Der Club! The FCN thread 07/08 part II[R]

[footyfan1]

Yep. Somehow I felt that they would concede a last-minute goal...

Anyone who has been around FCN for any amount of time is just used to it. You just hope that once, it won't happen. Like that May night in Berlin last season.



But ok, that's football. However, it hurts since Nürnberg totally dominated Benfica after the interval and played as well as they did in the 2nd half against Alkmaar (Pinola's 30m shot off the post was incredible)! The defence was very strong, allowing the guests only 1 chance by Cardozo (who missed miserably) ... and then they suddenly conceded the 1:2 from nowhere. However, how mentioned before, that's typical for this season! The Fußballgott isn't a Clubberer anymore.

When has the fussballgott ever been a Clubberer besides that night last May in Berlin? Back in the 20's?

Being a FCN is like being a Boston Red Sox fan (I am) prior to 2004. You know they are going to break your heart in the worst ways, but you love them anyhow......

You're right Uwe. It hurt more because FCN f#cking dominated Benfica, a team I thought would kick the shit out of FCN.

But as the match went on last night, I told a friend of mine around the 80th minute that FCN needed to get a third and if they didn't, something bad would happen.

Damnit, I hated to be right, but that is what years of following FCN does to you. You can just see it coming.....

But I will also admit to becoming excited right before Benfica laid the hammer down. Sometimes even I even let the "fan" in me come out! :D


Nevertheless, the team & fans can be proud of this performance!


Yes, I am. I thought last night's performance was their best of the season. They just have to start hitting the goal more. And I think that will come.


They gave one of the UEFA Cup top teams a great fight and proved that even the Nr. 16 of the Bundesliga can compete on the international stage! Kudos for their good performance in their first international season after many years!

Sorry dude. While I expected Benfica to kick FCN's asses, I don't think you can call them one of the "UEFA Cup top teams." They are a big name, yes, but there were over ten more teams playing in this tournament last night who are either better than or arguably better than Benfica.

And while your "Number 16 in the Bundesliga...." comment is factual right now, I think we both know that FCN is truly better than "Number 16 in the Bundesliga."

Let's be real man......

[Borussia]

F*king relegation zone SUCKS, and I want our boys out of there, we deserve better than that, and we ARE better than that. :(

Of course you are, but my guys from BMG thought the same last season (after we had invested almost € 10 million in the team). If you drop into the relegation zone for some reason, have many injury problems and aren't mentally prepared for the "Abstiegskampf" ... it's gonna be very, very tough to leave that zone again! However, I still think that your guys are strong enough to survive.

The question will be how they will cope with last night's "shock". This game surely affected your team physically and metally...

[footyfan1]

The question will be how they will cope with last night's "shock". This game surely affected your team physically and mentally...

Uwe, if the rest of the team feels the way that Saenko did after the match, I think FCN will be just fine.

I actually feel for Cottbus this weekend. I think FCN are going to lay an asskicking on them.

[Borussia]

But as the match went on last night, I told a friend of mine around the 80th minute that FCN needed to get a third and if they didn't, something bad would happen.


Obviously it's a Franconian (or even Bavarian, since it happened to Bayern as well in 1999) "disease" to concede 2 last minute goals in important games ... since it happened to Fürth, too (1/4 final Cup match in 2003, when they conceded 2 injury time "shockers" against Werder Bremen after a 2:1 lead).



I don't think you can call them one of the "UEFA Cup top teams." They are a big name, yes, but there were over ten more teams playing in this tournament last night who are either better than or arguably better than Benfica.


Don't forget that Benfica played CL ... and I remember them playing quite well against Milan, at Celtic Park and in Donetsk!

For me they still are among the favs for winning the UEFA-Cup (although they played poorly against Nürnberg).



I actually feel for Cottbus this weekend. I think FCN are going to lay an asskicking on them.

I wouldn't underestimate them. They are always fighting like hell and are mentally perfectly prepared for the "Abstiegskampf"! I think all will depend on whether FCN manages to score an early goal...

[JensLehmannsGirl]

I actually feel for Cottbus this weekend. I think FCN are going to lay an asskicking on them.

I certainly hope so, we need to lay an asskicking on someone, we're long overdue for that, and we need that now more than ever...all we need to do is keep up a STRONG defense, just in case Cottbus gets any bright ideas, and also, of course have a wicked offense where we just keep attacking their goal and don't let up until we've shot a bunch through, we need GOALS.

