VfB Stuttgart-Deutscher Meister 2007 Thread 07/08[R]

[benztown]

Very nice pass by da Silva...better than anything Bastürk did today...

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

And the derby win was ours today. it's party time :)

[Borussia]

Congrats on the derby win! Finally Roberto is scoring again...;)


PS: I lost my bet about Kennedy. :o

[benztown]

Lol, Gomez calling Franz an a$$hole on camera during the interview :D

And rightfully so I must say. All he did was kicking and hitting Gomez all game long.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Franz IS a complete asshole.

Two attempted elbow-checks at Gomez, brutal play the whole game round. Pure shithead.

Butttttt Franz has got nothing to show for it ;)

[benztown]

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1105399,00.jpg

[schwabe13]

What a saturday, first the win against Karsruhe and than this night our game against Osaka in the PPC
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=661355

[BlinderPassagier]

Watching the replay now, (as usual for Saturday matches :( ) What a game! Gomez wasn't injured was he?

[VfBOmaha]

just got home from work all day and this is spectacular news!:D We go out an get a quality win, and against the Blue Scum aus Baden!

wooooohooooooooo!!!:D

[Projekt4]

The Baden/Schwaben rivalry, given that it extends beyond football, is terribly provincial, and someone like Mario Gomez should refrain from adding fuel to it.

[benztown]

The Baden/Schwaben rivalry, given that it extends beyond football, is terribly provincial, and someone like Mario Gomez should refrain from adding fuel to it.

Of course it's provincial. But I think Mario's comment had nothing to do with the fact that this was a team from Baden. It was only directed at Franz. If I remember correctly, he said that he respects the KSC and that they play an incredible season, but that there's this one player Franz who's simply an a$$hole. He was clearly still under the impression of the brutal match, because in subsequent interviews, he didn't want to go into that anymore.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

The Baden/Schwaben rivalry, given that it extends beyond football, is terribly provincial, and someone like Mario Gomez should refrain from adding fuel to it.

When you say this, a clear listr of events comes to mind:
1. You probably didn't watch the game.
2. You probably didn't watch the interview, only heard it here.
3. You then feel the need to make sweeping generalizations over rivalry in order to have an opinion on the topic.

Now, if you had watched the game(1.) and the interview(2.), then you would probably know that not only was Gomez referring to one specific player, Maik Franz, rather than the entire Karlsruhe side(nevermind Badener in general...), but you would also know that this criticism of ONE PLAYER(in capitals because I want to emphasize that, again, he criticized 1 player, not the entire side) was completely justified: Franz played the entire match as if his purpose was to send Gomez to hospital: dangerous tackles throughout, and even two attempted elbow-checks while the referee wasn't looking!

Now you say "he should've refrained from adding fuel to the rivalry". Well, in my opinion, Franz should refrain from trying to injure our best player all game. I stand by Gomez for his comments, in which, mind you, he didn't directly actually call Franz an asshole, another you apparently are unaware of but still chose to comment on. And finally, these comments were, logically, after the game was over, so how the hell do you 'add fuel to the rivalry then' anyway, once the game has already been played?

Sorry mate, but don't expect to come onto the VfB thread with limited knowledge on some events and just complain about our best player's comments when they are entirely justified, because few people take such crap. Gomez is a class act, on the field, but ALSO OFF IT, and he is not the sort of idiot who would deliberately hype events up. If you had actually watched the interview, which I severely doubt you did, you would of noticed this yesterday as well.

[Projekt4]

Regarding Gomez, who I have huge admiration for as a player, I wasn't actually talking about the interview, I was pretty shocked instead by the way he ostentatiously celebrated his goal in front of the travelling KSC crowd as a deliberate provocation (or more likely instead: in response to provocations; doesn't change anything). That's VERY irresponsible in this heated atmosphere, and now regarding the interview, you don't call other players, coaches or referees assholes in interviews, but he's still new to the business so he'll learn from it.

I've always liked Stuttgart, I hope you'll make it into European competition. (Though I dislike both Veh and Heldt.)

More on Gomez, he fouled back out of revenge, and then he suddenly celebrates as a substitute on the pitch (or at least far from the bench IIRC) after Cacau's goal. Together with his goal celebration which I find pretentious (and other players teasing him for it seem to agree) I come to the conclusion that he's rather not a nice guy. Something which is fortunately totally irrelevant as he's an awesome striker.

Ultimately, I think Gomez may be becoming too good for the Stuttgart squad, and that can be a problem for him and his club.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

I'll ignore the fact that most things I pointed out in the last post weren't picked up.

Gomez scored the first goal on the end where the KSC fans were. I doubt he thought 'Oh now I scored. Look, there are the ScheissKSC fans, i'm gonna go piss them off'. He just scored, he was happy, and so he celebrated is how I see it.

Now, I never knew you were a beacon of sophistication that decided what people may or may not do in interviews. Considering Franz would've probably been satisfied if he injured Gomez out of the season and the EM, i'd say Gomez can say all he wants about him. Unprofessional would be to lose your top during the game, knock out Franz, and get suspended for 2 months. Calling him an 'asshole' in an interview, is perfectly acceptable in such a heat of the moment and I don't blame Gomez for saying it. In fact, I respected that he was so honest, and he said what every commentator and expert was probably thinking regarding Franz.

