Riquelme vs Kaka vs Ronaldinho

[Lspence]

Now you guys are really gonna hate me. These aren't my comments. I saw this on one of the other big soccer forums.

I thought this would stimulate an interesting debate.

Ronaldinho and Kaka are better than Riquelme. What are your thoughts?

[bsas]

Now you guys are really gonna hate me. These aren't my comments. I saw this on one of the other big soccer forums.

I thought this would stimulate an interesting debate.

Ronaldinho and Kaka are better than Riquelme. What are your thoughts?

You are really looking for trouble, my friend... :D

First of all, I would say they are not the same type of players. But if I had to compare, I would say Ronaldinho is flashier than Roman and has more tricks up his sleeve. Kaka is undoubtedly faster. But Roman has a better vision, control of the game and is a better playmaker.

[Volrath]

I have never considered Ronaldinho to be that much of a playmaker, he's more of an excellent winger to me. Kaka's fairly inconsistent, just like Riquelme, Kaka plays fantastic in the Champions League but has been known to dissapear on occasions in the Italian league. But this isn't really a problem with Milan because they still have Seedorf and Pirlo who take over when the other one fades out.

You can't really say who's the better player between the 3 imo.

[bsas]

Kaka plays fantastic in the Champions League but has been known to dissapear on occasions in the Italian league. But this isn't really a problem with Milan because they still have Seedorf and Pirlo who take over when the other one fades out.

Totally agree. Seedorf is an extremely underrated player, but imho he has been as instrumental as Kaka in their CL victory. Not to take anything away from Kaka who is real class.

[argentine soccer fan]

Roman is great, but in my estimation, probably Ronaldinho is the best of the three based on his whole career. Based on current form, probably Kaka is best of the three.

But, I could use any of the three to build a team. All three are probably top five in their generation.

(I am considering young kids like Leonel Messi a new generation).

Edit: This thread should be in a different forum. It's not about the national team.

[Dr. Know]

Vipnerd please close this pice of shit thread. And "Lspence" STFU already.

Thank you.

[argentine soccer fan]

And "Lspence" STFU already.

Thank you.

Seconded. I responded without noticing that the thread was started by the same moron who was dissing Boca and the Argentine league. I guess you always have to be on the lookout for trolls.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Regardless, Riquelme wins.

[phil80]

Regardless, Riquelme wins.
I'll take that as a joke, especially if the thread is talking about Ronaldinho's whole career.

[Dr. Know]

And so it begins.... The troll got his wish. :rolleyes:

Vip please close the thread.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Quality.

[Moishe]

I'll take that as a joke, especially if the thread is talking about Ronaldinho's whole career.

How much does Nike pay you to come on here and fluff Ronaldinho? The only thing I'll say about his numerous personal achievements, oh wait they're FIFA awards which mean they carry as much weight as a Grammy does to music. So you must be referring to the great lengths he carried PSG, oh wait they didn't do crap so you must be referencing all the success he achieved for Gremio, oh wait it wasn't that either. So hell it must be how he's carried El Seleciao oh wait he hasn't done that yet either.

He is an incredible player with skill rivaled by very few but his achievements at Barca were due in large part to the cast he had around him and the facts are in the 2004/5 season in which he won his first Blatter Boy Crush award, Riquelme put forth the better season in every facet from scoring to assists to elevating the players around him. More impressive is that the Villarreal team that Riquelme elevated was at the very best on a good day an average side with zero history to look back upon. Now run along and continue your impressive impersenation of sheeple.

[phil80]

How much does Nike pay you to come on here and fluff Ronaldinho? The only thing I'll say about his numerous personal achievements, oh wait they're FIFA awards which mean they carry as much weight as a Grammy does to music. So you must be referring to the great lengths he carried PSG, oh wait they didn't do crap so you must be referencing all the success he achieved for Gremio, oh wait it wasn't that either. So hell it must be how he's carried El Seleciao oh wait he hasn't done that yet either.

He is an incredible player with skill rivaled by very few but his achievements at Barca were due in large part to the cast he had around him and the facts are in the 2004/5 season in which he won his first Blatter Boy Crush award, Riquelme put forth the better season in every facet from scoring to assists to elevating the players around him. More impressive is that the Villarreal team that Riquelme elevated was at the very best on a good day an average side with zero history to look back upon. Now run along and continue your impressive impersenation of sheeple.
You must have a brain-block because that Villareal run was JUST ONE SEASON. If you judge a person's whole career on one season then you have no credibility. And for your info, I was one of the first to criticize Ronaldinho in his recent poor form, while you have maintained your fanboy status with Riquelme.

[Moishe]

You must have a brain-block because that Villareal run was JUST ONE SEASON. If you judge a person's whole career on one season then you have no credibility. And for your info, I was one of the first to criticize Ronaldinho in his recent poor form, while you have maintained your fanboy status with Riquelme.