[footyfan1]

Obviously it's a Franconian (or even Bavarian, since it happened to Bayern as well in 1999) "disease" to concede 2 last minute goals in important games ... since it happened to Fürth, too (1/4 final Cup match in 2003, when they conceded 2 injury time "shockers" against Werder Bremen after a 2:1 lead).

It has happened to many teams in many places. Not everything is about Franconia or Bavaria.

It's happened to Bayern once in recent memory and you throw them in there? Come on man. That should tell you you're overdoing it.......




Don't forget that Benfica played CL ... and I remember them playing quite well against Milan, at Celtic Park and in Donetsk!

Dude. Benfica played CL because they're in the f#cking Portugese League. You can ticket them, Sporting and FC Porto for Europe every year.

That's like calling Rangers a great team because they play in Europe every season. Shit man, your team could qualify for Europe every season if they played in that league!

And you say Benfica played quite well in the CL? Then why are they out?

That's right! Because they weren't good enough!

Dude, anyone can play over their freakin' heads on Euro evenings.

But I thought they were good enough to slam FCN. They just showed their true colors.

Man, you amaze me at times how you can write about certain players, point to one goal or a few goals that player has made and think that makes them "good."

Or how you can point at a team, point out a good performance or a few good performances and think that means they are better than they actually are.


For me they still are among the favs for winning the UEFA-Cup (although they played poorly against Nürnberg).

LOL!! Wait. You have clubs like Bayern, Bremen, HSV, Leverkusen, Tottenham, Everton, Marseille, PSV Eindhoven and Fiorentina left in this thing and Benfica is among your favorites?

LMAO!!

The only reason I think Benfica even has a shot against Getafe in the next round is because the second leg is in Lisbon. I think that's their only shot.

But if you're right, I'll be happy to give you your props. I can see how FCN fans hope Benfica does well the rest of the competition, but I think they aren't going to get past Getafe.

[JensLehmannsGirl]

Of course you are, but my guys from BMG thought the same last season (after we had invested almost € 10 million in the team). If you drop into the relegation zone for some reason, have many injury problems and aren't mentally prepared for the "Abstiegskampf" ... it's gonna be very, very tough to leave that zone again! However, I still think that your guys are strong enough to survive.

The question will be how they will cope with last night's "shock". This game surely affected your team physically and metally...

Well, like footyfan1 said about Ivan...I'm "over it" as well. Yes it sucks that it happened, but, being an FCN fan, you get used to that kind of thing, and the ups and downs. But I think, and hope, our boys got a taste of what they always knew they could do once they put their minds to it, and got into fight mode, and that has made them want MORE of that, so they'll up their games even more against Cottbus.

And I hope we can get out of the Relegations zone, it's not where my team deserves to be. And last night I had a Stammtisch I had to go to, and I had on one of my FCN Trikots, and the LOOKS some people were giving me, (looks of pity) I was just waiting for someone to take a shot at FCN, and I would have gone into Franken-defensive mode. :p

[footyfan1]

I certainly hope so, we need to lay an asskicking on someone, we're long overdue for that, and we need that now more than ever...all we need to do is keep up a STRONG defense, just in case Cottbus gets any bright ideas, and also, of course have a wicked offense where we just keep attacking their goal and don't let up until we've shot a bunch through, we need GOALS.

Koller will score early and the rout will be on....... :cool:

[JensLehmannsGirl]

Koller will score early and the rout will be on....... :cool:

I certainly hope your prediction about Koller is right. That man is a BEAST, and he is capable of some serious goal scorage (is that a word??), so et's hope he sets the pace for the rest of the team. Do we know our lineup against Cottbus yet?

[Borussia]

It has happened to many teams in many places. Not everything is about Franconia or Bavaria.

It's happened to Bayern once in recent memory and you throw them in there? Come on man. That should tell you you're overdoing it.......


Man, I didn't mean that soooo seriously! ;)


About Benfica: well, we have different opinions then. I saw them play against Milan, Celtic & Donetsk ... and they did impress me at that time! Celtic was quite lucky to beat them at CP.

They surely won't get past Getafe if they play like they did against Nürnberg. But the fact that they were almost struggling in these 2 games also shows that the FCN didn't reach this stage by chance, so you should give them credit too!

