Throwing knives

[NYFC]

and it isn't a jersey team playing in giants stadium?

people's posts are getting too predictable on this board

[metroflip73]

You know, this team used to have a front office that did prowl these boards and would issue periodic statements on the progress of the stadium. They issued so many statements, and so many of them turned out to be inaccurate, that the front office was ridiculed. You may have heard posters on these boards jokingly refer to something happening in "60 to 90 days". Many fans of this team wished the front office would speak less.

Now, we seem to have swung the other way, with a front office that doesn't issue a statement every time some 14 year old on Big Soccer cries about the stadium not being built yet. Maybe RBNY isn't talking because, right now, there's not a whole to talk about. Just a thought.

Great. PN is using the "Logic" angle. Now even more people won't be listening, not because PN is incorrect, he's 100% right.

Sad how we've come full-circle and still people are bitching.

[Thomas A Fina]

The difference here being that most of the people bitching are not Red Bull fans.(Or perhaps I should say the biggest bitcher of the bunch isn't)

[metroflip73]

The difference here being that most of the people bitching are not Red Bull fans.(Or perhaps I should say the biggest bitcher of the bunch isn't)

noted.

[NYC_COSMOS]

The difference here being that most of the people bitching are not Red Bull fans.(Or perhaps I should say the biggest bitcher of the bunch isn't)


Actually thats sad to say the least. Someone that isnt even a fan is bitching more loudly about the conditions regarding RB PARK. Shouldnt it be the other way around? Shouldnt the ESC come in and wave flags asking for answers? Shouldnt they stage some sort of protest at home games in disapproval of the FRONT OFFICE'S non disclosure policy? You guys, the fans, are the ones that help keep the team afloat. Don't you deserve at the VERY LEAST A LIVE WEBCAM?

[jamison]

Actually thats sad to say the least. Someone that isnt even a fan is bitching more loudly about the conditions regarding RB PARK. Shouldnt it be the other way around? Shouldnt the ESC come in and wave flags asking for answers? Shouldnt they stage some sort of protest at home games in disapproval of the FRONT OFFICE'S non disclosure policy? You guys, the fans, are the ones that help keep the team afloat. Don't you deserve at the VERY LEAST A LIVE WEBCAM?

First of all, until you are in the ESC, telling it's members what you think they should do so that you can get information you claim to want is pretty arrogant. Petulant as well, but I'll stick with arrogant for now.

Furthermore, I don't give a damn about what you think "we" deserve. Telling us here, like you're doing us a favor, is patronizing. Is everyone happy about the progress? No. Should we have more information? Sure. Do we need you to tell us this, to come here and berate us for not getting more from them, to criticize us for not protesting to get information? "Hells no."

Second...this disapproval is based on your assumptions that the stadium isn't getting built. A guy posts pictures of it getting built taken all of a week ago, yet you still want "updates" and "news" and "confirmations" to satisfy your curiosity. Where the EFF is it written that anyone here, fan or otherwise, is required to satisfy your curiosity? You aren't even a fan of the team? "Well, I got the ESC/NY fans/etc to throw it's toys out of the stroller, so, mission accomplished". :rolleyes:

This deal has been in the works for 7 years. 7. We've been sitting here, waiting for it, this entire time. Bulldozers are moving. Trucks are moving. Dirt is moving. But, there isn't a live web cam that you can see from the comfort of your office chair, so, time to go back to the internet to rile everyone up.

Let's make a deal.

The phone number for the front office is (201) 583-7000. If you want your curiosity satisfied to badly, call that number tomorrow, tell them that you are interested in buying tickets, and that you'd like an update on the stadium. Then, post their reply here. First name (only) of the person you spoke to, time of call, what they said.

You have 24 hours. Should be plenty of time, considering how many posts you put on this board each day.

You can make a minute (as in small) effort, call them, and then we'll know that your desire to know these answers is legit.

Or, you can do nothing, and we'll all know exactly how full of it you are.

It's not to get you. It's to raise awareness of the fans and to create pressure on the front office to offer more information.

Right. I think we're all sure it's keeping you up at night. Are you on a NY Giants board telling them that their stadium isn't happening either? Because, there's no web cam on the work site (http://www.nynjfootball.com/giants/), so it must not exist either.

Seems to me the solution is to be transparent and deliver factual information. Crazy, I know. It would never work.

