't win that one, then yes, I'll start thinking your way about this thing.

As we know, it won't be the first time a FCN team really too good to be relegated is relegated anyhow.


That old FCN jinx. :o

[steelerdan43]

So out of the last 10 matches how many points do you think we need to get to not face relagation into the BL2? I think it starts with taking 3 against Bochum at home, I dont see them getting more than a point out of the next three after that. They must beat Biefield at home, hopefully get a point at Dortmund, and beat Duisburg at home. They might be able to squeeze a point out of Hertha Berlin and then I'm not seeing a result against Schalke to close out the season. So I think they could get anywhere from 7 to 12 points the rest of the way. But would that be enough? Thats only 25-30 points and the last few seasons saftey was 37,34,36, 36, and 40. But there are 4 teams within a game at the bottom, I think there is still a legit chance we can be the best out of that group especially when we play 2 of them down the stretch

[Borussia]

Welcome, Dan!

It's hard to predict how many points you need. I suppose that 32 p could be enough this time in order to keep the league ... that would mean you'll have to get 14 p out of the last 10 games. Win 4 of the remaining 6 home matches ... and I see good chances to stay in the 1. Bundesliga!


Here's the stats of the last 8 seasons for you:


http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/tabelle/liga/1/tabelle/1/saison/2006-07/spieltag/34

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/tabelle/liga/1/tabelle/1/saison/2005-06/spieltag/34

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/tabelle/liga/1/tabelle/1/saison/2004-05/spieltag/34

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/tabelle/liga/1/tabelle/1/saison/2003-04/spieltag/34

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/tabelle/liga/1/tabelle/1/saison/2002-03/spieltag/34

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/tabelle/liga/1/tabelle/1/saison/2001-02/spieltag/34

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/tabelle/liga/1/tabelle/1/saison/2000-01/spieltag/34

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/tabelle/liga/1/tabelle/1/saison/1999-00/spieltag/34

[BillPaul]

Welcome, Dan!

It's hard to predict how many points you need. I suppose that 32 p could be enough this time in order to keep the league ... that would mean you'll have to get 14 p out of the last 10 games. Win 4 of the remaining 6 home matches ... and I see good chances to stay in the 1. Bundesliga!
l]

I believe it will probably take between 10 and 14 points. They really have to start playing better if there's any hope at avoiding relegation.

[Borussia]

Still no win. :eek:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/match?id=224914&cc=5739&league=GER.1

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/spielpaarungsbericht/object/807781

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

I think Von Heesen is a good manager, and the team's failure to up their performance under him is a sign that firing Meyer, as I expected, was probably a mistake. I was very surprised when it happened, but I figured von Heesen is at least a good replacement, but his results so far suggest to me that the problem at 1.FCN really didn't lie in the coach.

[footyfan1]

I think Von Heesen is a good manager, and the team's failure to up their performance under him is a sign that firing Meyer, as I expected, was probably a mistake. I was very surprised when it happened, but I figured von Heesen is at least a good replacement, but his results so far suggest to me that the problem at 1.FCN really didn't lie in the coach.


Here's the difference between that team with Meyer and that team with von Hessen. With von Heesen, they are giving a more concerted effort. They are pushing harder. Under Meyer, there were some matches in which they really looked like they just didn't give a rat's ass when the match was on the line.

I cannot say anymore that the other troubles were Meyer's fault. However, management had to do something to shake things up and usually that is firing the manager. I still believe they did the right thing and will say that even if they are relegated.

I watch them closely enough to see the change in effort. TvH has them playing harder. There is no doubt about that. The results just aren't coming. Yet.

They are getting close, but as "Borussia" and everyone else who has followed "Der Club" for any number of years can tell you, there have been years when FCN had no business being relegated and they were anyhow.

I hate to say something just comes down to bad freakin' luck, but again, if you've followed FCN for any number of years, you've seen this all before...... :(

I mean, just look at this past weekend. Mnari gets hurt and needs to be substituted at 23 minutes and his replacement, Reinhardt, has be subbed off injured not three minutes later.

