Best 50 managers of all time - according to the Times

[nekkibasara]

I just love how people first try to dismiss what Ferguson has achieved with Man Utd and then completely ignore what he previously achieved with a club like Aberdeen.

I forgot that everything having to do with ManU is the best no questions asked. It still stands that Hitzfeld is the only manager ever who won the Champions league with 2 different clubs. Dortmund wasn't exactly a great team when he took over. He made them into a great club, and they fell apart after he left.

[SirManchester]

I forgot that everything having to do with ManU is the best no questions asked. It still stands that Hitzfeld is the only manager ever who won the Champions league with 2 different clubs. Dortmund wasn't exactly a great team when he took over. He made them into a great club, and they fell apart after he left.

Actually, Ernst Happel won the European Cup (now the Champions League) with Feyenoord in 1970, and Hamburg thirteen years later.

[Twenty26Six]

Actually, Ernst Happel won the European Cup (now the Champions League) with Feyenoord in 1970, and Hamburg thirteen years later.

And, Happel took Holland to the final of the '78 WC, no? Anything else in his resume?

[lanman]

Anything else in his resume?

He won league titles in four different countries (Belgium, Holland, Germany and Austria).

[Twenty26Six]

He won league titles in four different countries (Belgium, Holland, Germany and Austria).

Impressive.

[dor02]

I can't understand how they can make these rankings.
Speaking of Italian coache or foreign coaches that worked in Italy I think they missed the importance of Liedholm, as an innovator in italian football. He was the first who brought back zone playing after years of man to man defending all over the pitch.
Then obviously there is Pozzo: aside from hi victories n two championship he must be credited together with austrian coach Meisl for the invention of the "sistema" ( an evolution of the 2-3-5 played in england in the 90s of XIX century ).
Italy and Austria playing Sistema were in fact the two best european team from the late 20's through all the 30s.
Also I don't see Herbert Chapman who was a great tactician innovator with his wm.The list has only post-WWII managers.

Sacchi is the highest Italian coach there? I'd rather rate Trap higher. His club pedigree was better and as for the NT, Sacchi stayed longer because of Baggio. If it wasn't for Baggio in 1994, Nigeria would have sent Italy packing. Would have been worse for Andoni Zubizarreta.

Seriously, how are Mourinho, Cryuff, Zagallo and Sacchi better than Lippi? As for Sir Alex, I don't think he is great enough for third spot. Only one CL and he did shit with Scotland in 1986.

[nekkibasara]

Actually, Ernst Happel won the European Cup (now the Champions League) with Feyenoord in 1970, and Hamburg thirteen years later.

Thats why I said Champions League.

It still stands that Hitzfeld is the only manager ever who won the Champions league with 2 different clubs.

But I would definately rate Hoppel really high on that list, he had an amazing career.

[squidward123]

the funny thing is, when english or english affiliated papers or magazines make these lists, as JN has posted many of in this forum, germany teams, players and coaches are nowhere near the top.

World Soccer's top 20 teams didn't have a single germany side. Not even the teams from 1966-76.

This list had schoen near the end, whilst even listing his record with the NT.

Players don't get a mention in lists apart from beckenbauer.

So what explains the NT achievements? luck? :D

[ForeverRed]

Hahaha....what a ridiculous list.

[URTheBoss]

Cloughy at 7? A well deserved high ranking for ol' Big Head.