Our New Stadium in Kirkby

[The Old Lady Hertha]

http://destinationkirkby.com/cgis.asp?movie=everton

Looks very bad....:mad:

[Tima]

The day we move there is the day I stop supporting the club formally known as Everton.

130 years of history abanoned for something worse than we already have.

Spend the money the new stadium will cost on Goodison and we'd have a stadium of better quality in a better location.

If we are going to move anywhere it should be the centre of the city not some other "strip mall" town 9 miles from Liverpool.

Sickens me that 59% of our support voted to allow the board to go ahead with it on the back of some VERY misleading information released by the owners.

[spider_kin]

how many seats is that? it looks friggin tiny. TINY.

[Rocket]

The day we move there is the day I stop supporting the club formally known as Everton.


Impressive loyalty.

So will you start cheering for the Reds?

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Impressive loyalty.

So will you start cheering for the Reds?

Have you seen the pictures mate? Seems like you haven't.

[Tima]

Impressive loyalty.

So will you start cheering for the Reds?

How can you be loyal to something that no longer exists?

The day Everton move from thier home of 130 years to play in another town is the day they stop being the Everton I grew up supporting. The promotional video says it all "New location, new stadium, new Everton"

It's the day we become a Wigan, a Reading, a Bolton Wanderers......family fun days, face painting, drums in stands etc. Everton FC reduced to being the pawn in a deal which allows a supermarket to build a new store and retail park.

It is long term suicide...we are moving from a city of 500,000+ people into a town of 40,000.

Happily I remain confident it will all fall through - nothing this fundamentally stupid can succeed.

[sarabella]

Other than the location, what's so bad about it?

I must be missing something.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Other than the location, what's so bad about it?

I must be missing something.

EVERYTHING!

The shopping malls ugh! :mad: And the stadium looks horrendous, looks second rate, like a half-assed Ibrox.... :mad:

Everton's home is Goodison and this has no markings whatsoever of it...

[Tima]

Other than the location, what's so bad about it?

I must be missing something.

It's as if someone has given the construction company the brief of the blandest stadium (more likely cheapest) in the world.

"Make sure there are no defining features, 4 identical stands and that it can be placed it in a supermarket car park but doesn't stand out too much".

It is just the New Den (home of Millwall) but bigger.

The far bigger issue for me is what this will do to the future of the club, as far as I see it if you wanted to kill off support in the city of Liverpool for Everton within a generation then you couldn't plan it any better.

As petty as this sounds at the moment one of the only things that kids in the city have when doing the "my club is better than your club" thing is that we are the original club in the city and that it is somehow more legitimate to be an Everton fan than a red. The red half being linked to glory hunters and ferry/plane loads of tourists (no offence :))

Moving to Kirkby takes us from a famous stadium, that a large percentage of people travel past every day, to a backwater near a motorway junction 9 miles from the area that gives us our name.

We go from the authentic team of the city of Liverpool to an irrelevance in one swift move.

Put it this way, if the situation were reversed and Liverpool FC were making this move I would probably have badly injured myself from the laughing.

[Toffee²]

ugh it makes me feel sick just thinking about it
sure i've only been to goodison four times in my life but it really had a feel about it
this is just some ************ tin shack
how can kenwright think this is good for the club?
we need to redevelop goodison or go for the loop site which actually sounds kind of difficult to pull off but also sounds pretty cool for its design

[KaNgArOoS]

The stadium looks like one giant shopping mall, where Mickey Mouse is waiting to give kids a balloon.:( I do not want a new Everton, I am fine with the old one.:(

[sarabella]

Not all hope is lost yet.

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_headline=new-hope-of-finding-city-home-for-everton-fc%26method=full%26objectid=20140185%26siteid=50061-name_page.html

[Rocket]

I'm glad to hear they're still looking at staying in the city of Liverpool.

Though from the article's tone, it doesn't appear too likely.


It's too bad Everton and the Red Shiites weren't able to work out a stadium sharing deal at Liverpool's new ground in Anfield.

There're a number of soccer teams around the world that share stadiums -- AC Milan & Inter; LA Galaxy & Chivas USA; Chivas & Atlas, etc.

And it certainly would have made economic sense for both Everton and Liverpool to work out a stadium sharing scheme.

[sarabella]

I don't want to share a stadium with those people!

I agree that it doesn't sound too likely. In fact, the Everton spokesman is what made it sound that way, thanks to that ridiculous vote.

Still, I'm hanging on to some hope. Probably a mistake though.

[Rocket]

Interesting news from Kirkby, where a group of residents is pushing for the town to drop plans for the stadium, and replace it with more shops.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/7108391.stm

[Pigs]

People who are against the move to Kirkby don't really know the circumstances.

Manchester United don't even play in the city of Manchester. That doesn't stop them from being the biggest club in the country.