Bad luck.

I think this photo from today's "kicker" says it all for TvH.......

http://i30.tinypic.com/9ibbkk.jpg

[footyfan1]

It looks bleak, but in my opinion, FCN are not done yet.

Even with everything not going their way and Bayern coming in next week, just remember they are still just three points from safety.

Yes, they will lose to Bayern this coming weekend, but here's who everyone else in the relegation battle has this coming weekend:

Rostock hosts Wolfsburg: I think Rostock loses.

Bielefeld goes to Hamburg: I think Bielefeld loses.

Duisburg goes to Bremen: I think Duisburg loses.

Cottbus hosts Hertha BSC Berlin: I think Cottbus could draw or win.

If Cottbus were to win and the others all lose, FCN would be four points from safety.

If Cottbus were to draw an all the others lose, FCN would be two points from safety.

Here are the run-ins for FCN, Rostock, Bielefeld, Cottbus and Duisburg. I will not add Dortmund, even though I feel we could easily fall back into the relegation battle.


FCN

Bayern München
@Eintracht Frankfurt
VfL Wolfsburg
@VfB Stuttgart
Arminia Bielefeld
@Borussia Dortmund
MSV Duisburg
@Hertha BSC
FC Schalke 04

Stuttgart & Duisburg are mid-week matches. I think if FCN can win in Frankfurt, they will take enough points to survive. Even if they can just draw in Frankfurt, I think they will be OK. I also think they will beat Bielefeld, win or draw in Dortmund, and beat Duisburg. But the BIG match will be the one in Berlin. They will not want to go into that home match with Schalke needing a win to survive.




Hansa Rostock

VfL Wolfsburg
@FC Schalke 04
@Karlsruher SC
Werder Bremen
@Energie Cottbus
Hamburger SV
@Hannover 96
Bayer Leverkusen
@VfL Bochum


Bremen & Hannover are mid-week matches. I do not have the consecutive away matches wrong. Yes, Rostock must go to Gelsenkirchen and Karlsruhe in consecutive weeks, just to go home to face Werder Bremen. Looking at their schedule, I feel it is entirely possible that Rostock may not win again this season.....



Arminia Bielefeld

@Hamburger SV
Karlsruher SC
@Energie Cottbus
Bayer Leverkusen
@1. FC Nürnberg
VfL Bochum
@Bayern München
Borussia Dortmund
@VfB Stuttgart

Leverkusen and Bayern are mid-week matches. Bielefeld is at least showing signs of life. I think they lose to HSV this week and more than likely against KSC in Karlsruhe, but I also think they are entirely capable of beating Cottbus in Cottbus and Bochum and Dortmund at home.



Energie Cottbus

Hertha BSC
@MSV Duisburg
Arminia Bielefeld
@FC Schalke 04
Hansa Rostock
@Werder Bremen
@Karlsruher SC
Hamburger SV
@Hannover 96


Schalke and Karlsruhe are mid-week matches. Cottbus can put some room between them and the bottom three in the next three weeks if they can at least pull a point out of their match with Hertha and go on to beat both Duisburg and Bielefeld. I think they'll lose at Schalke before going home to beat Rostock.
After that, they might not win again. Although, I think if they really need it, they could possibly shock Hannover on the final day.


MSV Duisburg

@Werder Bremen
Energie Cottbus
@Hamburger SV
Karlsruher SC
@VfL Bochum
Bayer Leverkusen
@1. FC Nürnberg
Bayern München
@Eintracht Frankfurt


Karlsruhe and FCN are their mid-week matches. Looking at this run-in, I think these guys are the ones who are done. I think this is another team who could quite possibly not win again this season. I think their matches against Cottbus, Bochum and FCN are Duisburg's best chances to win, but winning AT both Bochum and FCN?? I don't know.


Looking at these schedules by my thoughts, and yes, I am a bit biased, the bottom would turn out like this.

FCN 29 pts
Rostock 29 pts
Bielefeld 27 pts
Cottbus 27 pts
Duisburg 21 pts

And I only have Bielefeld at 27 because I think if Doll is still the BVB coach then, Bielefeld beats BVB. But as I said, I was a bit biased when I did this.