Cause MLS has done that, ever. :D

[GIO17]

Well said Jamison. It's easier for him to say all these things because he knows his club has been well supported thru the years. Our club has had a high, to a low & now a resurgence. We don't need him to inform us how to support, or to demand answers for the news of the stadium. If he thinks the stadium construction is dead, then he should just keep it to himself.

He should just stop wasting our time with his posts and thrad starters. No matter what he says about good intentions of conversation & debate, he is always looking to start trouble.

Especially when I forced him to take pictures of the area around Shea. Where there use to be rotting L.I.R.R. train cars in that swamp area behind the stadium. :D

[NYC_COSMOS]

Well said Jamison. It's easier for him to say all these things because he knows his club has been well supported thru the years. Our club has had a high, to a low & now a resurgence. We don't need him to inform us how to support, or to demand answers for the news of the stadium. If he thinks the stadium construction is dead, then he should just keep it to himself.

He should just stop wasting our time with his posts and thrad starters. No matter what he says about good intentions of conversation & debate, he is always looking to start trouble.

Especially when I forced him to take pictures of the area around Shea. Where there use to be rotting L.I.R.R. train cars in that swamp area behind the stadium. :D


Sweetie

I took pictures of the stadium near Shea. I know the people that work in the MTA facility and I know the owners of the businesses in Willets Point. You really dont want to continue with this nonsense about CORONA and rotting trains. PRODUCE PICTURES and then we will talk. In the meantime learn to show more respect. lol That goes for you as well jamison.

COSMOS

[metroflip73]

Sweetie

I took pictures of the stadium near Shea. I know the people that work in the MTA facility and I know the owners of the businesses in Willets Point. You really dont want to continue with this nonsense about CORONA and rotting trains. PRODUCE PICTURES and then we will talk. In the meantime learn to show more respect. lol That goes for you as well jamison.

COSMOS

Why should YOU be shown any respect anyway? You haven't earned it.

[jamison]

I don't need to produce pictures, because I'm not the one questioning it's existence. Someone took pictures of them building it last week. That's sufficient for me. If it's not sufficient for you, where's the photographic evidence of them NOT building it?

Thought so.

[NYC_COSMOS]

I don't need to produce pictures, because I'm not the one questioning it's existence. Someone took pictures of them building it last week. That's sufficient for me. If it's not sufficient for you, where's the photographic evidence of them NOT building it?

Thought so.


I stated my reasons for my beliefs. They are all factual, nothing is made up. You on the other hand:

1. Simply regurgitate what the Front Office dictates to you.
2. Hate on anyone that doesn't believe what you believe in
3. Censors content because you can.

[NYC_COSMOS]

First of all, until you are in the ESC, telling it's members what you think they should do so that you can get information you claim to want is pretty arrogant. Petulant as well, but I'll stick with arrogant for now.

You can call me anything you want. Its not going to bother me but you still haven’t accepted that the Front Office lies to you. Ok so then Ill come down to the ESC and Ill still have the same opinion. What has changed?

Furthermore, I don't give a damn about what you think "we" deserve. Telling us here, like you're doing us a favor, is patronizing. Is everyone happy about the progress? No. Should we have more information? Sure.

Finally you admit it. Once in your life you admit something. There is a god!

Do we need you to tell us this, to come here and berate us for not getting more from them, to criticize us for not protesting to get information? "Hells no."

I’ve not berated anyone who hasn’t insulted me first. I didn’t start any thread with “hey you eefffing morons, why hasn’t someone asked the FO about the stadium, hey you idiots don’t you seeing you are being efffing lied to?” NO I DIDN’T! I came on and asked questions, hoping that someone would post back an educated and sincere answer. What I got in return were repeated insults and immature responses. Also I started to be censored by yours truly via thread closing. Which is btw against TOS.

Second...this disapproval is based on your assumptions that the stadium isn't getting built.

You assume I think that. I NEVER SAID its not being built! I cant believe I have to answer this nonsense over and over. This just proves to me that you people just look to hurl insults and attacks as opposed to really conversing like adults.

Ive always stated that I believe that answers should be given. I never said that RB PARK isn’t going to be built. I did mention my opinion that maybe the METRO BULLS might have worked out a deal with the Giants but never did I mention that the park wasn’t going to be built. I’m starting to believe that your reactions to my posts are really just reactions of anger towards the FO for lack of information and lack of interactivity with the fans regarding the stadium project. Maybe if you channeled this very same energy at them instead of me, something might come of it.

