Sons of Ben or SOBs [Mobile]

revsfan44

18 Nov 2007, 10:49 PM

I just wanted to make this posting at how horrible the Philadelphia fans (mind you they have no team) were at the game. They sat in the Revs supporter section and yet they were not cheering for the Revs. They kept on cheering for Philadelphia and the last I checked they do not have a team in the league. Also some of them were wearing orange shirts and took of their baby blue shirts to reveal them. This absolutely showed total disrespect and if they ever get the chance to get a team (I hope not for some time) I will make sure to re-pay them.

i completely agree. i love the city, my grandparents live there, and i was in favor of a team, but after today's showing, i have firmly reversed my thinking. how do people who don't even have a team try to yell at uss when they have no team th feel joy of pain for.

tossing bottles isn't what MLS is about. they are a wannabe english firm.

ps. GO ST. LOUIS

Mick7184

18 Nov 2007, 10:53 PM

I wasnt at the game, but this is why Phily should have a team. Phily teams and their insane fans are good for sports and rivalries.

revsfan44

18 Nov 2007, 10:56 PM

I wasnt at the game, but this is why Phily should have a team. Phily teams and their insane fans are good for sports and rivalries.

rivalry is one thing, but when they are throwing plastic bottles at us and being a second away from a fight, that is something i cannot support.

Mick7184

18 Nov 2007, 10:59 PM

like I said, wasnt there, but every group has it's bad apples. I meant in general, Philly has great east coast style passionate fans. I want them in the league.

revsfan44

18 Nov 2007, 11:12 PM

like I said, wasnt there, but every group has it's bad apples. I meant in general, Philly has great east coast style passionate fans. I want them in the league.

well, if you we're at the game and saw what was going on, i'm sure your opinion would be different.

GOREVS3000

18 Nov 2007, 11:20 PM

They weren't as bad as these dudes...

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/11/18/1195414101_2407.jpg

SuperRevsGooner

18 Nov 2007, 11:30 PM

that was unbelievable

Bryan76

18 Nov 2007, 11:31 PM

I'm sorry that today was your first impression of us. To explain the bottles...our folks didn't start it...at least from where I was standing and according to a couple of videos my guys have posted. We had purchased those 5 rows well in advance when DC was selling tickets to all groups and certainly didn't purposefully end up in the middle of your impressive travelling support.

I have much respect for Monty and you guys and am dissappointed that some good natured piss taking by both sides turned ugly near the end.

Ross

19 Nov 2007, 05:59 AM

Sounds like you're a nice guy and your colors are pretty but your group's classless self promotion and vocal support for the opposing team while in our section will not be forgotten.

SOBs indeed.

Dill0n

19 Nov 2007, 06:51 AM

there are 3 sides to every story ... your side, our side, and the actual truth.

keep in mind we were only took up 5 rows in section 228 (approx 80-90 people), nowhere near the amount of revs fan at the game. the DC ticket rep we worked with (who was brilliant btw), informed us we'd be between the toronto and chicago supporters, but not once was new england mentioned. that said, you won't see us come into your boards and start a "trolling" thread (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=623925), so before everyone starts pointing fingers and calling names, nobody here is innocent.

i had spoken to a good half dozen revs fans during halftime, all of whom seemed very supportive of what the Sons of Ben are accomplishing in philadelphia.

and for what it's worth, most (if not all) of us applauded the revs players when they walked over after the game.

firstshirt

19 Nov 2007, 06:53 AM

They weren't as bad as these dudes...

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/11/18/1195414101_2407.jpg

always classy to fly Old glory upside down...what a dick

SoB Davey

19 Nov 2007, 07:53 AM

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Take a close look at the 12th second of that clip. That's where the bottle throwing began.

celt1997

19 Nov 2007, 08:12 AM

Weren't the guys in the orange jerseys just wearing their school team's jersey? They were not Dynamo jerseys, nor were they Dynamo fans.

