Best 50 managers of all time - according to the Times

[johan neeskens]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article2437525.ece

I'm obviously pleased that Michels is on top but I'm sure some of you will disagree.

[zenden]

:eek: Paisley, 6th?:mad:

[The Potter]

Red Nose Ferguson above Clough! Who did he pay?

[Alex_K]

Franz Beckenbauer is the best German manager of all times?

Credibility, meet window.
Window, meet credibility.

[pippomo]

I can't understand how they can make these rankings.
Speaking of Italian coache or foreign coaches that worked in Italy I think they missed the importance of Liedholm, as an innovator in italian football. He was the first who brought back zone playing after years of man to man defending all over the pitch.
Then obviously there is Pozzo: aside from hi victories n two championship he must be credited together with austrian coach Meisl for the invention of the "sistema" ( an evolution of the 2-3-5 played in england in the 90s of XIX century ).
Italy and Austria playing Sistema were in fact the two best european team from the late 20's through all the 30s.
Also I don't see Herbert Chapman who was a great tactician innovator with his wm.

[johan neeskens]

I think it's a bit odd to put Cruyff above Hiddink.

[zenden]

Ferguson and Busby over Shankley and Paisley?:rolleyes:

[pippomo]

I can't understand how they can make these rankings.
Speaking of Italian coache or foreign coaches that worked in Italy I think they missed the importance of Liedholm, as an innovator in italian football. He was the first who brought back zone playing after years of man to man defending all over the pitch.
Then obviously there is Pozzo: aside from hi victories n two championship he must be credited together with austrian coach Meisl for the invention of the "sistema" ( an evolution of the 2-3-5 played in england in the 90s of XIX century ).
Italy and Austria playing Sistema were in fact the two best european team from the late 20's through all the 30s.
Also I don't see Herbert Chapman who was a great tactician innovator with his wm.

hmmm... I think I missed that this is a post war list.
So no Pozzo and Miesl.

[hazy davey]

Neat list.

One guy who comes to mind, who probably deserves to be on the list is Gavril Kachalin, who coached the Soviet Union in the 1950s and 1960s, winning the European Championship in 1960.

[babaorum]

Michel Hidalgo -who coached France between 1976 and 1984 and leaded them to a WC semi-final and to their EC84 triumph- probably deserved to be in this list.

[nekkibasara]

Uhm, Helmut Schoen who (according to their list of accolades) was the most successfull coach on their list is behind Rafa (I haven't won anything) Benitez. Hitzfeld not in the top ten but fergusen is? I guess winning the champions league with 2 different sides means absolutely nothing. Rediculous.

Absolutely no credibility to this list IMHO.

[squidward123]

This list, along with all other lists of any sort from newspapers and magazines have no credibility.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Hitzfeld not in the top ten but fergusen is? I guess winning the champions league with 2 different sides means absolutely nothing. Rediculous.

Absolutely no credibility to this list IMHO.

Tell Hitzfeld to manage Aberdeen and have the same level of success.

[Spartak]

Tell Hitzfeld to manage Aberdeen and have the same level of success.
Tell Ferguson to win the CL with Dortmund.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

With ease.

[SirManchester]

With ease.

To be honest, I think they both belong in the top 10. Each has their own story of success and their resume is quite incredible. No need to seperate them. It's a pretty shoddy list.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

I just love how people first try to dismiss what Ferguson has achieved with Man Utd and then completely ignore what he previously achieved with a club like Aberdeen.

[Twenty26Six]

It's a pretty shoddy list.

But, how can you rank them properly? It's so arbitrary, too many factors to consider.

I think Busby is slightly flattered by his ranking. Top 10, but not top 2.

[SirManchester]

But, how can you rank them properly? It's so arbitrary, too many factors to consider.

I think Busby is slightly flattered by his ranking. Top 10, but not top 2.

Nobody said these lists are easy to make. )The author even goes as far as saying making a top 50 players of all time is easy :rolleyes:) but when you have Benitez ahead of Hitzfeld, or Beckenbauer the best German coach, or even Mourinho at 16, you know something is wrong. There are many factors to consider, no doubt but the aforementioned are just so outrageous (at least to me) that I know it can't be a proper list.

[Catel]

Sacchi only 11th :confused: :confused: :confused: