U13G Region II Champs Denied MRL Premier

[the_north_cat]

Interesting...

http://www.roadtoregionals.com/9394g-journal/

Seems a bit unfair as MN has fall high school soccer to deal with and, I'm assuming that since the team is strong, had numerous girls playing HS soccer.

Doesn't Ohio had fall soccer as well? Yet I see 3 teams on the girl's side.

http://www.region2.com/MRL/news/Photos/U14%20Premier%20Teams%20as%20of%2010-28-07.pdf

Anyone have any thoughts about this? I would think that the MRL, touting the best teams, best competition, blah, blah, blah, would want the Region Champs from the previous year involved. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems silly to mandate fall participation as a prereq for summer Premier league play given all the variance in hs soccer seasons across the region, but I guess they're their rules to make.

[beautifulgame11]

The bottom line is he missed the application dead line. Its a stupid rule, and his team is being railroaded a bit....but he didn't get the paperwork done and missed the deadline, as stupid as it is, a league like MRL can afford to be a pain about it because everyone wants in.

Also, as U14's shouldnt most of their team be in 8th grade this year?!?! How many high school kids do they have??

[MenaceFanatic]

Based upon the way birthdates/entry to kindergarten works pretty much throughout the US, I would say that none of the kids were 9th graders....I would guess that most are 7th graders. I have a 92 kid who is actually a U15 this year because she was born after September 1 (which is the cutoff for school enrollment for most States). I would venture a guess that the HS issue was not in play. Sounds as if it was a timing/admin issue that kept them out. Nothing is automatic.....gotta do the paperwork.

It is a shame, really.....but it is what it is. The most interesting thing to me is that normally I would read about something like this on the MN Girls Soccer blog (I am sure the original poster knows about this website). What happened to it? It appears to be gone, any knowledge of what happened?

[PERFDBDAN]

We played them earlier this season. I think they have four girls in High School. The girls in high school under Minnesota rules cannot play with their club teams from Labor Day till the high school season ends. We had to reschedule our games so they could work around their high school schedule. I believe one is in ninth grade, and the others are in the 8th grade, but play for their high school teams.

[the_north_cat]

PERF, where did you guys meet these guys? This past fall?

Menace, I don't know if the MIA girls soccer blog is "the most interesting" piece here, but no one seems to know what happened to it. There was a lot of anti-Shattuck talk of late, so as you can imagine some rumors are surfacing. The moderator has been in and out of town all fall so it just might be some technical difficulties that he/she hasn't gotten around to addressing.

I don't think the current question is missing the deadline. The team only tried to make fall MRL work because they saw all the other teams taking part and wanted to get in after the fact. You can read about this in the coach's earlier blog entries.

They had 8 HS players. IMO, not really a stretch to comprehend when you realize that you're talking about a top regional team.

Got to get the paper work in, that's for sure, but I don't think that anyone thought foregoing fall MRL would affect their summer placement.

The issue here is that MN state officials supposedly providing the team with information about MRL did not know the rules and restrictions of the MRL. And that's too bad for the kids.

I know the coach of the girls and I know what his interest is - finding the best early competition possible in prep for their State Cup run. He's not the one to cry over lost causes nor is he the one to think that his team should be entitled to anything. I'm he'll try and make the best of it.

Is it true what he says about regional champs at the older age groups automatically qualifying for national leagues?

Anyway, the 14 Girls Premier League looks tough. Hawks or SLSC? Anyone? Anyone?

[PERFDBDAN]

We played them in friendlies we had arranged in Minnesota in mid August. Some of the Bangu girls had high school practice and we agreed to change the game time to accomodate their conflcit.

Mark is a good coach in every sense of the word as are many of the other people associated with Bangu.

[MenaceFanatic]

What? Negative comments about Shattuck on that website? :eek: I suppose that the same mafia-type powers that S-SM wields to modify Minnesota Youth soccer and USYSA rules probably shut the website down due to the negative comments......conspiracy theorists unite!

Seriously though...why would someone in 8th grade decide to play soccer for thier HS based upon the Minnesota rules governing this? They are only allowed to play four years (including the 8th grade year). Why would you play your 8th grade year only to sit out one of your later years? The rules seem pretty clear about this....they do differ in Iowa. My kid played one game last season (Spring sport in Iowa) as an 8th grader, but in Iowa the kids can have 5 seasons of eiligibility in soccer and softball.

[eltoro]

[QUOTE=the_north_cat;13182585]Interesting...

http://www.roadtoregionals.com/9394g-journal/


Doesn't Ohio had fall soccer as well? Yet I see 3 teams on the girl's side.


QUOTE]

Yes, Ohio and Indiana play HS in the fall as do other states. The issue as it was explained to me, but could be wrong, was that cerain states have a different cutoff date for when they start 1st grade. For instance, in Indiana, I know of a HS freshman the plays U14 because she started school in Virigina and then moved to Indiana. WHen they moved to Indiana, they found that her birthdate fell so that she would have started school a year later in Indiana then she was allowed to in Virginia.

As per the MRL, the rules are clearly posted online. We don't rely on our state association to interpret the rules. While I respect that they won regionals, I'm not sure I want to see a league who begins making exceptions to their rules. Look at the U15 girls Premier division. The regional champs from U14 (Carmel United) were in the 1st division and didn't do well enough to qualify for Premier. THe regional runner-up was in premier, but didn't do well enough to pre-qualify for premier this season (although they could still be in premier). Should exceptions be made for these teams?

And also, MRL allows 7 guest players from your own club. Could Bangu have not worked out a situation to utilize 7 guest players to have a team for fall MRL? I don't know, just curious.

[the_north_cat]

eltoro, you're exactly right. Success at regionals requires a lot of luck and good bounces, and regional champs one year by no means mean regional prowess the next. But what about my point that success at regionals allows for automatic acceptance into the national leagues at the older age groups?

I don't agree about the guest players though as taking 1/2 a team of the club's second team players, picking from those who didn't choose to play HS soccer, would have weakened the team significantly. They probably thought (apparently based on State officials) that they would stand a better chance of petitioning to play in the Premier league the following year. You're also right that this seems a case of lending too much credance to State officials' words rather than seeking direct interpretation from MRL. Too bad for them, but the 1st Div won't be a cake walk for them.

Menace, I don't know about the 4 year eligibility rule. I don't think we have that in place or these players would have hopefully been informed by their high school ADs. In soccer espscially, we've seen younger players (8th graders) play varsity for 5 years in recent history, so unless the state HS league has changed something... There is a 7th grader from this group playing varsity as well.

As for the SSM issue, they are completely within their rights to partner with the tiny soccer association in their area (Faribault SA) and field teams legally in MN State Cup. The shame here is that this will really impact the opportunity for true Minnesota kids to experience regionals at the older age groups and it's a shame that SSM can recruit and offer $35K scholarships to attract players in, then put them on the same playing field as Minnesota community kids.

[KCM2]

Forgive my ignorance here, but this is something that had not occurred to me. So, girls that play HS in the spring won't be able to play in the MRL league? What do teams do? Do the seasons overlap? I have a daughter who will be HS next year who's team currently plays in the MRL U-14, just curious how all this works itself out? Thx

[the_north_cat]

I could be wrong here, but I think that's why the MRL loses some steam at the older age groups in the summer. Too many kids from too many states involved with HS soccer. I don't know for sure, but that's what I've heard.

[Bird1812]

Based upon the way birthdates/entry to kindergarten works pretty much throughout the US, I would say that none of the kids were 9th graders....I would guess that most are 7th graders. I have a 92 kid who is actually a U15 this year because she was born after September 1 (which is the cutoff for school enrollment for most States). I would venture a guess that the HS issue was not in play. Sounds as if it was a timing/admin issue that kept them out. Nothing is automatic.....gotta do the paperwork.



Here in Mass. some smaller school systems allow their high school teams to draw players from their junior high. The Mass Interscholastic Athletic Association allows this if the junior high and high school are on the same campus and do not have separate administrators. Many U13 and U14 teams in the less populated central, western and Cape Cod areas of the state have the same problem, although I don't think the teams that play in the Region 1 leagues would be included among them. Most of those kids are willing to forego high school soccer in the fall to continue training and playing with their club teams. Perhaps coincidentally, most of the teams are located in eastern Mass.

