Goal Celebrations in Argentina

[StevenGerrardisGod]

I was watching the River- Lanus game today and after Lanus got a goal back in 67 minute it was 2-1 in favor of River. The player ran to the net and grabbed the ball and placed and ran to midfield. The announcer said that this is a no no in argentina. Is there a certain code of conduct you are supposed to follow after you score? I was just wondering why this was and what are some of the other unspoken rules no one does in Argentina.

[BigSoccer Bot]

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[locoxriver]

I was watching the River- Lanus game today and after Lanus got a goal back in 67 minute it was 2-1 in favor of River. The player ran to the net and grabbed the ball and placed and ran to midfield. The announcer said that this is a no no in argentina. Is there a certain code of conduct you are supposed to follow after you score? I was just wondering why this was and what are some of the other unspoken rules no one does in Argentina.

No, no.. that's not what he did. There definitely is nothing wrong with doing that. What Jose Sand (Lanus's goalscorer) did was yell the goal as hard as he could and insulted River Plate's fans. I am assuming that you don't know, but Sand played for River and was given an infinite amount of chances. He always failed to leave a good image (the guy couldn't even score a goal every 20 games :rolleyes:), yet we always had to put up with him. The least he could have done on his first game vs. his former club was not celebrate the goal, atleast not as passionately as he did on Sunday. The guy is not only a failure as a player, but a disrespectful person. A true disaster.

As for your question about "unspoken rules", I really am not aware of any. The only "rule" (which is not really a secret) is to respect your former clubs, especially if they have given you so much.

[argentine soccer fan]

The only "rule" (which is not really a secret) is to respect your former clubs, especially if they have given you so much.

It is a serious breach of conduct to celebrate a goal against a team that you played for, and especially if you're a player that the fans liked. For example Martin Palermo wouldn't celebrate a goal against Estudiantes.

But the fans can be A-holes. I don't know what Datolo did to the fans of Banfield, but they were really disrespectful to him last weekend. Who knows, perhaps he did something to piss them off.

[locoxriver]

But the fans can be A-holes. I don't know what Datolo did to the fans of Banfield, but they were really disrespectful to him last weekend. Who knows, perhaps he did something to piss them off.

According to TyC Sports program Libero, when Datolo arrived at Boca he had said something like "I had been waiting for a moment like this for a long time now". The Banfield fans interpreted it as if he meant that he was just using Banfield as a stepping stone to get to a bigger club. I don't know if this story is the real reason for Banfield's fan's anger, but if it is, it really is a stupidity.

[vipnerd]

No, no.. that's not what he did. There definitely is nothing wrong with doing that. What Jose Sand (Lanus's goalscorer) did was yell the goal as hard as he could and insulted River Plate's fans. I am assuming that you don't know, but Sand played for River and was given an infinite amount of chances. He always failed to leave a good image (the guy couldn't even score a goal every 20 games :rolleyes:), yet we always had to put up with him. The least he could have done on his first game vs. his former club was not celebrate the goal, atleast not as passionately as he did on Sunday. The guy is not only a failure as a player, but a disrespectful person. A true disaster.

As for your question about "unspoken rules", I really am not aware of any. The only "rule" (which is not really a secret) is to respect your former clubs, especially if they have given you so much.



I guess that if you are the record goalscorer in history at youth level at River ... and then there is a policy of bringing players from other clubs, where intermediaries and "investors" have interests ... and there are coaches that have some sort of relation with those investors ... and basically ruin the career of a youngster by playing those "investor's" players as a way to re-value them ... you add to that uncalled for whistles and insults to a young ex-player while he is warming prior to the game ... adding to phone calls with threats before the game ... well I guess he has EVERY RIGHT to shout a goal and to do a "Topo Gigio". Where is the insult? Are you kidding me? One thing is that it hurts you ... a different story is to insult. Perhaps Ortega did insult when he asked for you guys to wake up and pay his transfer ...