SoB Davey

19 Nov 2007, 08:16 AM

Weren't the guys in the orange jerseys just wearing their school team's jersey? They were not Dynamo jerseys, nor were they Dynamo fans.

It was a Holland jersey.

wolfp10

19 Nov 2007, 08:18 AM

miked9

19 Nov 2007, 08:22 AM

Judging by that clip, it's a credit to Revs supporters that you still have all your teeth.

celt1997

19 Nov 2007, 08:28 AM

I was more concerned about the DC season ticket holders behind me who seemed hell-bent on starting a fight.

You must have been sitting near some of us Philly supporters then, because I think I know the exact guy who you are talking about. He was absolutely out of control! At first I thought he was part of the Revs section and I'm thinking, "Why is he screaming at his own supporters?!?!?"

Bryan76

19 Nov 2007, 08:29 AM

I didn't enjoy getting nailed in the head with a bottle, especially when I had nothing to do with the taunting or what-not. I was more concerned about the DC season ticket holders behind me who seemed hell-bent on starting a fight.

I agree as I was hit with a navy streamer ball wrapped around a group of ice cubes. And that DC fan was WAY OVER THE LINE. He actually seemed to want a fight.

I posted on October 8th when we got our seats. http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12939986&postcount=12

DREWWW

19 Nov 2007, 08:48 AM

They weren't as bad as these dudes...

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/11/18/1195414101_2407.jpg

My brother-in-law works at the DOD...he was ready to kill someone, as was I

Mick7184

19 Nov 2007, 09:13 AM

My brother-in-law works at the DOD...he was ready to kill someone, as was I

Seriously, without trying to ruffle feathers, it's to be expected from fan bases like that.

United_Caps_Fan

19 Nov 2007, 09:34 AM

I didn't enjoy getting nailed in the head with a bottle, especially when I had nothing to do with the taunting or what-not. I was more concerned about the DC season ticket holders behind me who seemed hell-bent on starting a fight.

The ticket office should have placed them somewhere else besides in the middle of the Revs section. Having 80-100 non-revs fans in the section while a group of Revs fans were placed across the field was incredibly moronic and a slap in the face to our supporters.

I also found it classless when the Sons of Ben seemed more interested in taunting and heckling us for the entirety of the 2nd half, which included calling us the Buffalo Bills.

HELL NO! Those DC fans are season ticket holders and had the option to buy thier seats for the playoffs and MLS CUP Before everyone else. There were more DC fans there than both Revs and Houston fans firstly, secondly, we have a m uch larger fan base than the Revs, so of course theres going to be a large presale for DC fans. I believe 30K tickets were sold, mostly to DC fans, before the playoffs even started. Further more, its OUR stadium. Move the REVS supports, and the SOB's elsewhere. I do think it was a bad move by DCUFO and MLS to infringe upon the DC STH's by putting the supporters clubs where they did.

Far as the SOB's go, well I dont like them and never have. Most of them are DC United TURNCOATS. They will NEVER be welcome in RFK as far as I am concerned, and I will NEVER respect anyone that is disloyal.

I dunno what all went on down there, but I could see it from up stairs, and it sure looked to me like the SOB's were the ones taunting and trying to start stuff. I had a run in with a couple of them too, and they TRIED to give us crap in our own house, but it didnt work. They cant say crap because they dont have a freakin team. It was funny a cop saw this nasty exchange too, and threatened the philly scumbags with ejection if he saw them hassling DC fans one more time.

As for the upside down American Flag thing, well, has anyone honestly stopped to think that perhaps it was just a mistake and they didnt know it was on upside down? Ive seen it happen before. Sometimes things just are a mistake, nothing more.