[PERFDBDAN]

KC -

At U15 and above the MRL offers separate League competitions for Fall and Spring. If you look at the teams commited for the spring you will see they come from States that play fall high school soccer. http://www.region2.com/MRL/news/Photos/MRL%20Spring%202008%20Qualified%20Premier%20Division%20Teams%206-26-07.pdf

Your team will play fall MRL. You will not play club soccer in the spring, unless the Kansas State High School Activities Association rules change.

If you look at the MRL Rule 5.02, you will see that the winner of the Premier division in Girls play in the fall receives a pass to Regionals and the winner inthe spring receives a pass for ages U15-18.

As to the winner of "Regionals" advancing to the National League, the National League Rules - not MRL rules - currently provide that the top two times in the highest division of the Regional Leagues will be invited to participate in the USYS National League. For this year it is U15 and U16, meaning last year's U14 and U15 teams were invited. Winning the Regional II National Championship Series Tournament does not gain a team admission to the National League.

[KCM2]

Thanks Perf!! I was thinking you had to play in the fall to qualify for the spring, but it looks like that is just for U14. So, at U15 and up, teams pick their alternate from high school season to play the MRL - got it! Forgot that at U15, you didn't need to play both seasons.

It will be a big change next year for the girls and interesting to see how they handle the level of play in HS. I know they'll have a blast with it, but hope they flow well with the differences in the level. I'm looking forward to it I know and expect to learn somethings next year.. :)

[MenaceFanatic]

Menace, I don't know about the 4 year eligibility rule. I don't think we have that in place or these players would have hopefully been informed by their high school ADs. In soccer espscially, we've seen younger players (8th graders) play varsity for 5 years in recent history, so unless the state HS league has changed something... There is a 7th grader from this group playing varsity as well.

It seems pretty clear, but maybe there is a way around it.....here is the by-law governing the number of seasons play is allowed (this is the Minnesota by-law specfically)....

BYLAW 109.00 SEASONS OF PARTICIPATION
1) Cross Reference: Bylaw 101 (Age), Bylaw 110 (Semesters Enrolled), Board Policy 109 and Bylaw 208 (Definition #8)

1. Students may not participate in more than one interscholastic season in a given sport in each school year or more than four seasons in any sport while enrolled in grades 9 to 12.

MAYBE the catch is the last part of that statement "in grades 9 to 12". It doesn't address what happens when an 8th grader is thrown into the mix, so who knows?

[akaasa]

I would believe that the rule only applies to grades 9-12. There have been some great girl hs hockey players who started as 7th graders and set a lot of scoring records during their 6 year careers. I had a couple of girls from my last years U12 team play hs this fall as 7th graders. For their sake, and their hs soccer programs sake, I would hate to see them have to miss their last two years of hs.

[MenaceFanatic]

It is somewhat difficult to believe that even a great U13 could possibly contribute postively to a varsity HS team? That would be a U13 competing against U18s and seems like a huge stretch! Even with great ball skills....it seems on the surface that they would have difficulty hanging with the much larger, stronger, and probably faster U18s? Anyone else have thoughts on this?

[the_north_cat]

I agree MF. I believe only 3 or 4 of the 8 truly had any sort of impact with their varsity squads. The rest were in between varsity and JV, or playing up with 10th grade teams. IMO, the one who likely contributed the most was the 7th grader, if you can believe that.

Mommy and daddy wanted little Suzie to play in the big HS program. What they fail to understand is that 1) there is plenty of time for that in the coming years, and 2) the development they would have had within their club program would have outweighed that which they saw with their HS squads just based on the sheer variance of skill levels in the HS program. I'm sure MN is not the only state that has issues like this and I'm sure many HS coaches would disagree with me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for HS soccer as there are many benefits from participation. But for a team like this, it has obviously worked against where they want to go.

[RegionIIFutbolr]

The shame here is that this will really impact the opportunity for true Minnesota kids to experience regionals at the older age groups and it's a shame that SSM can recruit and offer $35K scholarships to attract players in, then put them on the same playing field as Minnesota community kids.
Its simple really, that blog site is bashing the SSM kids because they do not want to stay at home and be forced to play HS soccer, instead, they go to a true academy and train yr round in the perfect enviroment, maybe, and this isnt just for the MN girls, but if club teams decide as a team to play MRL year round maybe things might be a bit different. Maybe not? Dont just blame SSM because they are offering year round training, but put a bit of the blame on the committment, or lack of, of some of the club girls up in MN. Look at Eclipse, most of the girls pass on HS ball. And Iv been see'ing the IMG teams starting to get some rankings now as well. So it's not just SSM that is doing something right. Most of the girls mentioned in the piece below are playing for top D1 programs..All are from the Chicago area. So if the parents want to bash SSM, then I would also encourage them to bash Eclipse as well, since they are training year round. And there is nothing wrong with that. Is there?