He certainly could had avoided it. But he chose to shout the goal for the team that not only pays his salary but that beliefs in him ... by default this could also mean he dedicated the goal to all those morons that never gave him the confidence. From the dirigentes, to coaches, to fans that constantly booed him and threw his moral to the floor while at his ex-club. If he is an ex-player, that gave it all but missed a few goal chances ... what is the logic to keep getting at him now?

There have been plenty of interviews this week regarding all of the above. And Sand refused to say what he knows happened inside the club that affected his stay. Re-read my first paragraph for some clues.

PS: Not that I care about him or his situation. But fair is fair in life.


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[locoxriver]

I guess that if you are the record goalscorer in history at youth level at River ... and then there is a policy of bringing players from other clubs, where intermediaries and "investors" have interests ... and there are coaches that have some sort of relation with those investors ... and basically ruin the career of a youngster by playing those "investor's" players as a way to re-value them ... you add to that uncalled for whistles and insults to a young ex-player while he is warming prior to the game ... adding to phone calls with threats before the game ... well I guess he has EVERY RIGHT to shout a goal and to do a "Topo Gigio". Where is the insult? Are you kidding me? One thing is that it hurts you ... a different story is to insult. Perhaps Ortega did insult when he asked for you guys to wake up and pay his transfer ...

He certainly could had avoided it. But he chose to shout the goal for the team that not only pays his salary but that beliefs in him ... by default this could also mean he dedicated the goal to all those morons that never gave him the confidence. From the dirigentes, to coaches, to fans that constantly booed him and threw his moral to the floor while at his ex-club. If he is an ex-player, that gave it all but missed a few goal chances ... what is the logic to keep getting at him now?

There have been plenty of interviews this week regarding all of the above. And Sand refused to say what he knows happened inside the club that affected his stay. Re-read my first paragraph for some clues.

PS: Not that I care about him or his situation. But fair is fair in life.


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Are you kidding me? Don't say shit cuz you are not a River fan. You did not have to put up with him. If anybody received opportunities, it was Jose Sand. Or did he not play a whole bunch of games during Astrada's era (including important matches in the Libertadores and the Superclasico vs. Boca)? I understood Federico Higuain's actions a lot more: the guy never got a chance, and proved himself plenty of times in Nueva Chicago. But Sand received chance after chance after chance, yet he ALWAYS sucked.

Vip, no hables por hablar.

[vipnerd]

Are you kidding me? Don't say shit cuz you are not a River fan. You did not have to put up with him. If anybody received opportunities, it was Jose Sand. Or did he not play a whole bunch of games during Astrada's era (including important matches in the Libertadores and the Superclasico vs. Boca)? I understood Federico Higuain's actions a lot more: the guy never got a chance, and proved himself plenty of times in Nueva Chicago. But Sand received chance after chance after chance, yet he ALWAYS sucked.

Vip, no hables por hablar.


You guys boo him and insult him and you expect him to be grateful? :confused: Why not just leave the guy alone? He wasn't the first crossing the line ... if he did by celebrating his goal.

I imagine you heard his interviews on Monday ... I am not his lawyer, simply presenting the other side. And trust me, I never talk for talking. Got audios from Mitre and La Red were he presented his case. :cool:


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[Dr. Know]

You guys boo him and insult him and you expect him to be grateful?

This is what I don't get. They don't show any respect yet they expect some back? Phuleeze.

I remember when Insua was at Boca he celebrated one of his goals against Independiente. Why not? Everytime he would get booed by the fans. Hell even when he was in Germany there were Independiente fans in the stands giving him shit :rolleyes:.

Palermo's case I understand since he's a big fan of Estudiantes or Veron when he was at Boca he never celebrated his goals against them either.

Not to long ago Marcelo Tejera celebrated alot one of his goals against Boca in the Sudamericana. Who gives a crap.

[elciclon]

This is what I don't get. They don't show any respect yet they expect some back? Phuleeze.

I remember when Insua was at Boca he celebrated one of his goals against Independiente. Why not? Everytime he would get booed by the fans. Hell even when he was in Germany there were Independiente fans in the stands giving him shit :rolleyes:.