A guy posts pictures of it getting built taken all of a week ago, yet you still want "updates" and "news" and "confirmations" to satisfy your curiosity. Where the EFF is it written that anyone here, fan or otherwise, is required to satisfy your curiosity? You aren't even a fan of the team? "Well, I got the ESC/NY fans/etc to throw it's toys out of the stroller, so, mission accomplished". [/quote]

This deal has been in the works for 7 years. 7. We've been sitting here, waiting for it, this entire time. Bulldozers are moving. Trucks are moving. Dirt is moving. But, there isn't a live web cam that you can see from the comfort of your office chair, so, time to go back to the internet to rile everyone up.
You rile yourself up. I not on here to rile anyone up. If you are riled up its because you feel something is wrong. You feel that there is a problem with the stadium project. You don’t like that other sites are moving along faster and in shorter time yet you are still there game after game shouting away. You feel disrespected.


The phone number for the front office is (201) 583-7000. If you want your curiosity satisfied to badly, call that number tomorrow, tell them that you are interested in buying tickets, and that you'd like an update on the stadium. Then, post their reply here. First name (only) of the person you spoke to, time of call, what they said.

Why? Are you going to pick up the phone and give me the party line? Lol Please. I can call Roger anytime I want and hear BS. If in fact he even knows anything.

Right. I think we're all sure it's keeping you up at night. Are you on a NY Giants board telling them that their stadium isn't happening either? Because, there's no web cam on the work site (http://www.nynjfootball.com/giants/), so it must not exist either.

No, but there is a major construction project going on in the parking lot of Giants Stadium. They are building a train line into the Meadowlands. I can see progress everyday. Damn the parking lot project broke ground last year and they have seen more progress than RB PARK.

Now I ask want to make a deal with you. Why don’t you initiate a sticky thread that you can vote on and ask:

Do you feel that something is wrong with the RB PARK? GO FOR IT and then you will see what people feel. Let it run for two weeks. I DARE YOU!

[NYC_COSMOS]

I liked how you hijacked my thread and changed it to suit your needs. I think that the power is getting to you! lol

[centrejack]

One Question for Cosmos -

WHY DO YOU CARE?

[NYC_COSMOS]

Why do I care about what? If it's the stadium that you are referring to, Ive already answered that question. Scroll up or down and you might find it. If I find it Ill repost ok.

[Jay Goppingen]

NYC Cosmos... Dude, it's obvious that you're the one getting riled up.

Who's the one repeating himself using "class dismissed", "lol", exclamation points, ALL CAPS, and starting a million threads just to hear your own verbal diarrhea?

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd294/jaygoppingen/13086218.gif

[Prazan]

Moderators -

How long do you intend to allow this to go on? He is a troll. He only posts here to trash the team (which he admits he does not support) and to piss people off. There is no point in presenting arguments to him since he is only here to cause trouble. And he is now doing it in almost every thread on this board. And you are allowing it.

There is a reason that you are given the power to issue cards on this board. It is precisely to stop trolls like this from coming here to disrupt everything. There is no other board on all of BigSoccer which would allow this. Why do we have to put up with this?

The worst part is that you must know that you will eventually have to do it. When will that be? Will you allow him to disrupt this entire board for another week? Another month? Into the offseason? Do you want every thread to become a flamewar as the rest of us hurl insults at him? Fine, we can do that. If that is what it takes to bring this to a head and make you realize that this cannot go on, then so be it. And advising people to add him to an ignore list is not an answer. Many will not do that which means we will still see the results of his trolling in every damned thread.

I actually find myself envying DC United fans, since their board is still usable, unlike ours. And yes, I feel disgusted that I have written that.

[NYC_COSMOS]

Moderators -

How long do you intend to allow this to go on? He is a troll. He only posts here to trash the team (which he admits he does not support) and to piss people off. There is no point in presenting arguments to him since he is only here to cause trouble. And he is now doing it in almost every thread on this board. And you are allowing it.

There is a reason that you are given the power to issue cards on this board. It is precisely to stop trolls like this from coming here to disrupt everything. There is no other board on all of BigSoccer which would allow this. Why do we have to put up with this?

