9/9 US vs. Brazil - the Referee - Post Game Discussion [R]

[Knave]

I think we're gonna need this thread too.

[Kevin8833]

There needs to be a change in philosophy, if that means firing bradley ok, if he can change himself fine but I am sick of the bunker and counter game, we proved in the first 20 minutes and the last 20 minutes along with the majority of the argentina game that when we force our game to the other team we can play right with anyone. I thought we looked pretty good the majority of the game and had some good individual performances, the things I saw are obvious, onyewu and boca don't work together only play one of them and we need a true finishing forward upfront to compliment dempsey, a few strategy and personel changes and we are well on our way in my opinion, overall a pretty good and promising performances with some necassary changes showing.

[CrewDust]

Dude was awesome!:D

[Bigrose30]

I hope he got autographs after the game.

[El Naranja]

When will CONCACAF get rid of Archundia? He's had one horrible game after another...send him to the USL2 to learn to ref or somethin...

[FirstStar]

Instant Karma gets everyone, eventually. I'm glad he evened out with us on a meaningless friendly-- I think we are far ahead with his non-call in the Canada match in the Gold Cup.

Beyond that, the dude needs to be let loose. This happens far too much when he refs and he allowed WAY too much rough play in a friendly. We'll never get good teams here to play us if we run jokes for referees like that one out there and players start to get hurt.

[nicamex1935]

When will CONCACAF get rid of Archundia? He's had one horrible game after another...send him to the USL2 to learn to ref or somethin...

Yea man, he was lousy but Wynalda was annoying as hell.:mad: He's like "I'm trying not to be partial but..." That's BS. He's as biased a commentator there is!! He pounds Archundia for missing that Pk he didn't call against Brasil with Wolff. But, on the replay we didn't even get a clear shot even though it was probably a PK. But what about the pk Onyewu had against Robinho? There Wynalda' like "Oh you can't really tell from that angle if he hit him or not" and the replay was clearer than ever or at least more clear than the non-call against Wolff. Archundia did screw up again though awarding that free kick to Ronnie who scored. The point is some times calls go your way and sometimes they don't, i.e game against Canada the US lucked out on that one. Good game by both teams and it was just a friendly. The only thing I like about Archundia is he lets the players play so we can have a nice game and not one constantly stopped cuz of diving. Wynalda even said he liked that about the ref but the next minute he bashes him. Get OUT Wynalda cuz you're just too damn biased.!!

[Ombak]

Wynalda even said he liked that about the ref but the next minute he bashes him. Get OUT Wynalda cuz you're just too damn biased.!!The color-guy will (and should probably always be) biased, there's nothing wrong with that when it's his country that's playing and he's doing the game for a national audience.

[nicamex1935]

The color-guy will (and should probably always be) biased, there's nothing wrong with that when it's his country that's playing and he's doing the game for a national audience.

I respect your opinion. I just disagree:) You gotta be more professional Wynalda or just stick to being a fan, not a commentator.

[El Naranja]

Favorite referee moment:

"My name is ronaldinho and I say I was fouled...give me a FK right outside the box"



"Ok"

[Ombak]

Favorite referee moment:

"My name is ronaldinho and I say I was fouled...give me a FK right outside the box"



"Ok"Except he was not calling a foul on Ronaldinho. My first impression, and I think it's confirmed by replays was that Ronaldinho, after losing the ball, complained that one fo his options making a run had been knocked down as he moved towards the box. Whether or not that was a foul is a different story.

[JaredSS07]

Yea man, he was lousy but Wynalda was annoying as hell.:mad: He's like "I'm trying not to be partial but..." That's BS. He's as biased a commentator there is!! He pounds Archundia for missing that Pk he didn't call against Brasil with Wolff. But, on the replay we didn't even get a clear shot even though it was probably a PK. But what about the pk Onyewu had against Robinho? There Wynalda' like "Oh you can't really tell from that angle if he hit him or not" and the replay was clearer than ever or at least more clear than the non-call against Wolff. Archundia did screw up again though awarding that free kick to Ronnie who scored. The point is some times calls go your way and sometimes they don't, i.e game against Canada the US lucked out on that one. Good game by both teams and it was just a friendly. The only thing I like about Archundia is he lets the players play so we can have a nice game and not one constantly stopped cuz of diving. Wynalda even said he liked that about the ref but the next minute he bashes him. Get OUT Wynalda cuz you're just too damn biased.!!

I was at the game, in Sam's Army and had a clear view of the Robinho flop and the non-call against Wolff. Robinho didn't get fouled and Wolff got hosed.

The ref allowed physical play sometimes, but then randomly would give fouls for nothing. It wasn't biased, just inconsistant. I think that it was much more physical the majority of time, which was completely in our favor. Brazil just wasn't ready for a midfield that battled for the ball and closed down hard.