Palermo's case I understand since he's a big fan of Estudiantes or Veron when he was at Boca he never celebrated his goals against them either.

Not to long ago Marcelo Tejera celebrated alot one of his goals against Boca in the Sudamericana. Who gives a crap.

insua's case is different. not for the boca thing if he went to river he would get the same. the fact that independiente build him and brought him back from europe where he didnt want to be and then do them dirty like that. thats completely different from sand who always played his heart out for river and then gets booed.

[elbp]

It is a serious breach of conduct to celebrate a goal against a team that you played for, and especially if you're a player that the fans liked. For example Martin Palermo wouldn't celebrate a goal against Estudiantes.

But the fans can be A-holes. I don't know what Datolo did to the fans of Banfield, but they were really disrespectful to him last weekend. Who knows, perhaps he did something to piss them off.

I think either your wording is wrong or you're a mistaken. There is no spoken rule against a player celebrating a goal against his former team. I would even say that there is not even an unspoken rule against this. It just so happens that most players decide to do this, but others do not. That does not make it a rule or a serious breach of conduct. It just shows how the players' attitudes have evolved. In my opinion, not celebrating a goal is just stupid. Just imagine the case of a player who hardly ever scores not celebrating because of this attitude! Utter nonsense. The goal is the climax of football and as such such override any other underlying feeling or emotion. If there is a reason for players not celebrating goals against their former team, is because they are all a bunch of phonies. They just don't want to show their true feelings to the loving fans.

Besides, when a player celebrates a goal, he does so in the team's best interest not defying the fans of his former team or inciting them. I can tell you for example, that if el Gran Luifa Artime, the greatest Belgrano icon and one of the true idols in its right sense in Argentine football, would have celebrated a goal, I wouldn't have hold it against him in the least. And I believe reasonable people should feel the same. Agree with you in that the fan are arse.holes at times and don't care to think for a second of what the player celebrating a goal has given to their team during his spell at the club.

[locoxriver]

Well, it's not the first time Sand does something like this to an ex-club: he celebrated his goal like crazy vs. Banfield. It was already disrespectful for "el Taladro" when he chose to move to Lanus right after the end of his loan with Banfield.

Not to long ago Marcelo Tejera celebrated alot one of his goals against Boca in the Sudamericana. Who gives a crap.

This is a completely different story. Can you tell me how many matches Tejera played for Boca? We gave Sand sooooo many opportunities, he could atleast respect the club that (like the song says) "put the food on his plate".

The funny thing is that there where actually people clapping for him at the Monumental when he ran onto the field. I am not saying to boo him (although he did play like shit a million times with the River jersey), but he has no reason to be clapped for either.

thats completely different from sand who always played his heart out for river and then gets booed.

hahaha.. Hilarious joke! An instant classic. :)

[elciclon]

listen german herrera sucked for us, and was given a million chances. but he always played his heart out. no insult from me. now ulloa, or walter garcia. they will.

[locoxriver]

listen german herrera sucked for us, and was given a million chances. but he always played his heart out. no insult from me. now ulloa, or walter garcia. they will.

Sand = No game + no heart + no respect. Period.

As for German Herrera, I saw him play for San Lorenzo, and I would have rather had him at River instead of Sand.

[elciclon]

Sand = No game + no heart + no respect. Period.

As for German Herrera, I saw him play for San Lorenzo, and I would have rather had him at River instead of Sand.

there both equally bad, did you see the goal he missed against huracan, someone with no legs could of made that.

[vipnerd]

Well, it's not the first time Sand does something like this to an ex-club: he celebrated his goal like crazy vs. Banfield. It was already disrespectful for "el Taladro" when he chose to move to Lanus right after the end of his loan with Banfield.



This is a completely different story. Can you tell me how many matches Tejera played for Boca? We gave Sand sooooo many opportunities, he could atleast respect the club that (like the song says) "put the food on his plate".