The worst part is that you must know that you will eventually have to do it. When will that be? Will you allow him to disrupt this entire board for another week? Another month? Into the offseason? Do you want every thread to become a flamewar as the rest of us hurl insults at him? Fine, we can do that. If that is what it takes to bring this to a head and make you realize that this cannot go on, then so be it. And advising people to add him to an ignore list is not an answer. Many will not do that which means we will still see the results of his trolling in every damned thread.

I actually find myself envying DC United fans, since their board is still usable, unlike ours. And yes, I feel disgusted that I have written that.


Basically what you are saying is that I can only post on these board if we share the same opinion. The minute that I differ in opinion I must be dealt with. I'm sorry but thats not how this works. I'm completely entitled to my opinion and you are as well. I'm not on here to troll but and in one instance I even asked to be moved off topic so as not to bother the "other posters" and not confuse them with my thread. So please get off your high horse about trolling its getting rather tired.

What I have noticed here is that when the more entrenched members dont like what is being talked about they immediately start with the insults and the trolling comments. Maybe you are just too used to lashing out at people at will and without need. I'm not going to let you do that to me. I WILL respond. I dont insult people at will and for my pleasure. But I do respond to people that have hurled insults and mean spirited comments. IF you cant converse like an adult and accept opposing opinions then maybe the red card should go to you instead.

[viper]

Moderators -

How long do you intend to allow this to go on? He is a troll.

If no one responded to his posts, he would eventually go away. I've been itching to respond myself, but I won't do it again. Let's just concentrate on supporting our team and not pay any attention to the trolls.

[Thomas A Fina]

You can call me anything you want. Its not going to bother me but you still haven’t accepted that the Front Office lies to you. ?

No they haven't. They've been silent alot of the time. But they've been pretty forthcoming. What we know about the sitch is that because there was giant slabs of concrete in the foundation and toxic waste on the site that were not known about, the stadium wouldn't be completed until 2009. They sent that out to every season ticket holder and the information was pretty available if you cared to look. You think they're sitting around here drinking Perrier toasting themselves for hoodwinking the Red Bull fan base? You don't think they're every bit as frustrated at the delays so far as we are? You think they enjoy handing over sacks of money to the NJSEA for little return? You think they don't hate Nick Sack too for lying his ********ing ass off all these years and being the mother********ing incompetent bastard we all despise?

Once they can start laying the foundations and stuff, it'll go pretty quickly. None of the other sites you mentioned had this problem so they can go on much quicker. If we're still having this same discussion next year, then we have a problem.

I’ve not berated anyone who hasn’t insulted me first. I didn’t start any thread with “hey you eefffing morons, why hasn’t someone asked the FO about the stadium, hey you idiots don’t you seeing you are being efffing lied to?” NO I DIDN’T! I came on and asked questions, hoping that someone would post back an educated and sincere answer. What I got in return were repeated insults and immature responses. Also I started to be censored by yours truly via thread closing. Which is btw against TOS.

Nothing a mod does with regard to his domain is against TOS. "The language of San Marcos, is now Swedish...". :D. But really, trying to keep some semblence of order and closing a good thread spiraling out of control so we can try again is not abuse

You assume I think that. I NEVER SAID its not being built! I cant believe I have to answer this nonsense over and over. This just proves to me that you people just look to hurl insults and attacks as opposed to really conversing like adults.

O RLY? (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12700501&postcount=18)

pay attention to the last two sentences. Not trying to stir the pot or nothing

and yeah, the fact that you are a Cosmos fan plays into it, possibly unfairly, but it is what it is. Really, I have been very tolerant of this because to me, the Cosmos and people like you and wanderingsoccerdog are kind of the 800 pound gorilla for this franchise, especially where attendance is concerned.

Now? Why on earth should I treat you, or any other of those fans that post here like anything other than DC or Chicago fans who happen to live in the area. I would have banned a DC fan a long time ago.


Why? Are you going to pick up the phone and give me the party line? Lol Please. I can call Roger anytime I want and hear BS. If in fact he even knows anything.

See? You have already prejudged. Why are you continuing this conversation? I am at least willing to give the current RBFO the rope to hang themselves. We tried the we hate the FO tack already, only made them bigger bitches out to destroy the ESC.



You know, come to think of it, we pretty well explained exactly what was going on and yet you are still bleating on in various threads. Consider this a very very public warning. Stop this nonsense now, contribute constructively, or you can enjoy your forum ban