Everton have a history, winning 9 more league titles. Wigan, Reading, Bolton have won none. And we've spent 104 seasons in the top-flight. Bolton, Wigan, Reading haven't even spent 70 years between them. Them clubs are associated with their towns, and have their names.

The postcode is still "L" and the area code is still "0151"

The border of city of Liverpool is an unnatural one. Many people who work or go for a night out in that city don't even live in it. Everton is not a Liverpool club, it's a Merseyside club.
Kirkby is still Merseyside. A town full of scousers. Leighton Baines was born in Kirkby. But look at most websites and his profile will simply say "Liverpool".

What people don't understand is that if we're going to build a new stadium, and remain fanancially sound aswell as still competing in the top half of the Premiership, then we need a deal like this. Otherwise, we rot at Goodison Park, while Liverpool build a nice new home that totally overshines ours at Stanley Park.

Many Everton fans are p1ssed off with the city council. They never did Everton any favours, and rejected the proposal at Stanley Park. So why should we stay there?

The fanbase will remain the same in the city. I didn't start supporting Everton simply because it was a local team. My dad and brothers supported them so I didn't have a choice. And why it would have any effect on the fan base outside the city I don't know. Liverpool fans in the city can't even get a ticket because of someone who lives 200 miles away.

As for the stadium itself, it looks good to me. It looks like Everton. It will be easier to get to.

[spider_kin]

not really easier, IIRC from everything i've read there is only one way on public transportation to the proposed site, and do they really want that with toffes and kopites on those trains come derby day??

it seems a helluva long way OUT of the major hub and as it is a mersey side club, why make it that much more difficult, and longer and probably more expensive commute out to kirkby after the trek into lpool to begin with, for those on the wirral.


If they decide to move out to there, fine, but honestly it feels like it's being shoved down our throats as if we are too stupid to know anything ourselves, and quite frankly as if they have no desire to put effort in to even thinking about any other sites, let alone actually research them. I don't like being treated like an idiotic child who doesn't know anything. if they had actually come out and shown us how much they researched other sites and WHY they concluded it wouldn't work, they'd have a much more winning argument. As it stands I say ******** kirkby, stay in the city.

I do kind of wonder if they proposed move was actually a very good, i suppose legal? chesslike? move. I mean, it does now have LCC forming commissions to see about monetary benefit to keeping EFC in city limits etc... and has had a lot more exposure and talk and proposed solutions brought up. if you look at it that way it seems rather smart. you have to wonder if tesco would consider a similar deal at a site in the pool boundaries.

[Tima]

People who are against the move to Kirkby don't really know the circumstances.

What people don't understand is that if we're going to build a new stadium, and remain fanancially sound aswell as still competing in the top half of the Premiership, then we need a deal like this. Otherwise, we rot at Goodison Park, while Liverpool build a nice new home that totally overshines ours at Stanley Park.

Many Everton fans are p1ssed off with the city council. They never did Everton any favours, and rejected the proposal at Stanley Park. So why should we stay there?

As for the stadium itself, it looks good to me. It looks like Everton. It will be easier to get to.


I'd argue that you don't understand the circumstances given what you have written above.

Putting the boundary issue to one side (even though I fail to see how a town in it's own right such as Kirkby can be seen as part of the city of Liverpool).

You say that we need to build a new stadium to compete - why? To put this in it's proper financial context our turnover is (on this years figures) £50m less than Tottenham and £150m less than Arsenal. Keith Wyness has said that if we are successful turnver can be increased by £10m. Big Whoop. It won't make the slightest bit of difference to our ability to compete.

The fact Liverpool are building a new ground on Stanley Park (where we NEVER asked permission to build a stadium) is used as a reason for us moving. Why? Goodison could easily be done up for a lot less than Kirkby is costing us. A new Park End would give us a 50k seater stadium for about £25m.

The city council gave us Kings Dock, a 50k stadium for £30m in the best location in Liverpool. They could not have done more for us, the fact is Kenwright didn't produce the money.

And you say the new stadium will be easier to get to? For who? People in Kirkby yes, everyone else no. An out of town stadium with no car parking is just bizarre yet it is what is proposed.

[Toffee²]

I'm really torn on this whole issue.
On one hand, we're getting a steal, only paying $50m or so for a decent stadium, while the RS are stuck paying like $400m or something. Also, Goodison isn't going to pass the safety codes soon, so we have to either repair it or move. And if we are to continue on this upward path, we really do need a better stadium, corporate boxes and all.
On the other hand, Goodison is Everton, and there isn't a single Evertonian who can overlook the 130 years of history we've had there. Plus, it's way out in the sticks. And we have trouble filling a 40,000 seat stadium in the city, how are we going to fill a 50,000 one that's miles away?
I used to be completely against any move, but now I'd say we should do it.

[spider_kin]

KEIOC has sent out a out a letter with really good questions, toffee web has the mailing in pdf format if you want to go read it.