Is is ever ok for 17-0 score? (Illinois High School Soccer)

[Sccrfan]

At Winnetka (New Trier)*
REGIONAL SEMIFINAL
Winnetka (New Trier) 17 F
Chicago (C. Academy) 0

Can anyone honestly justify a coach allowing a score to get to this point? Personally, I'm outraged. No, I don't have a child at either school, but when I see something I consider outrageous I speak up, and then love to read other people's opinions.

http://www.ihsa.org/scores/7o17sob2.htm

[SYoshonis]

At Winnetka (New Trier)*
REGIONAL SEMIFINAL
Winnetka (New Trier) 17 F
Chicago (C. Academy) 0

Can anyone honestly justify a coach allowing a score to get to this point? Personally, I'm outraged. No, I don't have a child at either school, but when I see something I consider outrageous I speak up, and then love to read other people's opinions.

http://www.ihsa.org/scores/7o17sob2.htmWhy is there no mercy rule? Here in Michigan, when a team gets eight goals ahead in the second half, the game is over.

[Celtic3]

It is what it is.
Have been on the giving and receiving end of that type of result.
It's high school not kindergarten.
It's the losing teams responsibility to field a competitive team,if they can't they should either take their lumps or forfeit.

[BigGuy]

At Winnetka (New Trier)*
REGIONAL SEMIFINAL
Winnetka (New Trier) 17 F
Chicago (C. Academy) 0

Can anyone honestly justify a coach allowing a score to get to this point? Personally, I'm outraged. No, I don't have a child at either school, but when I see something I consider outrageous I speak up, and then love to read other people's opinions.

http://www.ihsa.org/scores/7o17sob2.htm

Most people will tell you as in older level club ball if you can destroy the opponent you do that.

Some reasons given maybe because a player on the team is going for a scoring title.

Don't want to see it happen spend more time on defense on the practice field so it can't happen.

[keylyme]

Something similar just happened at our public hs. They won a game 12-0 and a parent of the other school sent a letter to the coach, the AD, and the local newspaper complaining about it.
It seems our team's coach did everything she could to try to prevent this:
she put a player in goal who had never played, she put the goalie in as a forward (a position he hadn't played since elementary school rec), she mixed up positions and played the bench, she instructed the players that they couldn't take a shot on goal until they had connected ten passes each time.
According to my son, it is okay to "destroy".

[5x300games]

Can anyone honestly justify a coach allowing a score to get to this point?

I think it can be justified.

First, it looks like this is the Illinois state tournament, and New Trier was seeded first in the sectional playing the 16th seed (and probably lowest seed). Maybe they re-seed the sectionals or at state and a big score in regionals would look good. Maybe goal differential is a tiebreaker somewhere. But, this is the state tournament! Bring your best...

Second, these scores don't always happen in isolation. Did the other team beat the winning team in football or basketball? I went to a football school, and some of the teams we beat up in football would take great pride in thrashing us in soccer or hoops. (I saw New Trier's football team took it on the chin, yesterday, 42-7.)

Third, just because the score is up doesn't mean the coach was pouring it on. Maybe he substituted liberally or had players change positions. As a coach, I would not tell players who don't usually get significant playing time to hold back.

Regarding New Trier, they seem to be one of those schools where the freshman team could beat a lot of varsity teams. They seem to do well in a few sports...

[headerdunce]

At Winnetka (New Trier)*
REGIONAL SEMIFINAL
Winnetka (New Trier) 17 F
Chicago (C. Academy) 0

Can anyone honestly justify a coach allowing a score to get to this point? Personally, I'm outraged. No, I don't have a child at either school, but when I see something I consider outrageous I speak up, and then love to read other people's opinions.

http://www.ihsa.org/scores/7o17sob2.htm


It's o.k. if these schools are traditional rivals. Only downside is greater likelihood of a fight breaking out. If they're not rivals, this may be a bit harsh, but no need to be outraged.

[esther15]

arrogance is the only word I can think of. It is only okay if you are playing hih school football! Hope they lose next round

[JoseP]

It's never OK. Justify it any way you want, but it is wrong.

[Sccrfan]

This was the first round of the Illinois High School Association playoffs. I believe part of the problem is that the IHSA feels the need to seed everyone, so a first seed like NT will play a last seed, which is what happened here. I still don't believe the players on the field took the feelings of the players or fans into consideration at all each time they placed their foot on the ball and struck it towards net. More importantly, they didn't take any pride in themselves or their school when they ran the score up like that. However, since the score was that lope sided, the IHSA didn't have to report it as they did. On the club side in Illinois, during the State Cup the IYSA (Illinois Youth Soccer Association) only reports scores with a total differential of 4 goals. Maybe in Illinois at the high school level two things need to happen. First they should consider a mercy rule, and if not that, report the scores differently. Maybe if a team understands it's only going to show a 4-0 score they won't feel the need to make it look so idiotic. However, I really doubt that. A well-coached team with players that have been raised with compassion by their parents wouldn't need to have scores falsely reported. They would do what was right on their own. 17-0 wouldn't be what I consider doing the right thing (whether it's a high school rivalry or not).

