FIFA Club of the Century revisits

[Excape Goat]

This is the list voted exclusively by the readers of the bi-monthly FIFA Magazine on December 2000.

1. Real Madrid- 42,35%
2. Manchester United
3. Bayern Munich
4. FC Barcelona
5. AFC Ajax
5. Santos FC
7. Juventus
8. Peñarol
9. Flamengo
9. AC Milan
9. River Plate
12. Arsenal
12. Benfica
12. Boca Juniors
12. Botafogo
12. Independiente
12. Internazionale
12. Liverpool FC

There are 18 on the list. Let's make it to 20 clubs. I will study the list and come up with mine. How would you rank them?

[AussieLFCfan]

This is the list voted exclusively by the readers of the bi-monthly FIFA Magazine on December 2000.

1. Real Madrid- 42,35%
2. Manchester United
3. Bayern Munich
4. FC Barcelona
5. AFC Ajax
5. Santos FC
7. Juventus
8. Peñarol
9. Flamengo
9. AC Milan
9. River Plate
12. Arsenal
12. Benfica
12. Boca Juniors
12. Botafogo
12. Independiente
12. Internazionale
12. Liverpool FC

There are 18 on the list. Let's make it to 20 clubs. I will study the list and come up with mine. How would you rank them?

How the fcuk they came up with that i'll never know? :eek:

[Excape Goat]

How the fcuk they came up with that i'll never know? :eek:


because Liverpool fan clubs did not get their fans to send in their votes?

[indestructible]

Milan should be higher than Juve IMO

[Excape Goat]

I came up with a point system to determine the best in Europe. It is impossilbe to conmpare with Latin American clubs.

European Cup/CL winner: 5 points
World Cup Club/Toyota Cup: 1 point(because basically it is one extra match for the European Cup/CL winner)
UEFA Cup: 3 pts
Cup Winners' Cup: 3 pts
EC/CL runnerup: 1 pt
UEFA/Cup Winners' Cup runnerup: 0.5 pt

1) Real Madrid 58
2) AC Milan 48.5
3) Liverpool 36.5
4) Bayern Munich 31
5) Juventus 30.5
6) Ajax 27.5
7) Barcelona 26.5
8) Inter Milan 23.5
9) Porto 15.5
10) Benfica 15
11) Man Utd 14
12) Feyenoord 12
13) Arsenal 8
14) PSV 8

If I only count the winners....

EC/CL = 5
UEFA/Cup winners = 3
World Club Cup/Toyota Cup: 1

1) Real Madrid 54
2) AC Milan 44
3) Liverpool 34
4) Bayern Munich 28
5) Ajax 25
6) Juventus 24
7) Barcelona 22
8) Inter Milan 21
9) Porto 15
10) Man Utd 14
11) Feyenoord 12
12) Benfica 10
13) PSV 8
14) Arsenal 6

[comme]

I came up with a point system to determine the best in Europe. It is impossilbe to conmpare with Latin American clubs.

European Cup/CL winner: 5 points
World Cup Club/Toyota Cup: 1 point(because basically it is one extra match for the European Cup/CL winner)
UEFA Cup: 3 pts
Cup Winners' Cup: 3 pts
EC/CL runnerup: 1 pt
UEFA/Cup Winners' Cup runnerup: 0.5 pt

1) Real Madrid 58
2) AC Milan 48.5
3) Liverpool 36.5
4) Bayern Munich 31
5) Juventus 30.5
6) Ajax 27.5
7) Barcelona 26.5
8) Inter Milan 23.5
9) Porto 15.5
10) Benfica 15
11) Man Utd 14
12) Feyenoord 12
13) Arsenal 8
14) PSV 8

If I only count the winners....

EC/CL = 5
UEFA/Cup winners = 3
World Club Cup/Toyota Cup: 1

1) Real Madrid 54
2) AC Milan 44
3) Liverpool 34
4) Bayern Munich 28
5) Ajax 25
6) Juventus 24
7) Barcelona 22
8) Inter Milan 21
9) Porto 15
10) Man Utd 14
11) Feyenoord 12
12) Benfica 10
13) PSV 8
14) Arsenal 6

I realise that you were only doing it based on the clubs on the list but Spurs have won 2 UEFA Cups and a CWC, and were once runners up in the UEFA. That would give them 9.5 points under your system.

[Excape Goat]

I realise that you were only doing it based on the clubs on the list but Spurs have won 2 UEFA Cups and a CWC, and were once runners up in the UEFA. That would give them 9.5 points under your system.

