Euro 2008- the seeding system

[Borussia]

I don't know if I would consider Romania massive. Or even the 2000 England team for that matter.


Fact is that Romania passed the group, whereas Germany & England had to pack their bags.

So far about "massive" and "not massive"...

[johan neeskens]

You're totally misquoting me.

It's amazing how offended you get by someone suggesting Switzerland could be tough to beat at home. :rolleyes:

I'm not offended at all. I just think your post underscores the conflicting views a lot of people have on Dutch football. On the one hand they don't seem to particularly rate us, on the other they accuse us of underperforming. Which is a bit of a contradiction in terms, if you get my point.

[Quaresma]

I'm not offended at all. I just think your post underscores the conflicting views a lot of people have on Dutch football. On the one hand they don't seem to particularly rate us, on the other they accuse us of underperforming. Which is a bit of a contradiction in terms, if you get my point.

Right now I consider Holland almost exactly like Portugal.

A group of brilliant players forever doomed by a average manager with dubious callups and lineups.

Germany will probably be in the group of death once more unfortunatly, but this time I believe they will qualify from it.

They have been the most consistent team, and should carry it through the Euros.

I wonder if there will be some "romantic" ties in the Euro much like there are in Champions League groups with porto being drawn with chelsea the year mourinho switched teams, roma and united in the same group this year, ac milan vs benfica(rui costa), barca and chelsea in the same group and 2 round of 16 games in a row etc etc.

I wouldn't bet against Holland and Germany being in the same group, even Poland as well.

I wouldn't be suprised if Greece get drawn with Portugal again.

[96Squig]

To be fair, with the Czech republic's current form, I don't think Germany has been challenged that hard. Yes, we are the most consistent at the moment, but that doesn't mean that we are the best team in Europe at the moment.

[BocaFan]

Fact is that Romania passed the group, whereas Germany & England had to pack their bags.

So far about "massive" and "not massive"...

I'm not getting your point(?).

What did Romania accomplish in the second-round? All evidence indicates that Germany's group was quite a bit weaker than the Holland (hosts), France (champions), Czech Republic, Denmark group. :cool:

[smithfan]

Yeah, if you go to the link provided in the first post of this thread you'll see that Germany's coefficient will drop to 2.4 if they draw the Czechs (2.3 if they lose). That would be enough to see them fall at least 2 places.

If this happens, then the draw will probably produce more balanced groups. The pot with the big "1" on it will just serve as a pseudo #3 pot, while the real #1 pot will have a big "2" on the front of it. ;)

OK...

I hate losing...but if it's for the sake of a good Euro 08...then so be it...:o

[Borussia]

I'm not getting your point(?).

What did Romania accomplish in the second-round? All evidence indicates that Germany's group was quite a bit weaker than the Holland (hosts), France (champions), Czech Republic, Denmark group. :cool:

You told me that you wouldn't consider Romania as "massive" in that group ... and I just tried to bring some facts to you! As you see, they were more "massive" than Germany & England.

[BocaFan]

You told me that you wouldn't consider Romania as "massive" in that group ... and I just tried to bring some facts to you! As you see, they were more "massive" than Germany & England.

Come on!! You're really grasping at straws now.

Getting 4 points in 3 games doesn't make you "massive". Especially when those 3 matches are in a group whose strength has to be seriously questioned (it was a weak-ass group, face it)

[Borussia]

hmm...really?

Well that of course would be good and should be possible since we're playing with a "b" squad on wednesday ;)

Damn, it was really possible! :p

Concerning the players' attitude from tonight, it seems to me that they badly wanted to avoid pot 1 ...

Buona notte.

[cromagnum]

i dont think germany is to upset at todays loss as they would much rather be in pot 2 then 1..

[Big balls]

Haha, it was great fun to hear people say Sweden was a dream draw. The posters hadn't listed their country but it would be fun to see Sweden being drawn into your group.

I'm not even starting to pick nightmare and dream opponents, Sweden is strong enough to go through any group so it won't matter. Hopefully the Swedish team doesn't end up in the group of death but the Euro groups are never easy.

[Edgar]

Update -> link (http://lucrurineinteresante.blogspot.com/2007/10/euro-2008-situatia-la-zi_18.html).

[Edgar]

Coefficient ranking -> link (http://lucrurineinteresante.blogspot.com/2007/10/euro-2008-clasamentul-coeficientilor_18.html).

[Hrvat]

So, we're in pot 1 at the moment. We better lose some points before the qualifiers end :D

[Phase4Nightmare]

What is the deciding factor in case of an equal coefficient?

[Edgar]

What is the deciding factor in case of an equal coefficient?

The coefficient from the last qualifying campaign, then goal difference.

[smithfan]

So, we're in pot 1 at the moment. We better lose some points before the qualifiers end :D


no, no...you guys can kick England out...and we'll be in pot 2 :D

[BocaFan]

This thread is sure tough to follow with every poster using the word "we".

Anyway, looks like Holland will be in pot #1 considering their easy schedule. I don't see Croatia winning in England when they have nothing to play for.

Here are the pots assuming things go according to plan for here on:

Pot 1: Greece, Swisse, Austria, Netherlands
Pot 2: Croatia, Sweden, Romania, Germany
Pot 3: Italy, Czechs, Portugal, France
Pot 4: Poland, Spain, Russia, Norway/Turkey

[96Squig]

With England propably not making it and Italy and France in pot 3, being pot 2 is - at least when you go according to historical names - not worth that much. No offence, but I don't think Sweden is that much better in general than Poland or Russia, at least compared to matchups you had at the world cup

[Metropolitan]

Euro group games are always harder than WC group games. Considering that something like 12 Euro teams make it to the second round at each World Cup, we can decently consider all Euro group games to be played at the same level as WC second round games.

Of course there will necessarily be a group of death, but don't dream on... it won't be an easy way to go through any of the 4 groups.