Fiero20

19 Nov 2007, 09:48 AM

Judging by that clip, it's a credit to Revs supporters that you still have all your teeth.

if i had had my way, they would be eating out of a straw right now.

i had seriously never hated someone (or some group) as much in my entire existance. maybe it was because of the magnitude of the match and their selfish reasons for being there, or maybe cuz they are just a bunch of complete cokcs, but seriously, the SOB's are the epitome of scum. the ugly stepchild. a vaginal discharge. Chicago fans look good compared to the gays in light blue. i hope they never have a team, and i wished them death upon the departure home.

honestly when they first showed up i was thinking "ok, these guys could be cool...", but that quickly changed.

i dont care how hostpitable and nice you are being on the threads, because all of your actions sunday prove that you are all a bunch of sad, sorry excuses for soccer fans, and pathetic souls of human beings. stop trying to put on a nice front for MLS.

may god have mercy on you, cuz i sure as hell never will.

FWIW the DC security was just as pathetic, and i wanted to punch one of them in the face as well. he was staring at me - eye contact mind you - right after i got hit in the head with a bottle, and did nothing....

Chowda

19 Nov 2007, 09:53 AM

As for the upside down American Flag thing, well, has anyone honestly stopped to think that perhaps it was just a mistake and they didnt know it was on upside down? Ive seen it happen before. Sometimes things just are a mistake, nothing more.
Well, there was also a Che flag.

It's all the rage to be unamerican in a similar fashion really, really cool hipsters used to wear designer Che shirts in 2004.

Someone should inform them the "knockout choking game" is what the cool kids like to do in their spare time. It would solve more than a few problems.

United_Caps_Fan

19 Nov 2007, 09:58 AM

I agree as I was hit with a navy streamer ball wrapped around a group of ice cubes. And that DC fan was WAY OVER THE LINE. He actually seemed to want a fight.

I posted on October 8th when we got our seats. http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12939986&postcount=12

You dont even have a freaking club, and you people are already going into places, causing problems, harassing people...etc. Pathetic. Stay home, or get tickets in a section that is away from other supporters groups. You really had no reason to be there, let alone to taunt any other fans, and I saw ALOT of it from your group, towards DC Fans, Towards Revs fans, and Towards houston fans as well. If any of you ever get beaten bloody at RFK, you will certainly have deserved it.

And you, my friend are a huge, disloyal TURNCOAT. What does that say about you? :rolleyes:

The Magpie

19 Nov 2007, 09:59 AM

i had spoken to a good half dozen revs fans during halftime, all of whom seemed very supportive of what the Sons of Ben are accomplishing in philadelphia...

I was probably one of those fans, and I am quite happy and supportive of the Sons of Ben in lobbying for a Philadelphia entry into MLS. That being said, I do take issue with those members (however large or small they may be) of the group who were throwing objects into the core group of Revolution supporters, showed support of Houston, etc. The shameless self-promotion was also a bit much to take at times, but then, that may be what it takes to further your efforts of getting a club.

For the record, I also noticed a number of Revolution supporters throwing objects into the group of SOB supporters in the waning seconds of and after the match, and that behavior, no matter the provocation, is equally unacceptable.

Fiero20

19 Nov 2007, 10:17 AM

I was probably one of those fans, and I am quite happy and supportive of the Sons of Ben in lobbying for a Philadelphia entry into MLS. That being said, I do take issue with those members (however large or small they may be) of the group who were throwing objects into the core group of Revolution supporters, showed support of Houston, etc. The shameless self-promotion was also a bit much to take at times, but then, that may be what it takes to further your efforts of getting a club.

For the record, I also noticed a number of Revolution supporters throwing objects into the group of SOB supporters in the waning seconds of and after the match, and that behavior, no matter the provocation, is equally unacceptable.

first of e, i like you, and you are a great guy.

but you sound like a politician.

if you were near the battlefield instead of hiding in the front rows you would understand why they should never get a team, and why Revs supporters were throwing stuff at them.

im sick of people bending over for other fans and letting them fcuk us in the arse. for the love of jesus grow a pair and tell them that its unacceptable.