[coachv]

[quote=Sccrfan;13011839]At Winnetka (New Trier)*
REGIONAL SEMIFINAL
Winnetka (New Trier) 17 F
Chicago (C. Academy) 0

Can anyone honestly justify a coach allowing a score to get to this point? Personally, I'm outraged. No, I don't have a child at either school, but when I see something I consider outrageous I speak up, and then love to read other people's opinions.

I guess it comes down to intent. However, at 10 to 0, the coach should have put a no shot rule in place. Only passing and working the ball around the field. Shots only taken when the other team scored. Some say this can be humiliating for the other team, but I have found it a good rule. We use this at U12 level. If ahead by 6, we only work the ball around the field with no shots taken. Great training tool for the players and if done correctly, it is not a humiliation for the other team. I guess we need to understand that 16 and 17 year old players are STILL kids.

[so1mio]

At Winnetka (New Trier)*
REGIONAL SEMIFINAL
Winnetka (New Trier) 17 F
Chicago (C. Academy) 0

Can anyone honestly justify a coach allowing a score to get to this point? Personally, I'm outraged. No, I don't have a child at either school, but when I see something I consider outrageous I speak up, and then love to read other people's opinions.

http://www.ihsa.org/scores/7o17sob2.htm

Wow, New Trier must be an incredible team! Congrats to the coach and the players. All of norshore must had a huge celebration after the game. I always use to think the coach was an a-*ole, but I was wrong.:)

[beautifulgame11]

I saw this score and at first I thought it was pretty classless...but the more I think about it, there are some factors that could have been involved. It would be nice if someone who was at the game would let the rest of us know how it played out, and what was going on. You never know how the losing team was playing (could have been dirty and looking to hurt kids), as well as if there was any sort of history between the two schools. I do not by the excuse that New Trier could have had no other option other than to keep scoring, even if your reserves are in, you can have them just keep the ball, not look to score. New Trier is without question one of the deepest and most talented teams in the state, and they have plenty of kids who play at a high enough level to simply kill the game off and not let the score get as out of hand as it did.

In the end I do feel bad for the kids who were on the losing end of that score line, nobody likes to be humiliated, especially the kids who played their last game on that day.

[Celtic3]

hey ....It's only two converted touchdowns and a field goal ;)

[JG]

When I was in Champaign, a local radio station decided to broadcast a HS soccer game for the first time....final score: 18-0.

[SoccerMom96]

Never never never, should this happen. The winning coach should be ashamed of himself.

[CVAL]

[quote=Sccrfan;13011839]At Winnetka (New Trier)*
REGIONAL SEMIFINAL
Winnetka (New Trier) 17 F
Chicago (C. Academy) 0

Can anyone honestly justify a coach allowing a score to get to this point? Personally, I'm outraged. No, I don't have a child at either school, but when I see something I consider outrageous I speak up, and then love to read other people's opinions.

I guess it comes down to intent. However, at 10 to 0, the coach should have put a no shot rule in place. Only passing and working the ball around the field. Shots only taken when the other team scored. Some say this can be humiliating for the other team, but I have found it a good rule. We use this at U12 level. If ahead by 6, we only work the ball around the field with no shots taken. Great training tool for the players and if done correctly, it is not a humiliation for the other team. I guess we need to understand that 16 and 17 year old players are STILL kids.

Telling players not to shoot is horrible not soccer and hurts players.

The only thing the coach should even consider doing is swapping out positions and give playing time to those that have not gotten a lot.

The bigger question is why are these schools playing each other? This is an admin problem not a soccer problem.

[CVAL]

Never never never, should this happen. The winning coach should be ashamed of himself.

No the coach of the other team should be ashamed for not coming up with a game plan to not allow 17 goals.

The administrators that schedule games like this should be ashamed.

The local soccer community should be ashamed for not developing players.

No the winning coach should not be ashamed.

[coneydog]

A HS in our league is undefeated in both soccer and football. The football team recently squashed an opponent 90-0 and used the 1st string to start the second half while up by over 60 points. The opponent is a two-school brand-new team moved up a class despite only 3 players with Varsity experience and only 20 kids on the team. The score made national headlines due to the way the coach subbed (or didn't sub).

Yet their soccer team could have easily rolled up a 17-0 score against the weakest team too (0-13 with 4 GF and 95 GFA) but chose not to. What did their coach do? He used his GK as a striker, the defense played offense, and the strikers were moved to different positions once the team got an early lead. Their six goal scorers were the GK, sweeper, fullback, and three of the subs. The assist men were their top scorers. My son's HS team also used a game against this weaker team to play the subs and move people around. Another team in the league belted them 11-0 and 11-0 as their leading scorers piled up their points.

[so1mio]

No the coach of the other team should be ashamed for not coming up with a game plan to not allow 17 goals.

The administrators that schedule games like this should be ashamed.

The local soccer community should be ashamed for not developing players.

No the winning coach should not be ashamed.

I can't comprehend why there are coaches like Craig (both), and he has been coaching for a long time, but the fact is that there always will be coaches like him. And don't for a minute think that he's a good coach, cause he ain't. Even a monkey can coach and win at schools like New Trier (or Nequa Valley). The guy doesn't know the word "sub" and still carries a full roster +.