an apology to sir alex over our defensive tactics

[tuseef]

Originally posted by Motterman


Yeah, only because they travel to better places to nick things now...

like where exactly?

care to give any examples?

hmm...well?

[tuseef]

Originally posted by benine



And the people of Saint Helens and Stockport would like to thank the scousers for the extra traffic and buisness, but offer a simple reminder: door knobs and flatware are not to be used at petrol stations in lue of cash. thanks. ;)

Stockport????

LOL u dont know wot your talking about

as a scouser working in mancland..i've been to Stockport a few times...and believe me....you wouldnt need to invite the scousers to generate extra traffic there

the mancunians seem to be doing a fine job ;)

[tuseef]

Originally posted by DevilDave
An apology letter for boring football???

uh oh...

Hmm... we're new here in the Premiership (West Brom) and will have to learn the proper etiquette as we haven't been in the top flight in a while.

Will the Baggies have to send Fergie a letter of apology after our Darren Moore sits on Paul Scholes Saturday at Old Trafford? :D

yeah you better start practising

cos after you beat them at old trafford...fergies gone blame anything he can - the pitch, the ref, the weather, the current economic decline in singapore....you name it ;)

[tuseef]

Originally posted by Random
in the face of so many better-paid, and frankly tabloid-fellated, prawns.

you talking about the sun newspaper again? ;)

[tuseef]

Originally posted by TravisMinor_23
Manchester not only paid for him as a player, they payed for him as a marketing tool.

exactly

this is not man utd FC we are talking about...this is manchester united PLC

[sydtheeagle]

Look mate, people like me who support the Palace can take the piss out of ManUre because, well, what difference does it make? But people like you, on the other hand, who think you're as big/good/successful as ManUre are but are in fact quite plainly not (show us your Premiership titles, please) ought to be careful when words like "glass houses" and "stones" threaten to come into the sentence. Houllier talks a big game and is probably just about fit to carry Ferguson's jock strap. For now, that's all. What next...you'll be telling me Liverpool have won the Worthington Cup. Oh, sorry, I forgot. Indeed they have. Now there's success for you.

[tuseef]

Originally posted by Matt Clark
[i]Bet you don't know the way from the M62 to Salford Quays ...

salford quays?

lol...that going a bit too far

how about actually telling them wot the M62 is for starters

by the way, the M62 its a motorway..sorry i mean "freeway" ;)

[tuseef]

Originally posted by sydtheeagle
Look mate, people like me who support the Palace can take the piss out of ManUre because, well, what difference does it make? But people like you, on the other hand, who think you're as big/good/successful as ManUre are but are in fact quite plainly not (show us your Premiership titles, please) ought to be careful when words like "glass houses" and "stones" threaten to come into the sentence. Houllier talks a big game and is probably just about fit to carry Ferguson's jock strap. For now, that's all. What next...you'll be telling me Liverpool have won the Worthington Cup. Oh, sorry, I forgot. Indeed they have. Now there's success for you.

if your a palace fan..whats this got to do with you?

your not a palace fan at all...you song like a closet man yoo fan

stop licky licky brown nosing manchester united and alex ferguson

your another typical example of a person who has been brainwashed by the success of man utd in the 90's and the propaganda that alex ferguson has been feeding you

for YOUR information...Liverpool FC ARE a bigger club than Manchester United...we have 18 league championships to our name..as well as 4 european cups..until Man Utd eclipse that record, then your claims that man utd are "bigger" than us is baseless

another thing (which may shock you) is that football did exist before 1993 and that there was indeed a league title to contend before the premiership was introduced

you seem very upset at our worthington cup triumph...anything to do with the fact that we hammered you 5-0 at home in the semi final? (a game i had the pleasure to see)

now, off to bed please

[NNCRed]

Originally posted by tuseef
Liverpool FC ARE a bigger club than Manchester United

Correction, Liverpool WERE a bigger club than United.