As for celebrating from the bench: HOW IS THAT A BAD THING TO DO? You must keep in mind this is for most of us fans one of the biggest games in the entire season. The players obviously really wanted to win, and Cacau's goal was decisive, so unsurprisingly Gomez celebrated.

About Gomez becoming too good for us, there's no doubt he's the best player in the team at the moment. He will make a move to a huge club in the near future. But not too near. He has a contract to 2012 that he signed last year, and i'm pretty sure he'll stay with us for atleast another season. As for it being a problem for the club, nothing Gomez has done in the last 24 months has been a problem for the club, he's not only a great striker but a model professional. I couldn't see him ever causing any problems for our club.

Our of interest, this is no longer related to the Gomez discussion, how come you don't like Veh and Heldt? I'm not going to argue your opinion over them, i'm just curious.

[Projekt4]

Our of interest, this is no longer related to the Gomez discussion, how come you don't like Veh and Heldt? I'm not going to argue your opinion over them, i'm just curious.

Mainly because they undermine national teams (Germany and others) more aggressively than other club coaches by asking for their players not to be called up, not to be fielded, or even by spreading theories that their players care more about the national team than the club.

I also don't like the fact that Heldt seems to have messed up last summer's transfer strategy for a club which I like and which could have done much better in this window of opportunity which is winning the Bundesliga title.

Feel free to argue my opinion, that's what it's all about. :cool:

[footyfan1]

Mainly because they undermine national teams (Germany and others) more aggressively than other club coaches by asking for their players not to be called up, not to be fielded, or even by spreading theories that their players care more about the national team than the club.

They do?? I don't hear Jogi Loew complaining.......

[Projekt4]

They do?? I don't hear Jogi Loew complaining.......

It crops up time and again. There was a much publicised conflict with Löw after the Romania friendly (I think), where he was clearly incensed by the accusation that he had fielded Hitzlsperger despite an injury, and another player (Hilbert) for more than 45 minutes.
The Mexican players got into big trouble at home because Stuttgart had discouraged them from attending the Copa América.

That's not to say that the international timetable is beyond criticism.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

I understand their position, due to all the injuries we've had this season: Boka missed a month and a half, Delpierre was out for 4 months, Tasci has had two minor injuries, Osorio one minor injury, Hitzlsperger was injured for a month, Hilbert had a minor injury, Basturk missed most of the first half of the season through injury, Gomez has twice been out for a month, Cacau was out for two months.

Obviously with such issues they were especially cautious and protective regarding their players. I commend them for it. But they never had any huge arguments with Loew about them. Loew has excellent relations with VfB, he was a very good manager of ours 10 years, he's friends with Erwin Staudt and as far as I know on good terms with Veh and Heldt. Loew can't say this as NT manager, but I do believe he's a VfB supporter, or at the very least grew up as one.

Regarding our previous discussion, there was an article in Kicker today where Veh defended Gomez's comments and said there will be no action taken against him. I applaud Veh for this.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Sven Ulreich: Kicker Rating: 3
MR: 3

Andreas Beck: KR: 3.5
MR: 3.5

Fernando Meira: KR: 3.5
MR: 4

Matthieu Delpierre: KR: 2.5
MR: 3 (Nevertheless, his best performance in quite a while, closest he's been to emulating last season's form. Matthieu is on the way back :) )

Ludovic Magnin: KR: 4
MR: 3.5

Pavel Pardo: KR: 3
MR: 3

Roberto Hilbert: KR: 3
MR: 3

Thomast Hitzlsperger: KR: 3.5
MR: 3

Yildiray Basturk: KR 4
MR: 4.5 (I want da Silva to start over him in the coming games)

Mario Gomez: KR: 2
MR: 2.5

Ciprian Marica: KR: 4
MR: 3

SUBS:

Antonio da Silva: KR: NR
MR: 3

Cacau: KR: NR
MR: 2.5

Sami Khedira: KR: NR
MR: NR

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Maik Franz: KR: 4.5 :p

[footyfan1]

It crops up time and again. There was a much publicised conflict with Löw after the Romania friendly (I think), where he was clearly incensed by the accusation that he had fielded Hitzlsperger despite an injury, and another player (Hilbert) for more than 45 minutes.
The Mexican players got into big trouble at home because Stuttgart had discouraged them from attending the Copa América.

That's not to say that the international timetable is beyond criticism.


I know to say "Stuttgart aren't the only ones" is not a defense, but there is something in your your paragraph that I think would justify Stuttgart's anger.

If it is just a friendly, why play Hitzlsperger despite injury? If it is just a friendly, why play a kid for over 45 minutes if his club doesn't want it??

What is at stake in a friendly?? If the kid is up for a spot and his club doesn't want him to play long enough to earn the spot, tell the kid to talk to his club.

Stuttgart aren't the only club who has ever discouraged players from attending CONCACAF/CONMEBOL tournaments. Mainz blacklisted Conor Casey after he played for the USA in a Gold Cup tourney and got hurt doing it.

Again, not a defense, but when you use that as a reason for disliking a club, I take it you dislike everyone who has ever done it???