[BillPaul]

You have definitely thought this out a little more than I have. The way I figure it, if they can't win they probably will be relegated. And so far they have yet to win under the new coach. Yes they are playing better, I will concede that, but still no victories. In my opinion they really probably deserve to be relegated. Any other year and they would probably be at the very bottom. This is a dismal year.

Keep in mind that if the club gets relegated it is even more devastating to me. It means I am unable to watch them on television or watching the highlights of them. They need to remain in the first division so I can continue to follow them avidly.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

[el-capitano]

All you need is one win and the confidence flows. Break the duck and you'll be safe! ;)

[footyfan1]

All you need is one win and the confidence flows. Break the duck and you'll be safe! ;)

Exactly what I was thinking.....

[Borussia]

It's DERBY time.


http://www.fcn.de/uploads/pics/fcn_fcb.jpg

27.03.2008:
"Wir wollen uns nicht verstecken"

Nürnberg - Erwartungsgemäß ist das easyCredit-Stadion am Samstag (29.03.08) im Duell des 1.FCN gegen Tabellenführer Bayern München mit 47.000 Zuschauern ausverkauft. Und wie vor jedem Derby war auch das Medieninteresse am Donnerstag auf der Pressekonferenz, die diesmal bei der TeamBank AG stattfand, sehr groß. "Die Spiele gegen Bayern sind immer speziell, eine Herausforderung", so Club-Trainer Thomas von Heesen.

more:
http://www.fcn.de/index.php?id=16827


Will Nürnberg be able to finally get the first win after the winter break just against the big rival and clear favourite Bayern Munich? They should remember their last home game against Bayern ... maybe that will boost the player's confidence. ;)

[Borussia]

http://www.fcn.de/uploads/pics/klewer_debuet_hsv_03.jpg

28.03.2008:
Club ohne Klewer

Nürnberg - Der 1. FC Nürnberg hat sein Abschlusstraining vor dem 26. Spieltag am Freitagvormittag (28.03.08) im easyCredit-Stadion ohne Daniel Klewer absolviert. Der Torhüter hat sich eine Mandelentzündung zugezogen und muss mehrere Tage das Bett hüten. Damit fällt Klewer, der beim Club seit dem 0:0 vom 9. März gegen den Hamburger SV zwischen den Pfosten stand, für das Heimspiel am Samstag gegen Bayern München aus.

(www.fcn.de)


So Blazek will be back in the starting line...

[Borussia]

What a huge chance the FCN missed today, since these Bayern (which obviously tried to save power for their UEFA Cup game against Getafe) were absolutely beatable! Nürnberg played a good 1st half and took the lead by a superb strike from Misimovic (44'), then controlled most part of the 2nd half as well, not allowing Bayern any scoring opportunities ... but instead of scoring the decisive 2:0 (what a chance for Koller after Lell's mistake), they suddenly concede a late equalizer from Podolski quasi from nowhere (great assist from Ribery, though)! Well, somehow it's typical for this season...

A win would have been very important, as Bielefeld took a point from Hamburg and Duisburg even 3 from Bremen.



Here's a few match reports:


http://www.fcn.de/uploads/pics/galasek_04.jpg

Club verpasst Bayern blaues Auge

Nürnberg - Der 1.FCN hat sich am Samstag ein 1:1 (1:0) gegen Bayern München erkämpft. Lange Zeit sah es vor 47.000 Zuschauern im ausverkauften easyCredit-Stadion sogar nach einem Sieg für den bravourös aufspielenden 1.FCN aus. Der überragende Zvjezdan Misimovic erzielte kurz vor der Pause das verdiente 1:0 (44.), und erst neun Minuten vor Schluss glich der eingewechselte Lukas Podolski zum 1:1 für die Bayern aus.

more:
http://www.fcn.de/index.php?id=16831


http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/spielpaarungsbericht/object/807788

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=639553

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=520953&cc=5739