Sons of Ben or SOBs

[revsfan44]

This wasn't by our own design, however. The first week of October we were given our tickets. Our placement in the stadium should be taken up with somebody in a front office somewhere, not with us.

but i thought the teams playing's supporters got the best seats, and 117 and 118 are deffinently not the best seats.

[FuzzyMiss]

SOBs for sure. They had no business acting like that and throwing stuff at us. It was a wonder that a fight didn't break out. Come back when you have a team, you're pathetic.:mad:

[Lorax Jr.]

I feel that I have to chime in on this topic. I was one of those SOB's in the blue shirts and I've been a Revs fan since day one. However, I was born and raised in eastern PA so I am loyal to my Philly teams. Right now Philly does not have a team and I'm sure as hell not going to root for a NY or DC team, so I chose NE because my wife went to school up there and I have family up there.

To say the least I was majorly torn between my loyalties yesterday. So, I rode the fence the whole game and a few of the SOB's knew this. When the SOB's started a pro-Philly chant I participated. When they stated an anti-NE chant I said nothing. I was actually sitting in the last row of the SOB's and I had Rev fans behind me. We were talking the whole game and they understood my dilema. We had a great time (minus the horrible loss of course). We were busting each other's chops the whole game Philly vs. NE, but we also high fived when the Revs scored.

There has been a lot of finger pointing on this thread and most of it has been at the SOB's and from what I witnessed some it is definitely warranted. I did not like the way some of my fellow SOB'ers behaved. I felt that they were rubbing salt into wounds and that was classless (and I was feeling the pain as much the Revs fans were). I wouldn't even treated a NY fan that way. But, I felt there was nothing wrong with the SOB's showing support for Philly getting a team and at the same time chanting as a group anti-other team songs at the game, that's what supporters groups do. The throwing of items, the individual insults, and the bad timing of some the chants from the SOB's I do not agree with, but our presence at the game and our passion for Philly is what this league needs.

I realize that there are a lot of hurt feelings right now due to the loss and due to some of the SOB's behavior and from my unique position I understand and empathize. But, I don't want to be lumped in as one the "so called jerks" from Philly. My part of the section was fine, except for a few Revs fans who tossed objects at us. As I said before, we had great time in way that oppossing fans should behave toward each other.

I also don't want to labeled as a traitor. Some people on this thread (not a Revs fan) seem to think that it is mutiny to change teams when your city gets a team. Most of the people in the SOB's support a different MLS team and when Philly gets a team most of us will support Philly. If everybody stays loyal to their original team there would be no need for expansion in MLS. Do you really think that opposing fans want to come Philly to find a fan base that doesn't really support their local club, but rather a rainbow of team colors across MLS? Would that be a fun environment?

The fact of the matter remains is that most of the people on these boards have a team and Philly does not. It is easy to point fingers about loyality and complain about why are the SOB's even at the game when they don't have a team. Some of you need to see it from our point of view. Probably, the most profound statement that I heard from an SOBer after the game was that he'd rather be in the shoes of the Revs fans right now because at least they have a team. I know that it doesn't take away the sting of the loss, but think about it.

I apologize for my rather long ramble. Yesterday's game got me all charged up.

[DREWWW]

All I can say is...St Louis needs a team!!!!

[Fiero20]

All I can say is...the Revs needs a MLS Cup!!!!

FYP

[Fiero20]

This wasn't by our own design, however. The first week of October we were given our tickets. Our placement in the stadium should be taken up with somebody in a front office somewhere, not with us.

As to Fiero, I'd love to know what else there was beyond the chants and songs? We sure didn't throw anything at anyone first.

The more and more I think about, the more it seems you were just upset by our mere presence, and that, as I said, is something to be addressed elsewhere, as we sat in the seats we were given.

well maybe if you had a team you would have justification to be there in the first place.

you know what was beyond the chants as it was posted previously by another user. you threw plenty, although it may not have been inanimate objects.

and the more i think about it, the more of a jerk you really are.

you wear yellow
and light blue
we're new england who are you
with a knick-knack paddy-whack give a dog a bone
get a team or fcuk off home

[swissman]

They weren't as bad as these dudes...