Onionsack

19 Nov 2007, 10:18 AM

rivalry is one thing, but when they are throwing plastic bottles at us and being a second away from a fight, that is something i cannot support.

If NY was in the final and those people did that in our section, there would have been many bloody Philly fans. No, i am not puffing, there seriously would have been a lot of Philly fans going to the hospital.

You got lucky that Revs fans are a cordial lot, if you would have done that with us, or DC...... or any other supporter group that isnt going to take shit, you'd have a few members collecting disability for the rest of their life.

celt1997

19 Nov 2007, 10:23 AM

If NY was in the final and those people did that in our section, there would have been many bloody Philly fans. No, i am not puffing, there seriously would have been a lot of Philly fans going to the hospital.

You got lucky that Revs fans are a cordial lot, if you would have done that with us, or DC...... or any other supporter group that isnt going to take shit, you'd have a few members collecting disability for the rest of their life.

However the point that's being missed here is that the SoB's were not the ones who threw the bottles first. Perhaps there were some who retaliated, but there were a larger number of Revs fans who threw the bottles into the SoB's group before anything (if anything) came out of the SoB's.

It was all in response to a chant...a simple little chant that the Revs fans apparently couldn't handle.

It would've been much easier to come back at us with a, "You don't have a team," or other similarly themed song, but instead it was middle fingers and full bottles of soda and water.

brduvel

19 Nov 2007, 10:29 AM

My question is: What the hell were Rev's supporters doing with bottles of soda and water? :eek:

Did RFK run out of beer?

Onionsack

19 Nov 2007, 10:30 AM

However the point that's being missed here is that the SoB's were not the ones who threw the bottles first. Perhaps there were some who retaliated, but there were a larger number of Revs fans who threw the bottles into the SoB's group before anything (if anything) came out of the SoB's.

It was all in response to a chant...a simple little chant that the Revs fans apparently couldn't handle.

It would've been much easier to come back at us with a, "You don't have a team," or other similarly themed song, but instead it was middle fingers and full bottles of soda and water.

Doesn't matter, you are in the Revs area rooting against them and trying to fuk up their day with your self promotion. You presence alone and your outward stance against the Revs is reason enough to get your ass handed to you.

Like i said, your lucky Revs fans are good people, if you would have done that in the middle of ESC, Barra Brava, or El Batalion you would have got a hell of a lot more than some middle fingers and plastic bottles thrown your way.

I saw it from the other side of the stadium, i was amazed that Revs fans didn't jump you from all sides.

RedRevs

19 Nov 2007, 10:31 AM

My question is: What the hell were Rev's supporters doing with bottles of soda and water? :eek:

Did RFK run out of beer?

With no working atm's at that shithole of a stadium we weren't at liberty to go wasting our beer willy-nilly.

wolfp10

19 Nov 2007, 10:31 AM

Chowda

19 Nov 2007, 10:32 AM

revsfan44

19 Nov 2007, 10:32 AM

However the point that's being missed here is that the SoB's were not the ones who threw the bottles first. Perhaps there were some who retaliated, but there were a larger number of Revs fans who threw the bottles into the SoB's group before anything (if anything) came out of the SoB's.

It was all in response to a chant...a simple little chant that the Revs fans apparently couldn't handle.

It would've been much easier to come back at us with a, "You don't have a team," or other similarly themed song, but instead it was middle fingers and full bottles of soda and water.

it wasn't just the chant, it was the culmination of dealing with the bs of the situation. our team is playing the biggest game in the team's history, and u guys came in to lobby the mls, and that was not the time or place to make a statement to the mls. it is total bs that u guys were in the middle of our sea of navy and other rev fans were put across the gulf.

Fiero20

19 Nov 2007, 10:32 AM

It was all in response to a chant...a simple little chant that the Revs fans apparently couldn't handle.

it was much more than a chant, so save the bs.

like i said before, dont try to play it off like you are all a bunch of nice guys or that you were the victims on here. that is not true, nor is it going to fly.

