Euro 2008- the seeding system

[Kaizeler]

When will the groups be drawn?
December 2nd.

[Phase4Nightmare]

You are totally overrating what a top seed means to the players and managers. There probably won't be a single player on the pitch in Germany on Wednesday night who will even know what Holland did earlier that evening. :cool:

Hate to say i told you so :rolleyes:

[96Squig]

thx

[Borussia]

Holland, you lost some respect today (although I can understand that neither we nor you are responsible for that UEFA mess...).


Keep very, very quiet please! :-)



I hope we win.


Don't believe you! :p

[Borussia]

We can still end up in a group of death, can't we.


Of course we can. But the probability isn't as high as if we had ended in pot A!



My personal wish is to not end up in a group with either Turkey or Poland because of demographics.

Weird statement...

However, I'd take Russia over them as well ... since we always coped very well with them in the past.


What could be better than to emerge from a group of death?

Yeah, as we did in 2000 and 2004...


I just don't want to play against Italy.

Really? :D Smithie is a fraidy-cat! :p


Bonne nuit.

[Pingudo]

Actually it's the Netherlands who enter the first pot.

We now have
Pot 1:
Austria (host)
Switzerland (host)
Greece (defending champion)
Netherlands (2.417)

Pot 2
Croatia (2.409)
Italy (2.364)
Czech Republic (2.333)
Sweden (2.273)

Pot 3:
Romania (2.250)
Germany (2.250)
Portugal (2.192)
Spain (2.182)

Pot 4:
Poland (2.167)
France (2.091)
Turkey (1.958)
Russia (1.958)

Group of death: Netherlands, Italy, Germany, France

[bwiorly]

Yeah a Group with Italy and Germany means no final between them.

???!!!!

Actually, Germany and Italy drawing in the same group and advancing from that group would guarantee *the possibility* of an Italy-Germany final (see Portugal and Greece in Euro 2004).

[Lusankya]

???!!!!

Actually, Germany and Italy drawing in the same group and advancing from that group would guarantee *the possibility* of an Italy-Germany final (see Portugal and Greece in Euro 2004).
I thought so, too. But they changed the match schedule. Look: http://www.uefa.com/multimediafiles/download/competitions/euro/360459_download.pdf
Teams from the same group now face each other in semi final. :(

[Edgar]

They didn't changed it. It was this way since they published it.

[johan neeskens]

Sure, but Holland is pretty much guaranteed to get a group of death. But I would have actually wanted Germany to be there. What could be better than to emerge from a group of death?

Difficult group, easy group, doesn't matter really. We're piss-poor either way.

[wombacik]

We can still end up in a group of death, can't we.

My personal wish is to not end up in a group with either Turkey or Poland because of demographics.

Can you explain what you had in mind while writnig about the demographics?

[96Squig]

Can you explain what you had in mind while writnig about the demographics?

Minorities in Germany, most likely.

They didn't changed it. It was this way since they published it.

Thgey changed it from 2004 he meant.

[Edgar]

UEFA Ranking system under review -> link (http://lucrurineinteresante.blogspot.com/2007/11/euro-2008-uefa-ranking-system-under.html).

[bwiorly]

I thought so, too. But they changed the match schedule. Look: http://www.uefa.com/multimediafiles/download/competitions/euro/360459_download.pdf
Teams from the same group now face each other in semi final. :(

I stand corrected--thanks!

So we're back to a WC 2002 configuration where Brazil and Turkey were in the same group and played against each other again in the semis. I must say I'm not a big fan of this system--I don't think two teams from the same group should have to face each other again until the final.

Any idea as to why they went with the WC 2002 format? I don't think the fact that we have two countries hosting is the reason--Euro 2000 was co-organized by Belgium and the Netherlands and two teams qualifying from the same group were placed in different halves of the draw after the group stage.

[Lusankya]

They didn't changed it. It was this way since they published it.
Yeah, but's a change from Euro 2004. You don't have a clue why they did change it?

[amirbachar]

Yeah, but's a change from Euro 2004. You don't have a clue why they did change it?

It's because there are two weak hosts, so they would like to meet a team that qualified from an easy group (without the 2 real pot 1 teams).
In 2002 WC it was becuase of the distances, that is one half was in Japan and one in South Korea

[BocaFan]

Hate to say i told you so :rolleyes:

True, you did tell me so. I'm surprised at Germany's tactics. I always under-estimate how dodgey UEFA football is. I don't know why. That 2-2 match b/w Sweden and Denmark in 2004 should've sold me for life. :(

Though I will stick by my initial point, which was that playing Switzerland (in Switzerland) and Greece is no easier than playing Holland. So the joke is on Germany in the end (unless they draw Austria).

[benztown]

True, you did tell me so. I'm surprised at Germany's tactics. I always under-estimate how dodgey UEFA football is. I don't know why. That 2-2 match b/w Sweden and Denmark in 2004 should've sold me for life. :(

Though I will stick by my initial point, which was that playing Switzerland (in Switzerland) and Greece is no easier than playing Holland. So the joke is on Germany in the end (unless they draw Austria).

Watching the 2-2 in 2004, I honstly can't say that there was anything dodgy about it.

I agree however with the second part. Being German, I would have wanted my team to win this last game. There are no easy groups in a EURO anyway so why not being proud of thefact that you head one? Emerging from a "group of death" is the best thing you can do to win respect.

But I'm not sure about the reason for the poor display against wales. I've seen the game and the German team obviously didn't play with all their heart, but I think it has rather to do with the fact that they were already qualified and didn't want to pick up an inury in a meaningless game like this than with the FIFA-coefficient. At least that's what I hope.

At least the fans showed how they feel about this game ahen they booed while the team showed up with a banner thanking he fans for the support during the last year.

[Cirdan]

I think as it is, the Netherlands don't have it that bad... the pots are pretty equal in my opinion, one or two very strong teams, one or two reasonably strong teams and one or two outsiders in every pot.

Netherlands, Sweden, Romania, Poland would certainly not be a group of death... but Switzerland, Italy, Germany, France would be.

[johan neeskens]

True, you did tell me so. I'm surprised at Germany's tactics. I always under-estimate how dodgey UEFA football is. I don't know why. That 2-2 match b/w Sweden and Denmark in 2004 should've sold me for life. :(

Though I will stick by my initial point, which was that playing Switzerland (in Switzerland) and Greece is no easier than playing Holland. So the joke is on Germany in the end (unless they draw Austria).

Are you aware that in the entire history of Dutch football, in all of its appearances in international tournaments, Holland's NEVER failed to get to the second stage? It's literally never happened that we had to go home after failure in the group stages. I'm pretty sure that the other European nations are aware of this fact and as a result it's pretty fair to assume that they don't exacly welcome the prospect of being drawn into a group with the Dutch.