Der Club! The FCN thread 07/08 part II[R]

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Let's wait up the "Sportsbar" on Franken.TV in 2 hours. However, I'm pretty sure that Klewer (who was terrible in the Cup against Jena) will become the Nr. 1 hence, since Blazek seems to have no more credit among the fans.

Klewer should get his chance.

Blazek has been, in my opinion, perhaps THE worst goalkeeper in the entire Budnesliga this season. He's been very poor and really doesn't deserve to keep his starting spot.

Really, it seems Schaefer's move to VfB has been a bit of a disaster for both sides...

[Borussia]

Blazek has been, in my opinion, perhaps THE worst goalkeeper in the entire Budnesliga this season.


Are you really sure, dear expert? Then just take a look at his "kicker" ratings...

I've just calculated his overal average grade: 3,2

Do you really think this is the worst grade in the Bundesliga? Nearby I remember a few very good performances in the UEFA Cup games (except for the match in Lisbon)...


Btw: Do you wanna see Rafael Schäfer's overal average grade from this season? :p

[Borussia]

Really, it seems Schaefer's move to VfB has been a bit of a disaster for both sides...

Well, he badly wanted to go to Stuttgart. At least you paid a nice fee for him! :p ;)

Schäfer hasn't always been the darling in Nürnberg (I remember many games in earlier seasons when he was booed, too).

[Borussia]

Btw: I'm going for this goalie as the new Nr. 1! ;)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1026/alexanderstephanty8.jpg

[JensLehmannsGirl]

Btw: I'm going for this goalie as the new Nr. 1!

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1026/alexanderstephanty8.jpg

You're such a tease, Uwe! ;)

And you know my personal opinion on that - I fully agree, he may be "young" but he's the same age as Manuel Neuer, and he's damn good from what I've seen, he's a "Little Lehmann".:D

That reminds me, I need to send you something rather...comical that my smartass cousin created...

[Borussia]

You're such a tease, Uwe! ;)


Really? :p ;)

I like Alexander (he seems to be a very smart & likeable guy), but I don't think it would be good for him to be the goalie of the FCN BL team in this situation!

Btw: What he needs, is match practice on a higher level than 4th league ... so I'd transfer him on loan to a 2nd league club. Unfortunately, my local team SpVgg Greuther Fürth has already got 2 decent keepers.


Gute N8

[footyfan1]

Btw: What he needs, is match practice on a higher level than 4th league ... so I'd transfer him on loan to a 2nd league club. Unfortunately, my local team SpVgg Greuther Fürth has already got 2 decent keepers.



Can't agree here Uwe. I believe goalkeeper is the one position on the field where if you've "got it", you've "got it" no matter what level you're playing at.

I believe if a keeper has the basic tools (good flexibility, great reflexes, good speed, good mind, ability to keep his nerve) and is not a complete idiot, he can be taught what it takes to be good at the highest level very quickly.

The key is having a good goalkeeping coach. :)

[JensLehmannsGirl]

Can't agree here Uwe. I believe goalkeeper is the one position on the field where if you've "got it", you've "got it" no matter what level you're playing at.

I believe if a keeper has the basic tools (good flexibility, great reflexes, good speed, good mind, ability to keep his nerve) and is not a complete idiot, he can be taught what it takes to be good at the highest level very quickly.

The key is having a good goalkeeping coach. :)

Well, if that's the case than, Alex has definitely "got it". From what I have personally seen with my own eyes, and I know people who have played and trained with him, he's agile, has cat-like reflexes, can jump amazingly high, is fast, and can keep his nerves under pressure.

I haven't seen Daniel Klewer play too much, so I can't pass a fair judgement in either direction.

And re: good goalkeeping coach - it's too bad we can't get Andi Köpke to come back and coach. He is, in my opinion, one of the best, if not THE best goalkeeping coach there is.:rolleyes:

[JensLehmannsGirl]

Really?

I like Alexander (he seems to be a very smart & likeable guy), but I don't think it would be good for him to be the goalie of the FCN BL team in this situation!

Btw: What he needs, is match practice on a higher level than 4th league ... so I'd transfer him on loan to a 2nd league club. Unfortunately, my local team SpVgg Greuther Fürth has already got 2 decent keepers.