[Borussia]

Here's last night's choreo before I'm off.


http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8824/64749118pt6.jpg

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7472/27991165ih5.jpg


Have a nice day.

[footyfan1]

They surely won't get past Getafe if they play like they did against Nürnberg. But the fact that they were almost struggling in these 2 games also shows that the FCN didn't reach this stage by chance, so you should give them credit too!

Man. Maybe my memory deceives me, but I could have sworn that even before you joined this conversation, I was the one who said last night was FCN's best performance of the season.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I could have sworn that was me saying that.... :rolleyes:

[Borussia]

Here's a short match summary with all 4 goals:

CLICK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky0kO_nxcKc)


Gute N8

[Borussia]

Still no victory for Nuremberg under Thomas von Heesen. Fortunately, Bielefeld didn't manage to win either ... however, Duisburg could close up the 2 points gap now.


Here's 2 match reports with stats and a few after game reactions:

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/spielpaarungsbericht/object/807746

http://www.fcn.de/index.php?id=16646

http://www.fcn.de/index.php?id=16648



Quotation from Thomas von Heesen:

"Ich werde meine Konsequenzen ziehen, wenn ich merke, dass es zwischen Mannschaft und Torhüter auf der einen und Fans auf der anderen Seite nicht mehr funktionieren würde."


What does he mean by this statement? :confused:

[JensLehmannsGirl]

Still no victory for Nuremberg under Thomas von Heesen. Fortunately, Bielefeld didn't manage to win either ... however, Duisburg could close up the 2 points gap now.


Here's 2 match reports with stats and a few after game reactions:

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/spielpaarungsbericht/object/807746

http://www.fcn.de/index.php?id=16646

http://www.fcn.de/index.php?id=16648



Quotation from Thomas von Heesen:

"Ich werde meine Konsequenzen ziehen, wenn ich merke, dass es zwischen Mannschaft und Torhüter auf der einen und Fans auf der anderen Seite nicht mehr funktionieren würde."


What does he mean by this statement? :confused:

Thanks for sharing this...I had already seen the ones at fcn.de, but didn't get a chance to post them in here before you beat me to it. ;)

And I don't know what von Heesen means with that statement, that's very...confusing. What fans is he talking about??? Erfolgsfans...what?? I'm on the same side as the team, ganz gleich was passiert, so what's he getting at??

We really need to pull ourselves back together if we want to GTFO of this damn relegationszone. We can do it, we just need to focus, and be on the offensive attack and never let up. I know we can do it, we've done it before, and in this season, but not consistently. If only I knew a way to get the boys' team spirit and morale up. :confused:

[Borussia]

I really have no clue about what he might mean by this statement (I didn't see any match scenes and interviews). Maybe there will be some infos on "Franken.TV" this afternoon...

I knew it wouldn't be easy against Cottbus, so the result doesn't really surprise me (taking into consideration the tough Benfica match on Thursday).

17 points after 21 games is very poor, even my team BMG (which miserably failed in the end) managed to gather 20 points after 17 matches last season. To FCN's fortune, the opponents in the relagation zone are very poor as well this season, so the gap to spot 15 is still only 1 point ... what should be possible to make up in the end with the team's quality.


Gute N8

[JensLehmannsGirl]

@ Uwe:

I just found this article, that may explain von Heesen's statement you posted about earlier?

http://www.nz-online.de/artikel.asp?art=775771&kat=32

[Borussia]

Might be possible. Nevertheless it's a shame how the crowd reacted last night! Not only the board but also the fans start missing decency in this serious situation...
They obviously booed Blazek not just after the final whistle (the Cottbus goal was deflected and therefore untenable in my eyes) but even before the game when he entered the pitch, so I can understand his frustration!

It's not the 1st time that own players get booed in Nürnberg (just remember players like Louis Gomis, Toni Sanneh etc.) ... so the fans are obviously looking for a scapegoat once again. :rolleyes:

The Borussia fans did the same with Jeff Strasser 2 years ago, what simply pissed me off! :mad: I simply can't understand how you can boo an own player, no matter how good or bad he is (don't forget that Blazek saved the team's ass in Bucharest). Such an unloyal behaviour only makes the player(s) more nervous and destabilizes its/their performance...