The Magpie

19 Nov 2007, 10:37 AM

if you were near the battlefield instead of hiding in the front rows you would understand why they should never get a team, and why Revs supporters were throwing stuff at them.

I wasn't "hiding in the front rows," and to be honest, I didn't have much of a clue what was going on behind me in the "battlefield" as I was more focused on what was happening on the pitch; I genuinely didn't know what was going on until after the match when I saw a few people trying to restrain you, also seeing objects being thrown from both sides.

I can appreciate why Revolution supporters were throwing things, but I can still have a problem with that, much as I have a problem with the actions of SOB towards the Revolution supporters.

im sick of people bending over for other fans and letting them fcuk us in the arse. for the love of jesus grow a pair and tell them that its unacceptable.

I stated in my original post that I do take issue with their actions: throwing objects and provocations with intention to do more than provoke is under no circumstances, acceptable.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2308/2046574448_ec0a4029ca.jpg

This just sends the wrong message, IMHO. Maybe it works for SOB, but it doesn't fly with us.

The Magpie

jmsullivan

19 Nov 2007, 10:37 AM

I can certainly relate. I dispise unruly fans. :o

The league should institute a "no taunting rule", and ban all flags and banners so no one will be offended by non politically correctness. :rolleyes:

Come on, it's a championship match for crying out loud. There is always bantering back and forth. The players were hammering each other phyically during the match, but I know if they met in a pub next week, they would buy each other a beer.

It's an event, and a place where people can make their statements if they wish. Those who can't play should stay home. But most of all in the end, it's only a game and is meaningless.

Breath Innnnnnnnn, outtttttt. Now doesn't that feel better.

Onionsack

19 Nov 2007, 10:39 AM

Sure.:rolleyes:

FACT.

I know the mentality of my people, if SOB (philly of all places) sat right in the middle of our section and cheered against us and threw some bottles around, there would have been a full out riot in the stands. I would wager similar groups would have responded the same way.

celt1997

19 Nov 2007, 10:39 AM

it is total bs that u guys were in the middle of our sea of navy and other rev fans were put across the gulf.

This wasn't by our own design, however. The first week of October we were given our tickets. Our placement in the stadium should be taken up with somebody in a front office somewhere, not with us.

As to Fiero, I'd love to know what else there was beyond the chants and songs? We sure didn't throw anything at anyone first.

The more and more I think about, the more it seems you were just upset by our mere presence, and that, as I said, is something to be addressed elsewhere, as we sat in the seats we were given.

revsfan44

19 Nov 2007, 10:43 AM

FuzzyMiss

19 Nov 2007, 10:51 AM

SOBs for sure. They had no business acting like that and throwing stuff at us. It was a wonder that a fight didn't break out. Come back when you have a team, you're pathetic.:mad:

Lorax Jr.

19 Nov 2007, 11:12 AM

I feel that I have to chime in on this topic. I was one of those SOB's in the blue shirts and I've been a Revs fan since day one. However, I was born and raised in eastern PA so I am loyal to my Philly teams. Right now Philly does not have a team and I'm sure as hell not going to root for a NY or DC team, so I chose NE because my wife went to school up there and I have family up there.

To say the least I was majorly torn between my loyalties yesterday. So, I rode the fence the whole game and a few of the SOB's knew this. When the SOB's started a pro-Philly chant I participated. When they stated an anti-NE chant I said nothing. I was actually sitting in the last row of the SOB's and I had Rev fans behind me. We were talking the whole game and they understood my dilema. We had a great time (minus the horrible loss of course). We were busting each other's chops the whole game Philly vs. NE, but we also high fived when the Revs scored.