The funny thing is that there where actually people clapping for him at the Monumental when he ran onto the field. I am not saying to boo him (although he did play like shit a million times with the River jersey), but he has no reason to be clapped for either.



hahaha.. Hilarious joke! An instant classic. :)



Locoxriver, I really think you are confusing the "moral" concept.

One thing is to play at a club, and decide to leave to a different one for more $$ or for better sporting issues. That would be the case of Insua. Going from one "big" to another.

A different story is Sand's. You guys didn't like him ... and sold him. With that $$ you were able to pay a loan for 6 months for Sanchez among others things.

Now, if you guys didn't think he was good enuff for River, and sold him, does it give you guys the right to boo/whistle/insult him? In his first visit to el Monumental? (remember he couldn't play agaisnt you guys when on loan :rolleyes: ) If you believe you guys have the right to do so ... well, then he has EVERY RIGHT to celebrate an important goal for the peeps who believed in him and paid his transfer, salaries, bonuses for scoring and for wins.

It is simple man.


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[locoxriver]

Now, if you guys didn't think he was good enuff for River, and sold him, does it give you guys the right to boo/whistle/insult him? In his first visit to el Monumental? (remember he couldn't play agaisnt you guys when on loan :rolleyes: ) If you believe you guys have the right to do so ... well, then he has EVERY RIGHT to celebrate an important goal for the peeps who believed in him and paid his transfer, salaries, bonuses for scoring and for wins.

He was booed by certain people, just like he was applauded by others. There was no major booing/whistling after he celebrated the goal and did the half-Topo Giggio celebration to the River fans (atleast he could have celebrated it with his crowd, not against ours).

You are missing the point: Sand es un amargo, como vos. :D

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/locoxriver/sandamargo.jpg

In all seriousness, though, I am assuming you love Boca.. correct? Now imagine Boca gave a start to your career, and, to top it off, gave you an incredible amount of opportunities to play for the first team (including very important matches). Despite your horrible performances, they ignited your career and showed faith in you. On your first performance for another team vs. Boca, would you go on and celebrate a goal as hard as you can to the home fans? Unless your parents didn't teach you any manners, I am guessing you would not. Well, Sand is in the same situation.

Point understood?

[StevenGerrardisGod]

Wow, Thanks for clearing up the confusion guys! I actually like this rule because it really shows the honor and tradition of the clubs in Argentina. I love watching the Argentine league because I love the way the crowd rushes the fence and screams goooooooooooooooal or ooooooooo everytime they score. I graduate in one year from college and am thinking about moving to Buenos Aires to teach English for a year or two and would love to see a game first hand however while these fans are one of if not THE most passionate supporters in the world, I hear that hooliganism is big problem in Argentina and it is not safe to attend matches anymore especially if your are American(sometimes being American sucks and other times I love it:rolleyes:) . Is this true? I would love to see a River game because they are my favorite team in Apertura and Clausura and experience the passion on a first hand basis. Cheers!

[bosterosoy]

I could have never played for Boca my entire life and be playing on some other team my whole career and even then I am 100% sure I would not celebrate a goal against Boca

[elbp]

I could have never played for Boca my entire life and be playing on some other team my whole career and even then I am 100% sure I would not celebrate a goal against Boca

But you see, that's different. We were talking about players celebrating goals against their former team regardless of whether they are fans or not. I can understand a player not celebrating a goal against a former team if he is a fan of that team. But name 10 guys who are true (and by this I mean a long-standing unchanged and declared loyal following) fans of an Argentine team. Most football players stop being fans when they go pro. They don't care about a team, or their former team, or their former fan team. They just know what they want deep inside them (money, fame, NT, etcetera) and they put on a show by not celebrating, by "poniendose el microfono", by speaking wonders of the club they're in, by kissing their shirt or being nice to their fans. I am not saying all players behave like this, but I think most do.

Anyway, good to hear that the lad who started the thread got some feedback out of the mess and detour the topic took in another classic example of Argies bitching among themselves :D. Hey, I like it, that's part of el gen argentino ;)