OK, just who the heck is suspended?

[greenie]

According to the MLSnet Discipline Report:
http://www.mlsnet.com/library/2001/cards.html

Pablo is suspended for this weekend due to picking up 11 caution points in 3 straight games.

It also lists the following under the header of "Warning Report:"

Robin Fraser - Colorado Rapids
21 caution pts

Wes Hart - Colorado Rapids
11 pts in three games

Pablo Mastroeni - Colorado Rapids
21 caution pts

Jeff Stewart - Colorado Rapids
21 caution pts


Now, I'm confused. If Wes Hart also got 11 points in 3 games, why is he not listed as being suspended for week 20 like Pablo?

The rules also state that accumulating 21 caution points means a one-game suspension and a fine. When does that kick into gear for Fraser, Mastroeni and Stewart?

So very confused.

[Quiz_Ball]

Only Pablo is suspended - as shown on the Discipline Report.

What comes under the "Warning Report" is kind of like a "what if" scenario. What it means is that those players listed are on a "warning" because if they get a caution in their next game, what you see listed there would be there situation. In other words, if Faser or Stewart get a yellow this week, they will go to 21 pts and will miss the next game. If Hart gets a yellow, it will be his third in consecutive games, so he'll miss next week. Also Pablo - even though he is suspended from tomorrows game, thats for three yellows in consecutive games. That DOES NOT wipe out his pts, so if he gets a yellow in his next game, he will be on 21 pts and get ANOTHER suspension.

Betcha your sorry you askd????

[greenie]

No, not sorry I asked. Thank you for the informative response. Explaining that "warning" was actually "what if" makes sense. If only MLSnet would explain it as well.

Next question: are all of these players guaranteed to go to 21 points with any kind of caution? Aren't yellows assigned a range from 3 to 5 points based on the nature of the infraction?

Is it then therefore safe to assume that nobody else on the Rapids has more than 15 points?

[Quiz_Ball]

Cautions can be worth 2-4 points, but the vast majority are 4.

I believe I read (long time ago) that "warning report" is based on getting a caution worth 4 points. So, if you have 17 or more points, you are on the list. Of course this means that someone could technically be on 17 pts, appear on this report, then get a (rare) 2 point caution and not be suspended. But, it is only a warning and doesnt mean anything until you actually hit the 21-point mark.

[The Legend]

How can it be Hart's 3rd yellow in consecutive games when he sat out the last game with a suspension??

[Quiz_Ball]

Originally posted by The Legend
How can it be Hart's 3rd yellow in consecutive games when he sat out the last game with a suspension??

Because he really sat out the last game because of a "red card"!!! In that previous game (at NE) he was one of the people assessed a "administrative caution" by the league for the mass dissent when NE were given a PK. The point was though - he had already been cautioned in that same game, so when the league gave him another caution in the same game it was as if he had got a red card !! So he had to sit the next game (against Dallas) for the red card. But that is a separate suspension - the fact that he got a yellow (actually two) in the NE game, plus one in the previous one (@Columbus) means that if he gets one tomorrow that wil be his 3rd consecutive game, and will be another caution. That suspension (3 in 3) is counted seaparately from any reds etc.

[The Legend]

At least no one can fault our guys for not playing in the "Black and Blue" style this year...

[smudgeyjoe]

This all seems to be way overdone. I'm curious what players think of this system. If it prevents extreme and dangerous fouls, then I can understand. Otherwise, it seems to be much too constraining. If I was a player, I would be afraid to take any risks when attacking the ball, for fear that a referee might take offense. When I watch FSWD, and see matches from all over the world, I don't see as many of the nit picky kind of fouls I see in the MLS. For a league that is trying to legitimize it's product, it seems a poor way to attract fans. I don't recall such a problem with yellows and suspensions in years past. Is this a new idea??? If it is, I sure don't like it.
Go Raps!!!