There has been a lot of finger pointing on this thread and most of it has been at the SOB's and from what I witnessed some it is definitely warranted. I did not like the way some of my fellow SOB'ers behaved. I felt that they were rubbing salt into wounds and that was classless (and I was feeling the pain as much the Revs fans were). I wouldn't even treated a NY fan that way. But, I felt there was nothing wrong with the SOB's showing support for Philly getting a team and at the same time chanting as a group anti-other team songs at the game, that's what supporters groups do. The throwing of items, the individual insults, and the bad timing of some the chants from the SOB's I do not agree with, but our presence at the game and our passion for Philly is what this league needs.

I realize that there are a lot of hurt feelings right now due to the loss and due to some of the SOB's behavior and from my unique position I understand and empathize. But, I don't want to be lumped in as one the "so called jerks" from Philly. My part of the section was fine, except for a few Revs fans who tossed objects at us. As I said before, we had great time in way that oppossing fans should behave toward each other.

I also don't want to labeled as a traitor. Some people on this thread (not a Revs fan) seem to think that it is mutiny to change teams when your city gets a team. Most of the people in the SOB's support a different MLS team and when Philly gets a team most of us will support Philly. If everybody stays loyal to their original team there would be no need for expansion in MLS. Do you really think that opposing fans want to come Philly to find a fan base that doesn't really support their local club, but rather a rainbow of team colors across MLS? Would that be a fun environment?

The fact of the matter remains is that most of the people on these boards have a team and Philly does not. It is easy to point fingers about loyality and complain about why are the SOB's even at the game when they don't have a team. Some of you need to see it from our point of view. Probably, the most profound statement that I heard from an SOBer after the game was that he'd rather be in the shoes of the Revs fans right now because at least they have a team. I know that it doesn't take away the sting of the loss, but think about it.

I apologize for my rather long ramble. Yesterday's game got me all charged up.

DREWWW

19 Nov 2007, 11:15 AM

All I can say is...St Louis needs a team!!!!

Fiero20

19 Nov 2007, 11:42 AM

All I can say is...the Revs needs a MLS Cup!!!!

FYP

Fiero20

19 Nov 2007, 11:50 AM

This wasn't by our own design, however. The first week of October we were given our tickets. Our placement in the stadium should be taken up with somebody in a front office somewhere, not with us.

As to Fiero, I'd love to know what else there was beyond the chants and songs? We sure didn't throw anything at anyone first.

The more and more I think about, the more it seems you were just upset by our mere presence, and that, as I said, is something to be addressed elsewhere, as we sat in the seats we were given.

well maybe if you had a team you would have justification to be there in the first place.

you know what was beyond the chants as it was posted previously by another user. you threw plenty, although it may not have been inanimate objects.

and the more i think about it, the more of a jerk you really are.

you wear yellow
and light blue
we're new england who are you
with a knick-knack paddy-whack give a dog a bone
get a team or fcuk off home

swissman

19 Nov 2007, 12:17 PM

They weren't as bad as these dudes...

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/11/18/1195414101_2407.jpg

So, having that flag and a Che flag is fine, but calling a team Houston 1836 is offensive?

CopaMundial

19 Nov 2007, 12:20 PM

well maybe if you had a team you would have justification to be there in the first place.

...

Fiero20

19 Nov 2007, 12:21 PM

So, having that flag and a Che flag is fine, but calling a team Houston 1836 is offensive?

RIGHT?!??

it is ironic regarding the history of the city and its current demographic population

swissman

19 Nov 2007, 12:31 PM

RIGHT?!??

it is ironic regarding the history of the city and its current demographic population

I really had no issue with their original team name (I actually really liked it). I'm sorry, there's nothing wrong with celebrating independence. Should we not be called the Revolution because that's offensive to the Brits? I know this is all old stuff, but I needed to vent.

I mean, I'm sure the Mexicans in the US celebrate Mexican independence, but Americans can't celebrate their independence?