Come on Menace, you started this..
March 12, 2006

BY JOE TROST

HIGH SCHOOLS GIVING GROUND TO GIRLS SOCCER
For a brief moment last June, Michele Weissenhofer was living a dream.

There she stood June 4, looking at the Neuqua Valley fans celebrating after the Wildcats shocked New Trier for the Class AA girls soccer state title.

Weissenhofer and her teammates had pulled off an unbelievable second-half comeback, rallying from a 3-0 deficit to earn a 6-3 victory that ended the Trevians' 88-game unbeaten streak against Illinois teams.

That game has been described by many as one of the greatest state finals, and Weissenhofer led the charge with three goals.

SKIPPING SCHOOL

A list of the area's top girls soccer players opting for club instead of high school this spring:

Seniors
Amanda Clark, Neuqua Valley
Jenny Green, Palatine
Wes Johnson, St. Charles North
Brittany McCoy, Loyola
Chelsea Potts, Waubonsie Valley
Jackie Santacaterina, Geneva
Lauren Switzer, St. Charles North
Michele Weissenhofer, Neuqua Valley
Becky Zirlin, Niles West

Juniors
Kerry Broderick, Jacobs
Bethany Brown, Vernon Hills
Kaitlin Bujak, St. Viator
Alex Burzynski, Neuqua Valley
Catherine Del Medico, Maine South
Kali Feiereisel, Libertyville
Alex Flis, Fremd
Kristen Granath, Fremd
Erica Iantorno, Hinsdale Central
Brittany Johnson, St. Viator
Janina Locascio, Fremd
Kelsey Lynch, St. Ignatius
Maddie Kawa, Hinsdale Central
Taylor Miller, Benet
Lauren Pasquesi, Highland Park
Brittany Potts, Waubonsie Valley
Jessica Price, Vernon Hills
Caitlin Rehder, Maine West
Nicole Staton, Grant
Cory Steigerwald, Stevenson
Christine Steinmetz, St. Viator
Tara Strickland, Libertyville
Lauren Thut, Stevenson

Sophomores
Emily Anding, Barrington
Tori Bachette, Hinsdale Central
Kelly Butler, Neuqua Valley
Amanda Cacciatore, Glenbrook South
Kaitlin Denis, Barrington
Katie Doyle, St. Charles East
Jackie Drees, Hersey
Jill Dunn, Neuqua Valley
Carolyn Edwards, Stevenson
Julie Ewing, Batavia
Jamie Forbers, St. Charles North
Arie Foster, Fremd
Melanie Geiser, Geneva
Rachelle Holt, St. Viator
Katrina Jakobsze, Fremd
Lauren Klopmeyer, St. Charles North
Lauren Levitt, Naperville Central
Kelsey Miller, Barrington
Ellen Murphy, Lincoln-Way Central
Susie O'Connor, Antioch
Lindsey Page, Marist
Brooke Patterson, Glenbrook South
Kelli Pawelka, Lemont
Hannah Peterson, Lincoln-Way Central
Susie Plager, Fremd
Laura Romberg, Vernon Hills
Bri Santacaterina, Geneva
Carly Samp, Barrington
Sarah Sroka, Geneva
Natalie Stone, New Trier
Susan Szymczak, St. Viator
Erin Tedesco, Fenwick
Vicki Traven, St. Charles North
Caitlin Wagener, Libertyville

Freshmen
Nicole Aiello, St. Viator
Erica Aquino, Glenbrook South
Jessica Arabia, Naperville North
Jenny Butler, Neuqua Valley
Emily Butrym, Libertyville
Libby Cooper, Batavia
Alexa Gaul, Neuqua Valley
Chelsea Grant, Mundelein
Ali Hall, Stevenson
Stephanie Iantorno, Hinsdale Central
Haley Krentz, Naperville North
Megan LeBaron, Grayslake
Lauren Mathy, New Trier
Jennifer Miranda, Mundelein
Hanna Monson, Stevenson
Shayla Mutz, Lockport
Carly Smith, Fenwick
Lindsay Thut, Stevenson
Taylor Vancil, St. Charles North

Nine months later, some of those same fans that cheered on the Notre Dame-bound senior have turned their backs on her. Weissenhofer is one of six players from Neuqua Valley who have continued the trend of electing to play club soccer instead of high school soccer this spring.