[nicamex1935]

Except he was not calling a foul on Ronaldinho. My first impression, and I think it's confirmed by replays was that Ronaldinho, after losing the ball, complained that one fo his options making a run had been knocked down as he moved towards the box. Whether or not that was a foul is a different story.

It wasn't a foul, I got Tivo.:D Seriously, who was in charge of production for that game. Damn ESPN2 had a serious problem with the replays such as the one with Wolff and the foul right outside the area for Brasil that led to a goal. All I'm saying is that calls sometimes go your way and sometimes they don't. Archundia didn't call that clear pk against Robinho either. Also, there was a throw in they awarded to the US which should have clearly been for Brasil after it went off Feilhaber's foot. You all probably don't remember that but if that throw-in led to a goal it would have been different. Overall, Archundia F*cked up on big calls for both teams and the only bright side is he let he players play.

[mixtil36]

What I did see of the game was that the referee did not do a good job, but you are always going to have games where the calls go against you. I am pretty sure that the US has played other teams where the calls went toward the US side and not the opponent!

[El Naranja]

What I did see of the game was that the referee did not do a good job, but you are always going to have games where the calls go against you. I am pretty sure that the US has played other teams where the calls went toward the US side and not the opponent!

Dunno what you are talkin about......


















.....just don't ask the Canadians the same thing! :D :rolleyes:

[Chicago1871]

I'm all for letting two teams play and not breaking up a game with too many whistles, but you've got to do the job you're paid for and keep the players safe and playing within the laws of the game. Maybe 80% of the time Archundia let stuff go correctly. However, the remaining 20% of the time he needed to step up and do his job, because after a certain point both teams realized they could hit a little harder and grab a little more jersey and there would be no repercussions. The fact that it was a friendly, albeit a spirited one, means it is that much more important to keep things from getting out of hand.

Closing thoughts: Wolff was fouled, the PK should have been called. Robinho's dive was so god awful I still can't figure out how Archundia bought into it. The US wasn't likely going to win this match, but if the PK is called and converted it is 3-2 and it is quite possible that dive would have never occurred, though credit Ronaldhino for a beautiful shot. If by the 75th minute the US is still up 3-2, then there is a damn good chance they settle down a bit and win. More likely, they bunker and make a mistake and Brazil leaves Chicago after a very entertaining 3-3 match.

I'm not saying Archundia cost the US the game, but there is no doubt he affected the outcome with those two mistakes.

[JeffreyWyatt]

I could post this in just about every thread reviewing the game.

Anyone in the world vs Brazil + Ref = Brazil victory.

We got hosed, i was in the supporters section, Robinho definitely embellished things and wolff was yanked down. It wasn't as though wolff had the keeper to beat and felt it wiser to take the pk, he had a direct route to an open goal.... you don't dive in that situation

[nicamex1935]

I'm all for letting two teams play and not breaking up a game with too many whistles, but you've got to do the job you're paid for and keep the players safe and playing within the laws of the game. Maybe 80% of the time Archundia let stuff go correctly. However, the remaining 20% of the time he needed to step up and do his job, because after a certain point both teams realized they could hit a little harder and grab a little more jersey and there would be no repercussions. The fact that it was a friendly, albeit a spirited one, means it is that much more important to keep things from getting out of hand.

Closing thoughts: Wolff was fouled, the PK should have been called. Robinho's dive was so god awful I still can't figure out how Archundia bought into it. The US wasn't likely going to win this match, but if the PK is called and converted it is 3-2 and it is quite possible that dive would have never occurred, though credit Ronaldhino for a beautiful shot. If by the 75th minute the US is still up 3-2, then there is a damn good chance they settle down a bit and win. More likely, they bunker and make a mistake and Brazil leaves Chicago after a very entertaining 3-3 match.

I'm not saying Archundia cost the US the game, but there is no doubt he affected the outcome with those two mistakes.

You forgot to mention the pk he should have called against the US. Referees always change games. When we lost you in '02 world cup 2-0, there was a clear handball by John O'Brien in a corner where he punches the ball out like a goalie. A pk could have tied the game 1-1 and who knows what would have happened. My point is a referee was bad for both teams and you got screwed but it was a friendly and at least nothing bigger like I don't know, a gold cup semifinal or a wc match. BTW, who's to say a pk guarantees a goal? Would Donovan have made the PK? Would he have been allowed to take it? These woulda, coulda, shouldas, lead to nothing. Mexico lost to USA 2-0 in '02 period. USA lost to Brasil 4-2 period.

[HouseHead78]

Mexico lost to USA 2-0 in '02 period.

It happened more than just in '02 :)

[nicamex1935]

It happened more than just in '02 :)

Yea rub it in man...:(