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/11/18/1195414101_2407.jpg

So, having that flag and a Che flag is fine, but calling a team Houston 1836 is offensive?

[CopaMundial]

well maybe if you had a team you would have justification to be there in the first place.

...

[Fiero20]

So, having that flag and a Che flag is fine, but calling a team Houston 1836 is offensive?

RIGHT?!??


it is ironic regarding the history of the city and its current demographic population

[swissman]

RIGHT?!??

it is ironic regarding the history of the city and its current demographic population

I really had no issue with their original team name (I actually really liked it). I'm sorry, there's nothing wrong with celebrating independence. Should we not be called the Revolution because that's offensive to the Brits? I know this is all old stuff, but I needed to vent.

I mean, I'm sure the Mexicans in the US celebrate Mexican independence, but Americans can't celebrate their independence?

[Fiero20]

That's true. When we have a team we can finally be there to see OUR team get their turn to beat the Bills.

i would agree, but there is a problem with your post...

"when" is used in hypothetical sense in which nothing is factual in nature

you already have a team - the eagles

and the bills dont play soccer, but if i were a betting man i would say the Bills could beat the eagles in an american football match.

i also heard the flyers need fans more than their non-existant soccer team. but that would mean you're not a fan because you dont have a team to be a fan of, so that makes you... umm.... a... silly man wearing funny outfits and cheering for a city?

I really had no issue with their original team name (I actually really liked it). I'm sorry, there's nothing wrong with celebrating independence. Should we not be called the Revolution because that's offensive to the Brits? I know this is all old stuff, but I needed to vent.

preachin' to the choir swissman...

[celt1997]

you know what was beyond the chants as it was posted previously by another user. you threw plenty, although it may not have been inanimate objects.

and the more i think about it, the more of a jerk you really are.


Look, you can think what you want about me, but as far as I'm concerned I did nothing wrong. I can personally vouch for myself and at least 20 guys standing immediately around me that we did not throw anything at anybody. We, however, were hit by a large amount of bottles.

If there were people in our group who were guilty of the things you say than they were either very few, or were on the complete opposite side of our group, where I did not see it occur. That being said, it is disrespectful to lump our entire group into that category, because a large majority of us were not taking part in that.

I'm willing to leave it at that, and I, too, will not blame ALL of your supporters for the 2 bottles that hit me directly. In fact I met several Revs' fans who were pretty nice.

[Stogey23]

FACT.

I know the mentality of my people

When KEEPING IT REAL goes wrong...

[Fiero20]

Look, you can think what you want about me, but as far as I'm concerned I did nothing wrong. I can personally vouch for myself and at least 20 guys standing immediately around me that we did not throw anything at anybody. We, however, were hit by a large amount of bottles.

If there were people in our group who were guilty of the things you say than they were either very few, or were on the complete opposite side of our group, where I did not see it occur. That being said, it is disrespectful to lump our entire group into that category, because a large majority of us were not taking part in that.

I'm willing to leave it at that, and I, too, will not blame ALL of your supporters for the 2 bottles that hit me directly. In fact I met several Revs' fans who were pretty nice.

im sure you can vouch for yourself and maybe a few others, but i highly doubt you kept an eye on "at least 20 guys" the whole time.

there were people in your group, because i know a revs fan would not hit me from behind with a bottle, considering there werent many revs fans behind me.

i wouldnt want you to blame all revs supporters, because you know it wasnt all of us throwing stuff, we were in front of you the entire game. i cant tell you the same, i wasnt facing your group when i got hit, so it could have been you for all i know.

i am not going to like you no matter how much you lobby for yourself or your group. and i will leave that as is.

[miked9]

I think Lorax's position is a fine one. And I think it's fine to switch allegiance, ONCE, if a team moves into your city. I wasn't there, I can only go by the video of what happened before the bottle-throwing--but it certainly seems like you reap what you sow.

Look, there's no problem with people supporting their team, even if that team is hypothetical. But honestly, if you're antagonizing other fans like that, you bear some responsibility for the escalation.

[Summerheat]

Interesting banter back and forth here.
I believe as in all supporters groups, there are good and bad. A solid group polices themselves and helps the bad apples ""shape up or ship out"".

We have worked very hard to educate our supporters on interaction with oppossing fans during games.