In the last three years, a handful of standout players have done that, including three of the premier players in the state -- Jen Buczkowski (Notre Dame) in 2003, Brittany Bock (Notre Dame) in 2004 and Lauren Switzer (UCLA) in 2005.

But more than ever this spring, high school students from all over are playing for clubs such as Eclipse Select, the Chicago Magic and the Chicago Sockers. In all, more than 100 of the top players in the area are taking a pass on the high school season.

Eclipse recently was named the No. 3 girls club in the nation by Soccer America, and the Chicago Magic earned the top honor for the second consecutive year on the boys side.

"It was a tough decision, and it's been tough since I've told people,'' said Weissenhofer, whose 26 goals in 30 games helped the Wildcats finish ranked atop the Studentsportssoccer.com national poll in 2005. "Some people have said I'm being selfish and that I should play for the community. But I'm doing what a lot of other players throughout the country have done for years. I'm preparing myself for college, and I felt club would benefit more than playing high school.''

With the first high school games set for March 20, the talk hasn't been about the top teams. It has been focused on who is and who isn't playing.

"There was a time when I thought I was going to play club this spring,'' said St. Viator's Danielle Griebel, who helped lead her school to its third Class A state title in four years in 2005. "But it's a personal decision, and I felt playing high school was going to be good for me. We're going to have a young team, and this will help my leadership skills.''

Griebel, who is headed to Miami, Duke-bound KayAnne Gummersall (New Trier), Vermont-bound Jenny Soldberg (Barrington), Illinois-bound Brittany Garrett (Lake Zurich), Villanova- bound Molly Williams (St. Ignatius) and Liz Holby (Fremd) are some of the better players who will play high school.

But it will be weird not seeing players such as Weissenhofer, Notre Dame-bound Amanda Clark (Neuqua Valley), Minnesota-bound Jenny Green (Palatine), Louisiana State-bound Chelsea Potts (Waubonsie Valley), Illinois-bound Jackie Santacaterina (Geneva), Cory Steigerwald (Stevenson), Brittany Johnson (St. Viator) and Jessica Price (Vernon Hills) not gracing a high school field this spring.

"It was a tough decision because I love my club teammates and high school teammates,'' Gummersall said. "Everyone has a right to choose what they want to do, and that's good.''

While most players understand, club and high school coaches have been jabbing at one another during the last month.

"The real reason is for self- interest, money,'' said Neuqua Valley coach Joe Moreau, who also coaches club during the offseason. "I think the club coaches have got into the heads of players and parents, saying that playing club year-round is the only way that they will get a scholarship. That is far from the truth.''

"The parents pay one fee for the entire year, whether they play high school or not,'' said Eclipse Select director Rory Dames, who won 166 games and three state titles in eight years at St. Viator before resigning last fall.

"Any high school coach that cuts a kid shouldn't talk because they are not allowing a kid to have that social experience. We allow these kids to drive $50,000 cars and make decisions on the road, but they can't make a decision to play club or high school? Some high school coaches are out of control with their egos.''

Despite the ongoing perception that club coaches are pressuring kids to play, that doesn't seem to be the case. According to a number of players interviewed, there has been more pressure to play high school than club.

"Many players do not play high school because of the strength of their high school team or confidence in their coach,'' Lake Zurich coach Pete Ternes said. "There is a perception among club coaches that some high school coaches are subpar in their abilities, and that is passed on to the players. Sometimes that is correct, but I think every situation is different.''

"There are positives to playing high school, but the high school system hasn't changed with the times,'' Chicago Magic director Mike Matkovich said. "The game is evolving, but there are still a lot of people from the old high school regime making decisions.''

Illinois High School Association assistant executive director Beth Sauser admitted she is concerned about the ongoing trend.

"It's a shame that the club and high school coaches have not been able to work together,'' Sauser said. "There was a time when kids could play both club and high school during the same season. It wouldn't surprise me if someone in the membership brought that proposal back to the table in the fall.''