Fiero20

19 Nov 2007, 12:33 PM

That's true. When we have a team we can finally be there to see OUR team get their turn to beat the Bills.

i would agree, but there is a problem with your post...

"when" is used in hypothetical sense in which nothing is factual in nature

you already have a team - the eagles

and the bills dont play soccer, but if i were a betting man i would say the Bills could beat the eagles in an american football match.

i also heard the flyers need fans more than their non-existant soccer team. but that would mean you're not a fan because you dont have a team to be a fan of, so that makes you... umm.... a... silly man wearing funny outfits and cheering for a city?

I really had no issue with their original team name (I actually really liked it). I'm sorry, there's nothing wrong with celebrating independence. Should we not be called the Revolution because that's offensive to the Brits? I know this is all old stuff, but I needed to vent.

preachin' to the choir swissman...

celt1997

19 Nov 2007, 12:35 PM

you know what was beyond the chants as it was posted previously by another user. you threw plenty, although it may not have been inanimate objects.

and the more i think about it, the more of a jerk you really are.

Look, you can think what you want about me, but as far as I'm concerned I did nothing wrong. I can personally vouch for myself and at least 20 guys standing immediately around me that we did not throw anything at anybody. We, however, were hit by a large amount of bottles.

If there were people in our group who were guilty of the things you say than they were either very few, or were on the complete opposite side of our group, where I did not see it occur. That being said, it is disrespectful to lump our entire group into that category, because a large majority of us were not taking part in that.

I'm willing to leave it at that, and I, too, will not blame ALL of your supporters for the 2 bottles that hit me directly. In fact I met several Revs' fans who were pretty nice.

Stogey23

19 Nov 2007, 12:48 PM

FACT.

I know the mentality of my people

When KEEPING IT REAL goes wrong...

Fiero20

19 Nov 2007, 12:49 PM

Look, you can think what you want about me, but as far as I'm concerned I did nothing wrong. I can personally vouch for myself and at least 20 guys standing immediately around me that we did not throw anything at anybody. We, however, were hit by a large amount of bottles.

If there were people in our group who were guilty of the things you say than they were either very few, or were on the complete opposite side of our group, where I did not see it occur. That being said, it is disrespectful to lump our entire group into that category, because a large majority of us were not taking part in that.

I'm willing to leave it at that, and I, too, will not blame ALL of your supporters for the 2 bottles that hit me directly. In fact I met several Revs' fans who were pretty nice.

im sure you can vouch for yourself and maybe a few others, but i highly doubt you kept an eye on "at least 20 guys" the whole time.

there were people in your group, because i know a revs fan would not hit me from behind with a bottle, considering there werent many revs fans behind me.

i wouldnt want you to blame all revs supporters, because you know it wasnt all of us throwing stuff, we were in front of you the entire game. i cant tell you the same, i wasnt facing your group when i got hit, so it could have been you for all i know.

i am not going to like you no matter how much you lobby for yourself or your group. and i will leave that as is.

miked9

19 Nov 2007, 12:50 PM

I think Lorax's position is a fine one. And I think it's fine to switch allegiance, ONCE, if a team moves into your city. I wasn't there, I can only go by the video of what happened before the bottle-throwing--but it certainly seems like you reap what you sow.

Look, there's no problem with people supporting their team, even if that team is hypothetical. But honestly, if you're antagonizing other fans like that, you bear some responsibility for the escalation.

Summerheat

19 Nov 2007, 12:59 PM

Interesting banter back and forth here.
I believe as in all supporters groups, there are good and bad. A solid group polices themselves and helps the bad apples ""shape up or ship out"".

We have worked very hard to educate our supporters on interaction with oppossing fans during games.

In our house, when an incident arises, instead of retaliation, we call security to handle the matter.

As for Philly... if you want to gain admittance into MLS, you are starting off on the wrong foot! Being in our section is fine. We would have welcomed you to watch the game with us. Had you remained silent and watched as football fans, we would have overall been cool with that. Taunting/jeering has no place in this league for a fan base (SOB) that does not have a team playing in the league yet.