In our house, when an incident arises, instead of retaliation, we call security to handle the matter.

As for Philly... if you want to gain admittance into MLS, you are starting off on the wrong foot! Being in our section is fine. We would have welcomed you to watch the game with us. Had you remained silent and watched as football fans, we would have overall been cool with that. Taunting/jeering has no place in this league for a fan base (SOB) that does not have a team playing in the league yet.

After observing your overall group''s behaviour, I plan on petitioning the MLS League to reconsider your bid for acceptance in MLS at this time.

Instead of fighting physically, some of us prefer to go through the legal route.

[B]RFK & DCU:

When you put in a bid to host an MLS Cup, there are many things to consider.

First of all, logistics of having a stadium in a city setting creates some difficult challenges. We would have loved to have played a supporters game on a grass pitch.. have adequate latrenes in the parking area and not just the MLS sponsors area would have been practical.

The DC Pro Shop would have been well-served to sell MLS Cup 2007 collectibles, not just the kiosk booths in the stadium. I visited six various kiosks to find that many items were "" sold out"" prior to the start of the match.
We waited close to an hour at Will Call just to get our tickets while fans who arrived the day before, were able to get their tickets. (Will Call staff informed us that they did not have the tickets on hand Sunday morning).

[B]Screaming Eagles & Barra Brava: I think if you greeted fans with your team colours, that would have been acceptable. Cheering DC chants when your team was not playing was unacceptable. You were selected as hosts, not supporters trying to drown out two visiting teams to your stadium.

There are no DC season ticket holder seats in a non-DC United game. You were chosen as the site for MLS Cup 2007. DC United was not playing-period!

I was heckled by some of the DC fans after the game. That is expected and I had no issue with that. I believe RFK could have done a better job especially since you hosted the cup in 1997 (?)

Sorry this is long-winded.
I do believe I am level-headed about most topics related to football. I support the Revs in the MLS but I also buy MLS items when I visit another stadium. I want to see the league prosper. I believe there is always room for improvement when hosting an MLS Cup. The majority of the DCU supporters I met yesterday were gracious, and enjoyable to hang out with.

Any Hooliganism, and poor behaviour should never be tolerated in any house in MLS. Do we want to get a rap like Italy fans, English fans, Turkish fans? We have enough people in America that would love to see this league fail. Please..lets not help them do that.

Cheers;)

[ToMhIlL]

To say the least I was majorly torn between my loyalties yesterday. So, I rode the fence the whole game and a few of the SOB's knew this. When the SOB's started a pro-Philly chant I participated. When they stated an anti-NE chant I said nothing. I was actually sitting in the last row of the SOB's and I had Rev fans behind me. We were talking the whole game and they understood my dilema. We had a great time (minus the horrible loss of course). We were busting each other's chops the whole game Philly vs. NE, but we also high fived when the Revs scored.Unlike some DC United supporters, I don't think you are any less of a human being if you decide to support a new team in your region, even if you had been a fan of another team. But I have a question for you:

What exactly would be the reason for a "pro-Philly" chant at a game between Houston and New England?

I though it was particularly pathetic (and more so that the king of all tools, Dave O'Brien mentioned it a couple of times on the broadcast) that the fans of the team that couldn't beat the team that couldn't beat the team that couldn't beat the one that became the champions were chanting their own team name. It ain't about you.

Now, most of us half-expect this kind of self-important ego stroking from DC United, but this has even less to do with Philadelphia than it does with them.

If you wanted to root for Houston, fine. I don't care if neutrals don't root for us for whatever reason.

But what is really, really pathetic is the "hard" image that some of you guys seem so hell-bent on creating. No it doesn't make you tough, hip, edgy, or any other adjective you want to use. It makes you a low-class idiot hooligan wannabe who would be the first to run home to mommie if you actually were faced with backing up your tough talk.

Now, I'm sure the vast majority of soccer fans in Philadelphia are good people and will be good fans, but if the most visible and self-promotional segment of the fanbase is going to act like this, then maybe you shouldn't get a team. That would suck for all the real fans there, but there's nothing new about a handful of a$$holes ruining everything for the majority.

[Coach_Barry]

There really is no point in continuuing this rant.