[sydtheeagle]

Originally posted by tuseef


another thing (which may shock you) is that football did exist before 1993 and that there was indeed a league title to contend before the premiership was introduced

you seem very upset at our worthington cup triumph...anything to do with the fact that we hammered you 5-0 at home in the semi final? (a game i had the pleasure to see)

now, off to bed please

Twat. The night before last, sitting in Selhurst Park, I celebrated the 33rd anniversary of my first game as a Palace season ticket holder, so I think I know (and probably a little more than you) about football before 1993. Enough to know a good team when I see one, and enough to know what makes a "big" team, too. And honest enough to state the obvious, whether I like ManUre or not (which, for the record, I don't.)

Upset about 0-5. Do the words 4 and 3 mean anything to you?

[Matt Clark]

Nah, those seem to have slipped my mind. The words "nine" and "nill" still have a certain resonance though. ;)

[sydtheeagle]

Originally posted by Matt Clark
Nah, those seem to have slipped my mind. The words "nine" and "nill" still have a certain resonance though. ;)

Actually, the 0-5 is one of my favourite memories (which just goes to show how much Tuseef actually understands about football (and that's the case partly because of the legendary 0-9 and the 4-3). When we went 4-0 down, we were all singing "We're going to beat you 5-4" and all the Scousers turned around and started applauding us! Magic. A great moment at Anfield, that.

And now, Matt, we're going to have to stop talking because, as Tuseef says, Palace aren't in the Premiership so I have no right to express an opinion among the big boys. LOL.

[Matt Clark]

Yeah, I was at that game, it was a good 'un. Clinton Morrison's ill-advised comments about Micheal Owen's chances in the first leg were a bit of spur for the crowd and the Palace fans also more than did their bit. Morrison's air-shot from three yards out midway through the second half, right in front of the Kop, was a beautoiful moment. I have since seen his expression close-up in the TV replays - and "rueful" doesn't even BEGIN to cover it. :D

The Palace fans did leave a great impression behind that night. I'll never forget the fact that they were all singing "Na-na-naa, na-na-naa PAL-LACE" for 20 minutes straight at the end, not even pausing for breath as Blobby put the fifth and final nail in their coffin.

Good match, that.

[tuseef]

Originally posted by sydtheeagle
Upset about 0-5. Do the words 4 and 3 mean anything to you?

not really....maybe something to do the fact they are numbers not words ;)

so your a season ticket holder for 33 years?!!!

well if you are, then i commend you on your support for palace...but even you should remember that liverpool have won 18 league titles...just becos we didnt win the "premiership" it doesnt mean im going to brush off those achievements does it?

we havent won the champions league either....does that mean the 4 european cups that guys like shankly, paisley and fagan worked so hard to achieve mean nothing to you as well?

and for your information...i still regard lfc as bigger than man utd....and just to prove it i will STILL take the piss out of them even when we dominate the next decade

how about that?

[tuseef]

and the fact that you think Houllier is only worthy of "carrying fergusons jockstrap" shows how little you know about football

houllier has given his all for this club...even to the point where it almost cost him his life

have some respect...even the man yoo fans wouldnt go that far

[Motterman]

Originally posted by tuseef
and the fact that you think Houllier is only worthy of "carrying fergusons jockstrap" shows how little you know about football

houllier has given his all for this club...even to the point where it almost cost him his life

have some respect...even the man yoo fans wouldnt go that far

True, but Houllier has not won a Champions League trophy or a League Championship either.

[tuseef]

Originally posted by Motterman


True, but Houllier has not won a Champions League trophy or a League Championship either.

I honestly believe (dont laugh) that within the next 2/3 seasons Houllier will bring us the title

as for champions league...i still think we are (minimum) 5 years away from achieving that....and if we are to do that we must topple the madrids and munichs of this world (tough proposition)

[LiverpoolFanatic]

Originally posted by Motterman


True, but Houllier has not won a Champions League trophy or a League Championship either.


He's come a long friggin' way in his time at the club though. I dare say he'll win it at least once before he leaves management behind him.

And as to the Boring, boring, Liverpool crap. I bet Leciester, Derby, and Ippo supporters wished their teams were as boring as Liverpool.