After observing your overall group''s behaviour, I plan on petitioning the MLS League to reconsider your bid for acceptance in MLS at this time.

Instead of fighting physically, some of us prefer to go through the legal route.

[B]RFK & DCU:

When you put in a bid to host an MLS Cup, there are many things to consider.

First of all, logistics of having a stadium in a city setting creates some difficult challenges. We would have loved to have played a supporters game on a grass pitch.. have adequate latrenes in the parking area and not just the MLS sponsors area would have been practical.

The DC Pro Shop would have been well-served to sell MLS Cup 2007 collectibles, not just the kiosk booths in the stadium. I visited six various kiosks to find that many items were "" sold out"" prior to the start of the match.
We waited close to an hour at Will Call just to get our tickets while fans who arrived the day before, were able to get their tickets. (Will Call staff informed us that they did not have the tickets on hand Sunday morning).

[B]Screaming Eagles & Barra Brava: I think if you greeted fans with your team colours, that would have been acceptable. Cheering DC chants when your team was not playing was unacceptable. You were selected as hosts, not supporters trying to drown out two visiting teams to your stadium.

There are no DC season ticket holder seats in a non-DC United game. You were chosen as the site for MLS Cup 2007. DC United was not playing-period!

I was heckled by some of the DC fans after the game. That is expected and I had no issue with that. I believe RFK could have done a better job especially since you hosted the cup in 1997 (?)

Sorry this is long-winded.
I do believe I am level-headed about most topics related to football. I support the Revs in the MLS but I also buy MLS items when I visit another stadium. I want to see the league prosper. I believe there is always room for improvement when hosting an MLS Cup. The majority of the DCU supporters I met yesterday were gracious, and enjoyable to hang out with.

Any Hooliganism, and poor behaviour should never be tolerated in any house in MLS. Do we want to get a rap like Italy fans, English fans, Turkish fans? We have enough people in America that would love to see this league fail. Please..lets not help them do that.

Cheers;)

ToMhIlL

19 Nov 2007, 01:04 PM

To say the least I was majorly torn between my loyalties yesterday. So, I rode the fence the whole game and a few of the SOB's knew this. When the SOB's started a pro-Philly chant I participated. When they stated an anti-NE chant I said nothing. I was actually sitting in the last row of the SOB's and I had Rev fans behind me. We were talking the whole game and they understood my dilema. We had a great time (minus the horrible loss of course). We were busting each other's chops the whole game Philly vs. NE, but we also high fived when the Revs scored.Unlike some DC United supporters, I don't think you are any less of a human being if you decide to support a new team in your region, even if you had been a fan of another team. But I have a question for you:

What exactly would be the reason for a "pro-Philly" chant at a game between Houston and New England?

I though it was particularly pathetic (and more so that the king of all tools, Dave O'Brien mentioned it a couple of times on the broadcast) that the fans of the team that couldn't beat the team that couldn't beat the team that couldn't beat the one that became the champions were chanting their own team name. It ain't about you.

Now, most of us half-expect this kind of self-important ego stroking from DC United, but this has even less to do with Philadelphia than it does with them.

If you wanted to root for Houston, fine. I don't care if neutrals don't root for us for whatever reason.

But what is really, really pathetic is the "hard" image that some of you guys seem so hell-bent on creating. No it doesn't make you tough, hip, edgy, or any other adjective you want to use. It makes you a low-class idiot hooligan wannabe who would be the first to run home to mommie if you actually were faced with backing up your tough talk.

Now, I'm sure the vast majority of soccer fans in Philadelphia are good people and will be good fans, but if the most visible and self-promotional segment of the fanbase is going to act like this, then maybe you shouldn't get a team. That would suck for all the real fans there, but there's nothing new about a handful of a$$holes ruining everything for the majority.