Gute N8

Hmm, I am not so sure Alex would go to Greuther Fürth anyway, that might be almost as bad as him going to the FC Lederhosen, our other rivals. :rolleyes:
And you are right he is very intelligent and smart, and I have no doubt in my mind that once he is the actual starting keeper and playing more, he'll be an unstoppable force. Call it intuition, but it's never been wrong before. ;)

[footyfan1]

Hmm, I am not so sure Alex would go to Greuther Fürth anyway, that might be almost as bad as him going to the FC Lederhosen, our other rivals. :rolleyes:

That is a one-way rivalry at best. No one at "FC Lederhosen" cares one bit about FCN except Uli Hoeness.


And you are right he is very intelligent and smart, and I have no doubt in my mind that once he is the actual starting keeper and playing more, he'll be an unstoppable force. Call it intuition, but it's never been wrong before. ;)

I heard the same stuff at FCN when Philipp Tschauner was there. Heard that at FCN about Darius Kampa too.

Sorry to doubt the "intuition", but history just doesn't back it. FCN and keepers just don't match up.......

[JensLehmannsGirl]

Sorry to doubt the "intuition", but history just doesn't back it. FCN and keepers just don't match up.......

It doesn't? What about Köpke for example??
And the reason I say intuition is because I had the same feeling about Jens Lehmann back in 1989 when I was merely 11 years old, back when he was at Schalke. And that's not just some "fangirl" speech either. That's simply constructive observation.

[footyfan1]

It doesn't? What about Köpke for example??
And the reason I say intuition is because I had the same feeling about Jens Lehmann back in 1989 when I was merely 11 years old, back when he was at Schalke. And that's not just some "fangirl" speech either. That's simply constructive observation.


Kopke and who else?? That's what I'm getting at......

BTW, I was quite a bit older than you and even though he played for my club's arch-rivals, after the first few times I saw Jens Lehmann, I said he'd be a future Germany #1. I am part of a fan base who was supposed to "hate" him just because of who he played for, but his talent rose above that with me.

You see young lady, it's not like you are the only one who saw that. But I do grant that it is "amazing" since you were all of 11......

[JensLehmannsGirl]

Kopke and who else?? That's what I'm getting at......

BTW, I was quite a bit older than you and even though he played for my club's arch-rivals, after the first few times I saw Jens Lehmann, I said he'd be a future Germany #1. I am part of a fan base who was supposed to "hate" him just because of who he played for, but his talent rose above that with me.

You see young lady, it's not like you are the only one who saw that. But I do grant that it is "amazing" since you were all of 11......

So you thought the same about Jens too? So, well that just proves to me that you have an eye for talent...and taste. :)

Well, the main reason I took interest to Jens, I can thank for being a Clubberer. As you know, FCN and Schake have our Freundschaft, so that is how I became a "Lehgirl".

But as I said, with Alexander Stephan, that intuition-feeling is the first I've had that since with Jens, so we'll see what happens. It will be interesting to see how von Heesen uses his Keepers.

[Borussia]

Hmm, I am not so sure Alex would go to Greuther Fürth anyway, that might be almost as bad as him going to the FC Lederhosen, our other rivals. :rolleyes:


C'mon, there had been players from both sides switching the "Stadtgrenze" in the past. We aren't living in the 20's and 30's anymore...;)

[footyfan1]

So you thought the same about Jens too? So, well that just proves to me that you have an eye for talent...and taste. :)

Well, with me, "taste" would have told me to hate him. However, as I said, his talent rose above everything else.



Well, the main reason I took interest to Jens, I can thank for being a Clubberer. As you know, FCN and Schake have our Freundschaft, so that is how I became a "Lehgirl".

Yes, I know all about the friendship. What's sad is that you're the only clubs who like the other. Well, Schalke has some 'bandwagon jumpers' now, but their only real friends are you guys. Just as they are yours.

I dig FCN because it was my local team for so long. However, being first and foremost a BVB fan, I caught hell from both sides of the fence. I told those guys that none of them can tell me who the hell I can and can't like. I still "like" FCN, but as far as I'm concerned Schalke and most of their fan base can burn in hell. And they feel the same about us.