I was too lazy to look up other clubs. The Spurs escaped me. I have not even thought of them.

Anyway, I don't take this system seriously. It is far from perfect. I would like to add domestic results without giving the Celtics and Rangers a free ride to the top 10. Liverpool would probably overtake AC milan if domestic results are considered.

[Alex_K]

Dortmund (10), Gladbach (8) and HSV (9,5) would be missing as well.

[spoonman]

I came up with a point system to determine the best in Europe. It is impossilbe to conmpare with Latin American clubs.

European Cup/CL winner: 5 points
World Cup Club/Toyota Cup: 1 point(because basically it is one extra match for the European Cup/CL winner)
UEFA Cup: 3 pts
Cup Winners' Cup: 3 pts
EC/CL runnerup: 1 pt
UEFA/Cup Winners' Cup runnerup: 0.5 pt

1) Real Madrid 58
2) AC Milan 48.5
3) Liverpool 36.5
4) Bayern Munich 31
5) Juventus 30.5
6) Ajax 27.5
7) Barcelona 26.5
8) Inter Milan 23.5
9) Porto 15.5
10) Benfica 15
11) Man Utd 14
12) Feyenoord 12
13) Arsenal 8
14) PSV 8

If I only count the winners....

EC/CL = 5
UEFA/Cup winners = 3
World Club Cup/Toyota Cup: 1

1) Real Madrid 54
2) AC Milan 44
3) Liverpool 34
4) Bayern Munich 28
5) Ajax 25
6) Juventus 24
7) Barcelona 22
8) Inter Milan 21
9) Porto 15
10) Man Utd 14
11) Feyenoord 12
12) Benfica 10
13) PSV 8
14) Arsenal 6

I have Ajax at 30.5

[uamiranda]

I came up with a point system to determine the best in Europe. It is impossilbe to conmpare with Latin American clubs.
Actually, Libertadores Cup is an equivalent in Latin America for EC/CL. You can consider also Conmebol Cup (does not exist anymore) or Copa Sul-Americana as an equivalent for UEFA Cup.

[Moishe]

I came up with a point system to determine the best in Europe. It is impossilbe to conmpare with Latin American clubs.

European Cup/CL winner: 5 points
World Cup Club/Toyota Cup: 1 point(because basically it is one extra match for the European Cup/CL winner)
UEFA Cup: 3 pts
Cup Winners' Cup: 3 pts
EC/CL runnerup: 1 pt
UEFA/Cup Winners' Cup runnerup: 0.5 pt

1) Real Madrid 58
2) AC Milan 48.5
3) Liverpool 36.5
4) Bayern Munich 31
5) Juventus 30.5
6) Ajax 27.5
7) Barcelona 26.5
8) Inter Milan 23.5
9) Porto 15.5
10) Benfica 15
11) Man Utd 14
12) Feyenoord 12
13) Arsenal 8
14) PSV 8

If I only count the winners....

EC/CL = 5
UEFA/Cup winners = 3
World Club Cup/Toyota Cup: 1

1) Real Madrid 54
2) AC Milan 44
3) Liverpool 34
4) Bayern Munich 28
5) Ajax 25
6) Juventus 24
7) Barcelona 22
8) Inter Milan 21
9) Porto 15
10) Man Utd 14
11) Feyenoord 12
12) Benfica 10
13) PSV 8
14) Arsenal 6

Just for some perspective by using the Libertadores, Sudamericana, Recopa and Intercontinental Cup, BOCA Jrs. would have come up with 54.5 and 51 points respectively. I was going to do river but I just can't stop laughing at that last place long enough to look at their numbers. Certainly the complexity of the list could change considerably if all South American sides were factored in.

I've got some honey-do's to accomplish for the wife but when I get that done I'll put the effort in to see where some of the other South American clubs will add up.

[JumpinJackFlash]

The original poll seems to have been purely popularity based rather than in mind of actual achievements. Though even in that sense it does seems strange for so clubs such as Peñarol to be on it, unless the magazine has wide distribution in that area.

[Fried]

European Cup/CL winner: 5 points
World Cup Club/Toyota Cup: 1 point(because basically it is one extra match for the European Cup/CL winner)

Sorry, but seems funny to me...

[unclesox]

Thread title should be changed to...
"FIFA Club of the Last Half of the Century"
Or we can at least have a look at this list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_combined_European_club_champions). Some great sides also existed in the first half of the century pre-UEFA.