[sydtheeagle]

Originally posted by tuseef


not really....maybe something to do the fact they are numbers not words ;)

so your a season ticket holder for 33 years?!!!

well if you are, then i commend you on your support for palace...but even you should remember that liverpool have won 18 league titles...just becos we didnt win the "premiership" it doesnt mean im going to brush off those achievements does it?

we havent won the champions league either....does that mean the 4 european cups that guys like shankly, paisley and fagan worked so hard to achieve mean nothing to you as well?

and for your information...i still regard lfc as bigger than man utd....and just to prove it i will STILL take the piss out of them even when we dominate the next decade

how about that?

About Houllier first, I agree that the phrasing I used ("couldn't carry Fergie's jock strap") was probably over the top. However, as a successful manager I think the point, in its broadest sense, does stand. Whether I like Fergie or not -- and frankly, I don't -- he is streets ahead of any other manager (Wenger excepted, but not Houllier) in the game today by any measure you can think of (with the possible exception of human decency, in which Houllier is streets ahead of him).

I also think your comment about Houllier "almost giving his life" for Liverpool is equally over the top. Lots of us have stressful jobs. Some of us have medical conditions that impair heart function. When the two correspond, bad things happen. They happen to people who love their jobs (like Houllier) and they happen to people who hate them. It may well be that the stress of Houllier's job brought on the heart attack, but it does not follow from that that Houllier almost gave his life for Liverpool. You might surmise the reverse, that Liverpool almost killed Houllier in spite of all he's done for them, and if you did you'd be equally wrong there, too. Houllier is a hard working man with a weak heart who had a medical problem, period. Those facts tell us nothing about his love for his job (or not, as the case may be).

Just to be clear (about me), I had my first season ticket at Palace in season 1969 -- 1970 and held one every year until the late 1980's, when I lived in the States for a few years. I returned in 1994 and have had a season ticket since. During my time in the States, I came back twice a season and saw around three matches on each trip (not including reserve games). You should commend me for that (LOL)...can you imagine going all those years for the Zenith Cup as your highlight!

I'm obviously not going to belittle the Shankly, Paisley, Fagan and (you didn't mention) Dalglish years. I saw their teams and I know how good they were. Among the very greatest, (if not THE greatest) sides the British game has known. But Liverpool (or any other team) could win the championship ad infinitum and ad nauseam and they would probably never be bigger than Manchester United. Liverpool operate as a giant in the British game and a big name on the world stage. Manchester United, for reasons which have only partially to do with performance on the pitch (which is why other sides cannot compete for the title "biggest"), are simply in another league.

By all means regard Liverpool as bigger than ManUre if you want to. You'd be wrong to do so (and I suspect you know it as well), but if it makes you happy, so be it. And certainly, take the piss out of them. I do it myself and hell, I support Palace. It's probably far more annoying for someone who follows a great team like Liverpool to have to deal with United's "bigness" than it is for someone who follows Palace (because we don't even try to compete with them in real sense). But the simple fact, United are the biggest. The consolation, of course, is that we don't have to believe that the biggest has to be the best.

[Matt Clark]

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

I also think your comment about Houllier "almost giving his life" for Liverpool is equally over the top. Lots of us have stressful jobs. Some of us have medical conditions that impair heart function. When the two correspond, bad things happen. They happen to people who love their jobs (like Houllier) and they happen to people who hate them. It may well be that the stress of Houllier's job brought on the heart attack, but it does not follow from that that Houllier almost gave his life for Liverpool. You might surmise the reverse, that Liverpool almost killed Houllier in spite of all he's done for them, and if you did you'd be equally wrong there, too. Houllier is a hard working man with a weak heart who had a medical problem, period. Those facts tell us nothing about his love for his job (or not, as the case may be).

Entirely true in and of itself, but if I can add a little perspective on the issue from a Q & A with Houllier that I attended at the OSC meeting at Anfield the other night, he did actually say that his return for the Roma game last season was against his doctor's advise and something he did because he knew it would give team and - crucially - crowd a massive lift in what, to him, was the most important game the club had played under him. He added that the decision, healthwise, had been a mistake and that, in the final weeks of the season he was utterly exhausted, but could not show it for fear of an adverse effect upon his side's continuing say in the title race.