But as I said, with Alexander Stephan, that intuition-feeling is the first I've had that since with Jens, so we'll see what happens. It will be interesting to see how von Heesen uses his Keepers.

von Heesen will use the best man for the job. The one who impresses him the most. That's why I laugh hard when others write as if the fans have influence on team selections......

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

[QUOTE]Are you really sure, dear expert?

What's with this?! I said it was my opinion. Am I not aloud to express my opinion without getting getting sarcastic cynical responses??


Then just take a look at his "kicker" ratings...

I've just calculated his overal average grade: 3,2

So what? You know all keepers get easy ratings on Kicker. That's actually a poor mark for a goalkeeper. And it doesn't reflect reality, as his performances have very often been bad. But he's received many sympathetic marks as the journos often blamed the team for the poor performances(rightfully so) and thus didn't take into consideration Blazek's performances. If you just LOOK at how he is in goal: you can tell he's prone to mistakes, is too slow, very rarely does brilliant saves. Marks don't reflect this. Watching him does.

Do you really think this is the worst grade in the Bundesliga?

Well actually I thought this over, and i've changed my mind. Piplica, when he was still a starter, was the worst keeper to have played in the BL this season. So i have adjusted my opinion there.

Nearby I remember a few very good performances in the UEFA Cup games (except for the match in Lisbon)...

So what??
I remember some very good performances by Piplica.
I remember some very good performances this season Schaefer.

Every keeper has some good days. Doesn't mean I rate them.
Good keepers will be ones where you'll struggle to remember bad days. Hildebrand was one of them, I remember just a handful of bad games over his 10 years with us. Adler is another - he has so far in his career had very few bad days.


Btw: Do you wanna see Rafael Schäfer's overal average grade from this season? :p

I've seen it. It is precisely 0.07 behind Blazek's mark. But that doesn't change my opinion on Blazek being crap, since I think that this season Schaefer has been crap. And I think you know my stance on Schaefer, so I wonder why you bring him up here, obviously it isn't logical to defend Blazek in a discussion with me by comparing him to ANOTHER keeper that I think has been poor this season. It doesn't make much sense to me.

[Borussia]

Yes, I know all about the friendship. What's sad is that you're the only clubs who like the other. Well, Schalke has some 'bandwagon jumpers' now, but their only real friends are you guys. Just as they are yours.


The friendship cooled down a lot lately, Keith. There aren't real friendships in the BL anymore within the younger fan generation...

[footyfan1]

The friendship cooled down a lot lately, Keith. There aren't real friendships in the BL anymore within the younger fan generation...


I've noticed that with BVB. All of our friendships have either cooled off or disintegrated.....

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

The friendship cooled down a lot lately, Keith. There aren't real friendships in the BL anymore within the younger fan generation...

some have cooled down, others have strengthened.

E.g. The Stuttgart-Cottbus and Hertha-KSC friendships are stronger than any other relationships that either of these four clubs ever had.

so it depends on the 'friendship' in question imo.

[Borussia]

What's with this?! I said it was my opinion. Am I not aloud to express my opinion without getting getting sarcastic cynical responses??


Sorry about my sarcastic response (I didn't mean it this way, though) ... but I was simply too pissed off that you jumped on the "scapegoat" wagon that annoyed me so much among a part of the FCN fanship!

Blazek surely wasn't perfect lately, but it's simply unfair to call him the "worst goalie in the BL"! How I told you before, I've seen many good games from him (one of those games was against you) ... and the solid "Kicker" rating surely didn't come by chance! Besides this, I don't think he'd be the Czech Republic's Nr. 2 if he's so bad...

If you judge a goalie only by his mistakes, you should be so fair and do that also with other goalkeepers! And I've seen many goalie mistakes this season...

It's simply not fair to blame Blazek for Benfica's goal on Thursday (that shot had a lot of spin, nearby he saw the ball too late due to 4 players in front of him) and the Sunday equalizer from Cottbus (the shot was deflected by a defender)! And exactly that happened (from a part of the FCN fans)...

I'm surely no Blazek fan (why should I be that as a BMG fan?), but I simply dislike unfair statements and the searching of scapegoats!