Gee I didn't realize Riquelme only played one season at Villarreal:rolleyes: Two excellent seasons actually plus both tours at BOCA and more consistent performances for the NT. So by Rony have one more better season in Spain you're gonna hang off his jock. Don't talk silverware and shit because without the supporting cast at Barca, I wonder just how much they would've won?

[phil80]

Gee I didn't realize Riquelme only played one season at Villarreal:rolleyes: Two excellent seasons actually plus both tours at BOCA and more consistent performances for the NT. So by Rony have one more better season in Spain you're gonna hang off his jock. Don't talk silverware and shit because without the supporting cast at Barca, I wonder just how much they would've won?
They finished 7th in La Liga, that's right, 7th in 05-06, thats nothing to salivate over. Ronaldinho's had more success, played the better football, and has done so over a longer period. And internationally, how many world cups has riquelme played in? that's what i thought. And Villareal is really missing him this year, sitting in 3rd place in la liga.

[Volrath]

1) Villareal's squad with Riquelme' being the main star was far from being a worldclass side, the fact that they managed to qualify for Europe, even if it was only for the Uefa cup, several times was quite impressive. Even more impressive was that 3rd place in La Liga and the semi-final of the Champions League.

2) Ronaldinho played the better football? Subjective, highly subjective for that matter...

3) 2 World Cups as opposed to one, This would have been the same amount if Bielsa hadn't been such an idiot.

4) Again, Villareal has almost a completely different squad now. A lot more high caliber players then Riquelme's semi-final CL team. That comparison isn't fair imo.

[phil80]

I agree you can never compare them based on trophies because of Ronaldinho's teammates but I dont think its highly subjective comparing their talent. People give credit to Riquelme for his vision, and rightfully so, but dont associate this attribute to Ronaldinho, forgetting all the balls he gave Etoo, Giully, etc on top of his superior ball control.

[vipnerd]

They finished 7th in La Liga, that's right, 7th in 05-06, thats nothing to salivate over. Ronaldinho's had more success, played the better football, and has done so over a longer period. And internationally, how many world cups has riquelme played in? that's what i thought. And Villareal is really missing him this year, sitting in 3rd place in la liga.


Wouldn't the fact that they finished 7th in La Liga telll you a bit more of the depth of squad of the team and further magnify the achievement of reaching CL semis that season?

As to the # of WCs ... 98 was too early for Roman. 2002 was Bielsa's complete brain diarrhea ... that is how the NT performed. 2006, he was the playmaker of the best football showed in that WC ... and was in semis until he left the field.

Yet, you can see this in 2 different ways: career and present. In both of them, probably Dinho and Kaka have the edge. At the same time, some would say that Dinho has achieved more than Maradona ... tied in WC titles, tied in local tournies won in Europe but one won a CL and the other only a UEFA Cup.

The turning point for any analysis starts in the value each gives to the tournaments in Europe vs South America. Roman's achievements at club level in South America, and at youth NT level, are much bigger than Dinho's and Kaka's. In this context, it is like a return to the childhood question: who do you love more, dad or mom? Those with only one parent have an easier answer ... or so would it seem.



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[Moishe]

They finished 7th in La Liga, that's right, 7th in 05-06, thats nothing to salivate over. Ronaldinho's had more success, played the better football, and has done so over a longer period. And internationally, how many world cups has riquelme played in? that's what i thought. And Villareal is really missing him this year, sitting in 3rd place in la liga.

That is right they did finish 7th yet they also were semi-finalists in the Champions League. Throw some Intertoto inlcuding a win and two better than solid performances in the UEFA Cup. Not bad for a tiny team that just recently starting seeing any success and has never had a roster remotely close to what a Barca can field.

As for World Cups, using this tournament as a basis for how great Ronaldinho is pretty much a joke as he was lambasted for being an invisible man. Of course he does have one more WC under his belt in 2002 but any knowledgable fan would know that the only reason Riquelme didn't go in 2002 was due to Bielsa being an idiot. We saw how far Bielsa got without Argentina's play maker didn't we? Further more, for having one more WC over Riquelme how is it that he has less assists? I'll will submit that he does have those three goals but he also got sent off so there you are for comparing WC's. Oh yeah Riquelme was acknowledged by many to be amongst the most outstanding players at this past WC, when was Ronaldinho ever considered that in either WC?

For being considered one of the best ever, Ronaldinho never did squat in South America aside from NT matches. For being such a great player, I'd expect at least one Libertadores, SudaAmericana or a Recopa. For a player of his stature I would have expected him to pick up at least one side and carry them to some sort of title.

I'd never dispute his incredible skill or greatness as a player because he truly is that but until he carries a team to another level I'm not buying into Nike's marketing campaign.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

They finished 7th in La Liga, that's right, 7th in 05-06, thats nothing to salivate over. Ronaldinho's had more success, played the better football, and has done so over a longer period. And internationally, how many world cups has riquelme played in? that's what i thought. And Villareal is really missing him this year, sitting in 3rd place in la liga.

Ronaldinho inspired PSG to 11th place in his second season. He then threw a tantrum and demanded to leave. The next season PSG finished 2nd.