Let's wait up the "Sportsbar" on Franken.TV in 2 hours. However, I'm pretty sure that Klewer (who was terrible in the Cup against Jena) will become the Nr. 1 hence, since Blazek seems to have no more credit among the fans.

[footyfan1]

Might be possible. Nevertheless it's a shame how the crowd reacted last night! Not only the board but also the fans start missing decency in this serious situation...

Sorry, not shocked. We've seen this before.


They obviously booed Blazek not just after the final whistle (the Cottbus goal was deflected and therefore untenable in my eyes) but even before the game when he entered the pitch, so I can understand his frustration!

Well, Rafael Schaefer is warming the Stuttgart bench. You know how the Clubberer are about their heroes.......



It's not the 1st time that own players get booed in Nürnberg (just remember players like Louis Gomis, Toni Sanneh etc.) ... so the fans are obviously looking for a scapegoat once again. :rolleyes:

I have to agree with you 200% here. I never met Louis Gomis, but TONY Sanneh was a friend of mine. That man basically gave the rest of his career for FCN. How? He played when he needed back surgery because he didn't want to let down the fans, his teammates and his f#cking, lying, scumbag coach who threw Tony under the f#cking bus when things started to go badly.


The Borussia fans did the same with Jeff Strasser 2 years ago, what simply pissed me off! :mad: I simply can't understand how you can boo an own player, no matter how good or bad he is (don't forget that Blazek saved the team's ass in Bucharest). Such an unloyal behaviour only makes the player(s) more nervous and destabilizes its/their performance...

I only agree with you partially here. I agree with you about Borussia and Jeff Strasser. I followed him there because he was one of my favorite Kaiserslautern players and "my Borussia" was too stupid to get him.

However, I will tell you how you can boo your own players. The same way you call your coach an idiot when he f#cking deserves it.

Being a "true fan" is not being "blindly loyal." In my opinion, a fan who doesn't voice their displeasure when something is wrong is not a true fan. If you don't let your club know you're dissatisfied, they won't change anything.

Here is what I hate though. Stupid fans, who don't know what the f#ck to boo and winds up going off on the wrong people.

You brought up the Sanneh situation. Remember, "Auge, Auge, du bist der bester mann??"

That is what FCN fans serenaded Augenthaler with even as he was arrogantly leading Der Club right back to the 2. Liga.

The fans serenaded this asshole and the team was losing because they couldn't stand his arrogant ass.

We had the same thing in Dortmund last year with management and Bert van Marwijk. Remember those f#cking idiots who tried to go after van Marwijk, who was being underminded by the very man who smiled in his face and was giving him "votes of confidence" while blaming everything he could on the man??

Now there are also fans who voice their concerns intelligently. But usually, football fans are one extreme or the other.

I could type all day, but I won't. I'll just tell you that being "blindly loyal" does not make one a true fan. Being "blindly loyal", in my opinion, just makes you blind.

Let's wait up the "Sportsbar" on Franken.TV in 2 hours. However, I'm pretty sure that Klewer (who was terrible in the Cup against Jena) will become the Nr. 1 hence, since Blazek seems to have no more credit among the fans.

And if it gets to the point where guys get to play because they either do or don't have "credit with the fans", then Der Club is already f#cking doomed.......

If Klewer plays, it will because TvH has no confidence in Blazek anymore and wants to go another direction.

It will have nothing to do with who has "credit with the fans."

Again, if the fans are making personnel decisions, then the club is already doomed.

[JensLehmannsGirl]

An article concerning the current topic:

http://www.fcn.de/index.php?id=16651

I do agree with footyfan1 about the whole "blind following" type of fan.
However, I don't personally feel that booing and being extremely negative is all that constructive, either. I've seen some of the fans who DO have "constructive criticism", with the signs they make, for example the "Wach auf bevor es zu spät ist" - that's a hell of a lot more tactful than booing and jeering for an entire game. You can support your team, and let them know when they make mistakes without being an a**hole.

...of course maybe that's just me and my opinion, but that's how I operate my "Clubberer fandom". I recognize when something is wrong within the team, and can voice my displeasure or opinion about it, but tactfully. Not to say that things said or yelled in the "heat of the moment" doesn't happen, because it does, but again, there's a fine line of being a complete a**hole Erfolgsfan only, and giving tactful, constructive criticism.