Florida, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Texas and Virginia are some of the states that allow kids to play both during the same season. There are, however, rules restricting what both sides can do.

"The [IHSA] hasn't made it easy for the players with the restriction of not allowing kids to do both,'' Illinois women's soccer coach Janet Rayfield said. "They should be allowed to do both.''

Despite the cold shoulder she has received from some in the community, Weissenhofer won't go into hiding.

"I'll be at games when I can, cheering for my friends and school like everyone should,'' Weissenhofer said. "I hope people will still be cheering for me, too.''

[MenaceFanatic]

Come on Menace, you started this.

Although we have been discussing kids playing HS soccer and there are huge implications for both the club and HS side....I don't think the article has anything to do with north_cats quickly stating his opinions on S-SM. The two things seems to have blurred together in you post R2.

I am very, very sensitive to the pressures put on a kid to play HS soccer rather than club (my oldest recieved the highest, most profane, obviously slanderous pressure to play for her school-- no pressure from her previous club outside of simply asking for confirmation/committment of who was playing club in Spring).

I am also sensitive to the feelings of many in Minnesota regarding S-SM and inclusion into State Cups there. While I am sure that recruiting happens, I can tell you (and R2 knows this first hand) that WE approached the coaching staff at S-SM. We went after the program, needed financial assistance and it was provided so my child could attend and get both a top notch training environment and a great education to prepare her for her life. Does recruiting happen at S-SM? I am sure it does, but I think it happens much less than people assume. And if anyone tries to tell me that recruiting doesn't happen at the local "community clubs"-- I'll directly and promptly call you a liar. I think that the recruiting rules are total BS anyway....if you are doing the right things for each player- how can you be recruited away? Put a great product out there for consumers, and they will find it. I don't think that the S-SM Coaching staff have State or Regional team ODP rosters posted on a bulletin board with mass mailers going to these players to attend S-SM. For those of you who have seen "We Are Marshall"-- I don't think there are sessions going on with names on a big board that are either circled or crossed out. If they see a player they like, they may give them some information. It is what it is-- a Residential program that offers a different level of training and a different training atmosphere than cannot be offered by many Club teams. It is not for everyone, it takes a special "animal" to be a part of the program.

Is there any expectation that my daughter's U16 team will play in MN State Cup? No. Is there any expectation that IF they ever do play in MN State Cup they would win it handily? No. And, frankly.....I don't care if the current S-SM U16s win OR PLAY in MN State Cup. Nor does my daughter. All we are concerned about is HER progression. Is she gaining the experience, skill, and education that makes it worth having her three hours from her family? That is what we have to measure to see if it is worth it.....

Now, with everyone training with high level players and coaches they are all developing nicely into much better players. As each of them get better, the team gets better that should be a given.

The only thing that really bothers me about those S-SM haters is this......
maybe you don't like the situation an institution like S-SM puts your local club in, but why be "ugly" to the kids or the parents? We don't write MN Youth Soccer policy, we don't make the rules. Rather, I would ask that those "haters" take an objective look and have some level of respect for the players who have the guts to give up friends, family, thier own bed, and many other things to pursue a dream or a goal. There are few who would be willing to make this kind of commitment-- give the kids the respect they deserve. Each and every one of these girls are very, very special and committed to a sport that should unite us. Instead, there is a feeling that somehow these teenage girls and boys are out to cheat them out of something (but aren't willing to make this kind of commitment). My kid puts her boots on one at a time, works hard at practice just like everyone else, and nothing is "handed" to her.

We look up to the players who get into D1 schools on scholarships, but some have great disdain for the players at S-SM? Why? Are they using your tax dollars? Are they taking food off your table? The worst thing that COULD happen is that MAYBE they may take a spot at the Region 2 Championships. Don't want that to happen? Train longer, train harder, and put yourselves in position to take what you feel is yours. No one is giving anyone a "free pass" to Regionals.....they have to be earned.

And that is all I have to say about that. (I didn't really want to even comment, but R2 asked.....) Sorry for the thread hi-jack. If anyone wants to continue this discussion and more posts come in on this subject, I'll move the posts to a new thread so as to not continue to hi-jack this one. This thread is not about S-SM, it is about the Bangu U14s........